Are The sons of GOD Angels or followers of GOD; hence HIS messengers; Christians?

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?Who are the sons of GOD in Genesis six


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lightbearer

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So are the Sons of GOD in Genesis 6 followers of GOD from the line of Seth or Fallen Angels?


Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The phrase Sons of GOD in the Hebrew is used five times in the Old Testament. One more time in Genesis six in verse two and the rest in Job.

Job 1:6; 2:1 38:7 speak of the Sons of GOD in relation to those who are of or in the same sphere as Satan. They present themselves to the LORD. And according to verse 38:7 it appears they all shouted for joy in the time the LORD is speaking (past tense). The use of "they all " might imply that they all do not then, in the time of Job. But they still present themselves to the LORD as chapter one relates as does Satan.

The LXX; which is a Greek translation of the Hebrew text, which was done a couple hundred years before Christ. Has verses 1:6 and 2:1 translated sons of GOD; yet has verse 38:7 translated all my Angels. Were these translators or GOD making a connection? Or is it just a bad translation?

I would be amiss if I did not share the verse in Job which couples Job to the class of men and a servant and not the Sons of God. Which if seen in context should be noted.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?(Job 1:8 KJV)

Also I think it worthy of a mention that Noah who is of the linage of Seth is called a man and not a Son of GOD in Genesis six.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
(Gen 6:9 KJV)






In regards to the Sons of GOD being those to whom are followers of GOD; the lineage of Seth. We have to go to the New Testament where those who are of GOD (Christians) are called the sons of GOD.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Phil 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So one can clearly see according to the New Testament; that if we are of GOD we are Sons of GOD.

Obviously the New Testament is using the phrase differently. So which is it in Genesis? Angels or Followers of GOD?
 
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We are all sons or daughters [angels] of God, in Job we all sang together and shouted for joy, then satan rebelled and drew a third of Gods children with him, Rev.12, Ezek.28, in Gen. 6 they came down and married woman instead of being born of woman and that was a unforgivable sin,you can read about that in the book on Jude, they will be back to form the one world Gov. God bless
 

Enoch987

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The bigger point is the offspring are the Nephilim who were later called Rephalim post Flood. Goliath plus his 4 brothers and King Og of Deuteronomy were Rephilim. Sons of God are benio Elohim in Hebrew (sons of the plural God). There has to be 3 or more for the plural Elohim. EL is God singular, there can be 1 or 2 in Hebrew for singular. It's all confusing. The LXX (Greek Septuagint) translates Deut. 32:8-9 as angels while the Catholic Bible translates this verse as son of God (New American Bible). The Masoretic text has sons of Israel instead of sons of God or angels. There are 70 son of Israel in Genesis 46. The Creeds speak of only one Son of God.
 
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OtherWay210

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The term "sons of God," refer to Angels the majority of the time, in the OT. There is no other meaning given in the OT . Its always angelic beings. It can be documented just by listing all the scriptures. And related subject matter .

Its only by nature of becoming a new creature in Christ, can one be said to be a son of God, that is language used in the NT.
But when fallen angels are the subject in the NT end time prophecy, you have the son of perdition, Satan, who came among the other angels in Job, a son of God, now sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. Revelation 17:11 ; Revelation 9:11 ; Rev 20 ; 2 Thess 2 ; etc .
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Nehemiah6

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So are the Sons of GOD in Genesis 6 followers of GOD from the line of Seth or Fallen Angels?
It is only in the New Testament that those who have been born again are called "sons of God" (John 1:12,13) or more broadly "children of God" through the New Birth. However in the Old Testament "sons of God" refers to angels, who are direct creations of God. So we are reading about fallen angels who cohabited with human women and produced giants, titans, and men of renown.

There is no credibility to calling those who had descended from the line of Seth as "sons of God", since there is no indication in Scripture that godly fathers always produce godly sons. Indeed, quite the reverse in many cases. So there cannot possibly be a "lineage" of those who were justified and righteous. This theory was postulated by people who cannot grasp the fact that angels (always masculine) can and do take human form and can function physiologically as humans. But these are called the "angels which kept not their first estate" and are connected with sexual sins in Jude.

LASCIVIOUSNESS -- DEFILING THE FLESH
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ...Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

THE ANGELS WHICH KEPT NOT THEIR FIRST ESTATE
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

FORNICATION AND GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


 

Shamah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 6:4, “The Nephilim (#H5303) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nephilim” is word #H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphil (nef-eel'), (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant., [from H5307], KJV: giant, Root(s): H5307 [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word of “H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl” H5307 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נָפַל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]naphal (naw-fal') v., to fall.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]{in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative), [a primitive root], KJV: be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for H6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down, See also: H6419 [/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sons” is word #H1121 - ben: son, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]בֵּן[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ben, Phonetic Spelling: (bane), Short Definition: sons[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim” is word #H430 - elohim: God, god, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱלֹהִים[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: elohim, Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem'), Short Definition: God[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Now some say that the “sons of Elohim” were humans, however why would it even be stated that the “sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them” Would it not say; sons of men came into daughters of men and bore children, and if that were so why would it even be mentioned? Also there is a clear difference between “of Elohim” and “of men”;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]daughters of “men” is word #H120 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אָדָם [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'adam (aw-dawm') n-m., ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)., [from H119], KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person, Root(s): H119[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 1:6-7, “And the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and Satan also came among them. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 6:1-7, “And it came to be, when men began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men, that they were good. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be one hundred and twenty years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said, “I am going to wipe off man whom I have created from the face of the ground, both man and beast, creeping creature and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 6:9-13, “This is the genealogy of Noaḥ. Noaḥ was a righteous man, perfect in his generations. Noaḥ walked with Elohim. And Noaḥ brought forth three sons: Shĕm, Ḥam, and Yapheth. And the earth was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. And Elohim looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt – for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth and Elohim said to Noaḥ, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. And see, I am going to destroy them from the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 13:28-29, “But the people who dwell in the land are strong, and the cities are walled, very great. And we saw the descendants of Anaq there too. The Amalĕqites dwell in the land of the South, while the Ḥittites and the Yeḇusites and the Amorites dwell in the mountains. And the Kena‛anites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Yardĕn.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 13:32-33, “And they gave the children of Yisra’yl a disturbing report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land eating up its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. And we saw there the Nephilim, (#H5303) sons of Anaq, (#H6061) of the Nephilim (#H5303). And we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and so we were in their eyes.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5303 - Nephilim: "giants," name of two peoples, one before the flood and one after the flood, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִילִים[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: Nephilim, Phonetic Spelling: (nef-eel'), Short Definition: Nephilim[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]6061 - Anaq: "neck," a Canaanite, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עֲנָק[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine, Transliteration: Anaq, Phonetic Spelling: (aw-nawk'), Short Definition: Anak[/FONT]




“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nephilim” is word #H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphil (nef-eel'), (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant., [from H5307], KJV: giant, Root(s): H5307 [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word of “H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl” H5307 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נָפַל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]naphal (naw-fal') v., to fall.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]{in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative), [a primitive root], KJV: be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for H6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down, See also: H6419[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 28:13-19, “You were in Ĕḏen, the garden of the Most High. Every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, shoham, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald and gold. The workmanship of your settings and mountings was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed keruḇ that covered. And I placed you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Yah. You walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you. By the greatness of your trade you became filled with violence within, and you sinned. So I thrust you from the mountain of Yah, and I destroyed you, O covering keruḇ, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to the earth, I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you. You profaned your set-apart places by your many crookednesses, by the unrighteousness of your trading. Therefore I brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all who see you. All who knew you among the peoples were astonished at you. Waste you shall be, and cease to be, forever.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You were the anointed keruḇ that covered[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]keruḇ” is word #H3742 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]כְּרוּב [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]kruwb (ker-ooɓ') n-m., 1. a cherub. a created spiritual being having a various descriptions., 2. (apparently) a spiritual being created for a discrete purpose, thus differing from other cherubim in this manner., [of uncertain derivation], KJV: cherub, (plural) cherubims. [/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]unrighteousness” is word #H5766 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עֶוֶל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]`evel (eh'-vel) n-e., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עָוֶל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]`avel (aw'-vel) [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif](moral) evil., [from H5765], KJV: iniquity, perverseness, unjust(-ly), unrighteousness(-ly); wicked(-ness). , Root(s): H5765[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I threw you to the earth[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:7-9, “And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Miḵa’ĕl and his messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his messengers fought, but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for them in the heaven any longer. And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]We can clearly see YHWH threw satan out of the heavenly holy place and to earth. We can also see the word Nephilim comes from root word naphal and means to fall:[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nephilim” is word #H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphil (nef-eel'), (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant., [from H5307], KJV: giant, Root(s): H5307 [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word of “H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl” H5307 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נָפַל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]naphal (naw-fal') v., to fall.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If these nephilim are not fallen malakim/angels why are they called offspring of the “sons of Elohim” and the root word of nephilim is naphal or to fall?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 14:12-16, “How you have fallen from heaven, child of the light! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart; I will ascend above the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of YHWH. I will sit in the highest place on the holy mountain ofthe congregation. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High. Yet you will be brought down to Sheol; the grave, to the sides ofthe pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and they will talk about you, saying; Is this the one; the adversary, who shook the earth, and made kingdoms tremble?"[/FONT]
 

John146

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It is only in the New Testament that those who have been born again are called "sons of God" (John 1:12,13) or more broadly "children of God" through the New Birth. However in the Old Testament "sons of God" refers to angels, who are direct creations of God. So we are reading about fallen angels who cohabited with human women and produced giants, titans, and men of renown.

There is no credibility to calling those who had descended from the line of Seth as "sons of God", since there is no indication in Scripture that godly fathers always produce godly sons. Indeed, quite the reverse in many cases. So there cannot possibly be a "lineage" of those who were justified and righteous. This theory was postulated by people who cannot grasp the fact that angels (always masculine) can and do take human form and can function physiologically as humans. But these are called the "angels which kept not their first estate" and are connected with sexual sins in Jude.

LASCIVIOUSNESS -- DEFILING THE FLESH
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ...Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

THE ANGELS WHICH KEPT NOT THEIR FIRST ESTATE
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

FORNICATION AND GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


Sons of God are any beings created by God and was sinless in it's original state. Thus, the angels are sons of God. Adam was a son of God. We can be called sons of God through the new birth.

Luke 3 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
 

Shamah

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The word "sons" is not in the genealogies of Luke 3.

In the Greek it is "tou" of so and so. ""tou" being definite article.
So translating it "son" is incorrect.

Luke 3:38
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John146

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The word "sons" is not in the genealogies of Luke 3.

In the Greek it is "tou" of so and so. ""tou" being definite article.
So translating it "son" is incorrect.

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Was Seth the son of Adam? Then Adam was the son of God. I'm going with God's word on this one thank you.
 

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Was Seth the son of Adam? Then Adam was the son of God. I'm going with God's word on this one thank you.
Was Seth the son of Adam? Then Adam was the son of God. I'm going with God's word on this one thank you.
yes he was the son of adam but the word does not used the word "son" in this matter, it does not say "sons of God"

well no humans were alive when this hapopened:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sons of Elohim[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] shouted for joy?”

so
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sons[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] of God/Elohim in Gen 6 can very well be angels/demons.
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yes he was the son of adam but the word does not used the word "son" in this matter, it does not say "sons of God"

well no humans were alive when this hapopened:

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”

so
sons of God/Elohim in Gen 6 can very well be angels/demons.
Correct. Those are angels shouting for joy. They too are sons of God, sinless in the creation. Adam and many angels fell through sin. The only way man can be known as a son of God is through the new birth, being made a new creation in Christ.
 
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Adam gets the title " son of God " because its by Gods direct act of Creation . Adam was not born, neither was the angels, who have the title sons of God in the OT .
 

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Adam gets the title " son of God " because its by Gods direct act of Creation . Adam was not born, neither was the angels, who have the title sons of God in the OT .
I find this to be a reasoned definition...

The tern ""sons of God"" in the scriptures is as far as i know from reading the Bible. Talking about Angels..
 

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Originally Posted by lightbearer

So are the Sons of GOD in Genesis 6 followers of GOD from the line of Seth or Fallen Angels?
God creates things after kinds. Mankind is created after his image and likeness of two. The creation that can multiply.

Two kinds of angels/messengers . Those seen in brotherly love and those not seen as ministering spirits of truth .

Fallen angels as those not created as beast of the field formed from the dust. (DNA) They do not follow God , the criterion . Led by the Spirit.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Two kinds of messengers as Angels. Angels that have no DNA (flesh and blood) and therefore not subject to the gospel. They have no way to multiple. No command to be fruitful and multiple, no tools to make it possible .And messengers a person can sit down with and share the gospel with.

God was protecting the spiritual seed Christ up until the birth of the Son of man shown by the genealogy in Mathew 1 as the end thereof and did not want men to be unevenly yoked .The seed (Christ )was passed down to Seth.

Let brotherly love continue.Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Heb 13:1

Angel that have no form are not considered brothers and sisters.
 

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The sons (and daughters) of God are humans. Today they are called Christians, but back then they were Israelites. “Outlandish men and women” means just that- they lived outside the lands where God’s people lived, they descended from Cain. When the children of the Lord yoke together with the children of Satan- that creates a BIG problem, in this case, literally.
 
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for those who think angels can take on human flesh and sire offspring on human women, what keeps fallen angels from doing that in the present age?

generational curses are a lie. maybe like the Old covenant they were once true. however God has told us men die and live by their own choices not their fathers.

IF (big if) angels made babies with women, those children are condemned?

any doctrine that condemns children is NOT of God.
 
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angel means "messenger of God" all prophets where "angels"

folks don't have a biblical understanding of an angel. the heavenly host is not made of humans with wings like Hollywood portrays. read Ezekiel.
 

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for those who think angels can take on human flesh and sire offspring on human women, what keeps fallen angels from doing that in the present age?
The ones that decided to do it are now locked away in the pit... So the angels that are left probably do not want to do it.. Or have observed the fate of the angels who did do it and have decided not to go down that path..


IF (big if) angels made babies with women, those children are condemned?
No necessarily... Nothing in the Bible states that they where Auto condemned.. They where wiped out by the flood and again when the Hebrews entered into the promised land and killed the giants..
 

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Ezekiel 1
the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.
2 On the fifth of the month—it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin—
3 the word of the LORD came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians. There the hand of the LORD was on him.
4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,
5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human,
6 but each of them had four faces and four wings.



7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze.
8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings,
9and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.
10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.
11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body.



12Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went.
13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it.
14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.
15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces.



16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went.
18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.
20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.



22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome.
23 Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body.
24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.
25 Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings.
26Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.
27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him.
28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD
 

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angel means "messenger of God" all prophets where "angels"
I disagree.. Angels where all created beings who are eternal... Prophets are human beings who die... two totally different types of beings..