Are our sins really just burned away?

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1 Corinthians 3
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


This loss is the loss of reward

Some teach that the hay, wood , and stubble is sin, and it is going to be burned away because we are saved. This is not true.

The truth is all the works, hey, wood, stubble, silver, gold ect... are good works, the hey wood and stubble are good works done for selfish gain, the silver, gold, precious jewels are good works for service to men and to God with no selfish motives at all.

The good works done for selfish gain will be burned away, but the works done for God we will receive a reward, just like Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount.

Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.



However our sins will be counted against us, unless we repent and forsake them
 
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Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
 
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Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
I love Romans. I don't know about our sins being burned away, only that they are forgiven and the Lord our God doesn't remember them. That's good enough for me.
 
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I love Romans. I don't know about our sins being burned away, only that they are forgiven and the Lord our God doesn't remember them. That's good enough for me.
Yes our past sins are forgiven when we are born again, and we are also empowered to overcome future temptation.

The false teaching some use 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 to promote is that we can continue in sin without any fear to judgment
 
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Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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1 Corinthians 3
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


This loss is the loss of reward

Some teach that the hay, wood , and stubble is sin, and it is going to be burned away because we are saved. This is not true.

The truth is all the works, hey, wood, stubble, silver, gold ect... are good works, the hey wood and stubble are good works done for selfish gain, the silver, gold, precious jewels are good works for service to men and to God with no selfish motives at all.

The good works done for selfish gain will be burned away, but the works done for God we will receive a reward, just like Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount.

Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.



However our sins will be counted against us, unless we repent and forsake them
I don't want to seem harsh but I believe you are just a little confused. First of all if the works were done for selfish gain then they weren't GOOD works to begin with. There is no way that we lose reward. You either get it or you don't. You don't get it then have it taken away. The works that abide after God's refining fire is what we shall be rewarded for. These are the works of the Spirit of God that he is leading us to do. Anything other, that we do, is our natural, carnal flesh & shall be burned away as the hay wood & stubble.

Sin is a totally different issue. Jesus' blood on the cross washes away our sins & his resurrection is the promise of our faith that he is truly our God & was the only sinless man to have ever lived & was the perfect sacrifice given by OUR FATHER
 

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Read through and much is revealed.

Romans 8


That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Yes our past sins are forgiven when we are born again, and we are also empowered to overcome future temptation.

The false teaching some use 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 to promote is that we can continue in sin without any fear to judgment
In Romans 7 Paul laments that "I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good." So Paul should have had fear of judgement?
 
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Greekchristian if you call Paul a sinner can you also show us the sin he did commit? Paul also said... That he has made himself an ensample unto you to follow him... Are you up to Paul's standard? Do you even know Paul and what or who he was?

Paul aslo teach... I say this unto you that you SINNETH NOT... would that not be hypocratical of Paul if he sin himself? Does God send out hypocrats or holy men to preach in HIS NAME?

Did you read Romans1? Paul says there in Roman's 1 that he recieved obedience to the Faith... what does that mean for you? Can a person recieve from God obedience to the faith and still sin? Ask yourself and share your answer with SCRIPTURE...

God said, Paul walked and lived as HIS VESSEL, an apostle... Do you know what the charactor identities for an apostle is? Do you know that apostles are GOD-APPOINTED to perfect a saint? Eph 4:11. How can a sinner perfect a nonsinner? A saint is already a person that stopped sinning... Look up the greek word HAGIOS... And those SAINTS needs to be perfected by apostles, prophets, pastors and evangelists... God's appointed office bearers... Not these play actors we know as pastors/ministers/priests... God appointed holy men! Filled with the Holy Spirit... Like Paul...

If you look at how Paul would re-act if you consider him a sinner.. read... Roman3:7.... Why do you judge Paul as sinner? He does not appriciate it...
 
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Originally Posted by sinless
Yes our past sins are forgiven when we are born again, and we are also empowered to overcome future temptation.

The false teaching some use 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 to promote is that we can continue in sin without any fear to judgment[
In Romans 7 Paul laments that "I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good." So Paul should have had fear of judgement?
Paul is referring to the human state when walking in the flesh, that is why the condition of no condemnation to those in Christ in Romans 8:1 is that we walk in the Spirit not in our flesh.

Short answer, yes if Paul was walking ing the flesh and continuing to sin the yes he should fear judgment, and he explains himself in Romans 8

Romans 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law God nor can it be.
8 So they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 

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What about we shall all stand before God and we all will have to give account of the things we did in our bodies rather good or bad and all our works shall be tried with Fire
 
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What about we shall all stand before God and we all will have to give account of the things we did in our bodies rather good or bad and all our works shall be tried with Fire
Yes we shall, and it goes on to say ''knowing therefore the terror of the Lord we persuade men''

I would say that is sin only caused a lose of reward there would be no terror o, nor need to be persuaded.

2 Corinthians 5
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men
 

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Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
that's every born from above christian...not some special elite class you think you're in.
when guys like you show up going on about how sinless they are, i know i'm lookin at a real bad sinner right there.
uh-huh.
 
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that's every born from above christian...not some special elite class you think you're in.
when guys like you show up going on about how sinless they are, i know i'm lookin at a real bad sinner right there.
uh-huh.
I would agree EVERY true born again Christian has been empowered by Holy Spirit to fulfill the righteousness of the law.
 
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Yes our past sins are forgiven when we are born again, and we are also empowered to overcome future temptation.
here we go again, with only our past sins atoned for...

The false teaching some use 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 to promote is that we can continue in sin without any fear to judgment
so...we will be judged for sins committed after salvation?
the Cross of Christ wasn't quite enough for them?
 

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Yes we shall, and it goes on to say ''knowing therefore the terror of the Lord we persuade men''

I would say that is sin only caused a lose of reward there would be no terror o, nor need to be persuaded.

2 Corinthians 5
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men
oh sigh.
why do you sinless perfectionism guys use out of context passages to terrifying born from above christians.

why didn't you post the whole passage?

Paul is saying SINCE WE WHO KNOW GOD KNOW ABOUT THE FEAR OF GOD....we seek to persuade UNBELIEVERS (not through terror), but PERSUASION to be saved.

its saying ministesr seek to persuade unbelievers to be saved.

wanna argue it?
go ahead....imma take a nap.

give it your best perfectionist-comes-to-shake-the-faith-of-believers shot.

k....thx.
ttyl
 

zone

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here we go again, with only our past sins atoned for...



so...we will be judged for sins committed after salvation?
the Cross of Christ wasn't quite enough for them?


the Gapper Gang,
Quite the crowd,
Busiest little cult around.

the Gapper Gang,
They're so pure,
Gotta boast 'bout it to be sure.


©freezone
 
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If the man says that he is sinless than let him be such. At the end of the day both the sinning man and the sinless man will end in the grave. How about working to get the 3 million people here in America that's homeless one of the 18 MILLION homes that are empty here? Who allows this travesty, the devil or us?
 
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oh sigh.
why do you sinless perfectionism guys use out of context passages to terrifying born from above christians.

why didn't you post the whole passage?

Paul is saying SINCE WE WHO KNOW GOD KNOW ABOUT THE FEAR OF GOD....we seek to persuade UNBELIEVERS (not through terror), but PERSUASION to be saved.

its saying ministesr seek to persuade unbelievers to be saved.

wanna argue it?
go ahead....imma take a nap.

give it your best perfectionist-comes-to-shake-the-faith-of-believers shot.

k....thx.
ttyl
Yes! :)

Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.

HELPS Word Studies:

3982
peíthō(the root of 4102 /pístis, "faith") – to persuade; (passive) be persuaded of what is trustworthy.

The Lord persuades the yielded believer to be confident in His preferred-will (Gal 5:10; 2 Tim 1:12). 3982 (peíthō) involves "obedience, but it is properly the result of (God's) persuasion"
 
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here we go again, with only our past sins atoned for...



so...we will be judged for sins committed after salvation?
the Cross of Christ wasn't quite enough for them?
Yes if we continue to sin after ''salvation'' we will receive a sinners reward.

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again I shall judge my people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


This is a straight forward, very harsh word. To those that have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus' death yet continue to willfully commit sin, they will receive the harshest judgment of all. The judgment coming against them will be worse than anyone who has never accepted Jesus at all.
 
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