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Cup-of-Ruin

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furthermore, if you spent half as much time reading the Torah as you did looking up quotes that could discredit and shed a bad light on Jews, you might know that God handed down laws requiring the Jew to love the strangers (Deut 10:19), not kill him or treat him as anything less than human.
"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill Me?" John 7:19
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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No, I said that under new World Noahide Laws they are to be beheaded, when they are put in place under the World Jewish leader the they will be enacted, at the moment it is acceptable under Jewish law for a Jew to kill a non-Jew.

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772.

Sanhedrin 57a. "When a Jew murders a gentile (Cuthean), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."

Yebamoth 98a. "All gentile children are animals."

Rosh Hashanah 17a. "Christians and others who reject the Talmud will go to Hell and be punished there for all generations."


Under Jewish law it is acceptable for Jews to kill non-Jews, or steal anything they have, according to the Talmud a non-Jew or a gentile is an animal and may be offered as a blood sacrifice to the god of the Jews.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html

Reference for anyone who want to check it.
 
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Graybeard

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contrary to what lil-rush believes, Christians are being taught in many churches to support the nation of Israel. There are some churches and many Christians that are involved with fulfilling prophesy regarding Israel. We as Christians are very much linked to Israel more that we may think.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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contrary to what lil-rush believes, Christians are being taught in many churches to support the nation of Israel. There are some churches and many Christians that are involved with fulfilling prophesy regarding Israel. We as Christians are very much linked to Israel more that we may think.
Christians are Israel, Israel are a people, not a geographical location. Even if we were to understand the old kingdom of Israel it was seperated from the land of Judah - Judea, to say that Israel is the same as land of Judea is utterly wrong.
 
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Graybeard

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I believe the Jewish Nation of Israel today are still Gods chosen people, I believe Israel is a time clock and a reference point for the end times.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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I believe the Jewish Nation of Israel today are still Gods chosen people, I believe Israel is a time clock and a reference point for the end times.
Well that is generally the concensus among church goers and the wider secular western world in general.
 
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lil-rush

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contrary to what lil-rush believes, Christians are being taught in many churches to support the nation of Israel.
I point out that one guy's beliefs are questionable, and this is to be construed as me saying all Christians don't support Jews?

Just so you know, my parents support the John Hagee ministry that helps send Jews back to Israel, tyvm. I am not an idiot. I know that some Christians are supportive of Jews.
 
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Jay14

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The Jews are expecting their Messiah, they have already had many, many false ones, they are always expecting their messiah to establish their worldly kingdom, many pretend christians are also awaiting the jewish messiah.

"Jesus answered, "My kingdom is - not of this world: if My kingdom was of this world My servants would fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence." John 18:36
I used to be jewish before I found christ and there belief is that the messiah has already come.Anyway seems very hateful.We should all respect eachother and try to nudge people towards christ and let Jesus handle the rest.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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This is probably one of the most misunderstood subjects in all of the Bible, so lets get some points straight; there are many anti-christs, there is not one Anti-Christ to come, there have always been anti-christs, look how John answers the question as to who is the anti-christ?

John 2:18-19

"Little children, it is the last time: and ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are MANY antichrists; whereby we know it is the last time. THEY went out from us, but THEY were not of us; for if THEY had been of us, THEY would of no doubt continued with us; But THEY went out, that THEY might be made manifest, that THEY were not all of us."

John says there were MANY antichrists in his day, and that they were amongst the early diciples by he says they were not of them. John goes on to explain who THEY exactly are; John 2:22

"Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS THE ANTICHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son, whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father, but he that acknowledge the Son hath the Father also."

John says that anyone who denies Jesus His Divine right as the only begotten Son of the living God, is an antichrist, clearly according to the Apostles if you are not a Christian you are an antichrist, in that day and in our day, it is the same, there are many antichrists; a muslim is an antichrist, a jew is an antichrist, an atheist, a hindu, a pagan - all are antichrists.

Now who was given to Jesus? Because the ones not given to Jesus by the Father were the antichrists in John day, they were with John and the Apostles and the first diciples, but 'they went out from us', John says. Jesus says "When I was with them in the world, I kept them in Thy name: Those tha Thou gavest Me I have kept them, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" John 17:12.

So Jesus saved all of the sheep that were given to Him of the Father and lost none, Jesus said He came 'only for the lost sheep of Israel' Mt. 15:24, after He had saved the remnant of Judah whom made up the Apostles, it was nessessary that the Gospel go first to Judah, then to the lost sheep of Israel whom were as Peter says scattered abroad and it was to them that the Gospel went after the Christ had risen. 'I will smite the shepard and the sheep shall be scattered.' Mk 14:27

So who are those that were not His sheep, who were there but went out antichrists and not believers like the true sheep? The answer is in John 10:24-27

"Then the Jews round about Him - 'How long dost Thou make us doubt? If Thou be the Christ then tell us plainly."

Jesus answered them "I told you, and ye believed Me not: the works I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. But ye believe Me not because ye are NOT OF MY SHEEP, as I have told you. My sheep hear Me and they follow Me, And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and neither shall any man pluck them from My hand. My Fathere which gave them unto Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand, I and My Father are ONE!"

Then the Jews took up stones to stone Him again."

It must have infuriated those Jews, as Jesus said they were not His sheep, but clearly Jesus knew exactly what He was talking about and these Jews were not His sheep, and yet we know that He saved all His sheep that were given to Him, and there were some there that were not His sheep, they were antichrists. These were the first antichrists in Jesus' day and there were many, just like today ther are many, many antichrists in the world.

 
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