Are the Ten Commandments still valid today?

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What is your opinion as to whether some or all of the Ten Commandments apply to us today? Using only the spoken words of Jesus can you support your position?
Exodus 20 (King James Version)


1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[#1]3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[#2]4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[#3]7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[#4]8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
[#5]12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[#6]13Thou shalt not kill.
[#7]14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[#8]15Thou shalt not steal.
[#9]16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[#10]17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die. 20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
 
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yeah it is still valid
 
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lil-rush

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Not only are the Ten commandments still valid, but the other 603 commandments in the Torah are as well.

Matthew 5:17-20
 
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lil-rush said:
Not only are the Ten commandments still valid, but the other 603 commandments in the Torah are as well.

Matthew 5:17-20
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1 Timothy 1 (Complete Jewish Bible)
5 The purpose of this order is to promote love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and from sincere trust.
6 Some, by aiming amiss, have wandered off into fruitless discussion.
7 They want to be teachers of Torah, but they understand neither their own words nor the matters about which they make such emphatic pronouncements.
8 We know that the Torah is good, provided one uses it in the way the Torah itself intends.
9 We are aware that Torah is not for a person who is righteous, but for those who are heedless of Torah and rebellious, ungodly and sinful, wicked and worldly, for people who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
10 the sexually immoral - both heterosexual and homosexual - slave dealers, liars, perjurers, and anyone who acts contrary to the sound teaching
11 that accords with the Good News of the glorious and blessed God. This Good News was entrusted to me;
12 and I thank the one who has given me strength, the Messiah Yeshua, our Lord, that he considered me trustworthy enough to put me in his service,
13 even though I used to be a man who blasphemed and persecuted and was arrogant! But I received mercy because I had acted in unbelief, not understanding what I was doing.
14 Our Lord's grace overflowed to me with trust and love that come through the Messiah Yeshua.
15 So here is a statement you can trust, one that fully deserves to be accepted: the Messiah came into the world to save sinners, and I'm the number one sinner!
16 But this is precisely why I received mercy - so that in me, as the number one sinner, Yeshua the Messiah might demonstrate how very patient he is, as an example to those who would later come to trust in him and thereby have eternal life.
17 So to the King - eternal, imperishable and invisible, the only God there is - let there be honor and glory for ever and ever! Amen.

Matthew 9 (New King James Version)
9 As Jesus passed on from there, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, “Follow Me.” So he arose and followed Him.
10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples.
11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
 
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So Paul is more important than Jesus?
 
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lil-rush said:
So Paul is more important than Jesus?
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I'm not sure what you are referring to but I am guessing there is some misunderstanding. To answer your question. No... Paul was not more important than Jesus. I am not sure what that has to do with anything seeing as we all believe the bible is fully inspired by God. Meaning Paul was not the author but the writer and God is the author?
 
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What is your opinion as to whether some or all of the Ten Commandments apply to us today? Using only the spoken words of Jesus can you support your position?

Can the discussion be limited to the Ten Commandments and Jesus' teachings before it gets too far off track?
 
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I don't see why they wouldnt still be applicable today.
 
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MATTHEW 5:17-20 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

LUKE 16:17 - "It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law."

We do not/are not to attain right standing with God by our attempt at obedience to the law, but it is how we respond to the Grace and Mercy already given us....................."Those who love me will OBEY MY COMMANDS."

God bless, everyone.
 
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jjkg said:
We do not/are not to attain right standing with God by our attempt at obedience to the law, but it is how we respond to the Grace and Mercy already given us....................."Those who love me will OBEY MY COMMANDS."

God bless, everyone.
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Well put...and you understood the point I was trying to make, thank you.
 
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lil-rush said:
Not only are the Ten commandments still valid, but the other 603 commandments in the Torah are as well.

Matthew 5:17-20
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I have read some of the dialog that you have had with others on this but I would like to ask you something. If you were able to keep all of these commandments without fail until your very last breath on earth, what would it profit you? If you were able to keep these commandments would you do it in the energy of your own flesh or would you depend upon the grace of God to give you the strength and ability to keep them? Secondly, if you failed to keep the law or offend the law in any point, wouldn't you be breaking the whole law? If you brake the law wouldn't you be considered a transgressor of the law? If you are a transgressor of the law how do you atone for your transgression?
 
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shad said:
I have read some of the dialog that you have had with others on this but I would like to ask you something. If you were able to keep all of these commandments without fail until your very last breath on earth, what would it profit you?
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I do not keep the commandments for my profit. I respect no reward for keeping the commandments. Not since I was about 13 have I expected any reward from God for the way I live. That is not why I serve God.

I serve God, and I keep him commandments because it is a way to express my love for Him. I keep the commandments out of obedience, love, and respect. I do what God asks of me so that I might grow closer to Him.

So, I suppose technically I do profit something from keeping the commandments. I garner in a deeper and better relationship with my Lord and King. :)

If you were able to keep these commandments would you do it in the energy of your own flesh or would you depend upon the grace of God to give you the strength and ability to keep them?
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While I do keep some of the commandments out of habit since they are simply so easy to follow, all-in-all without God I would never be able to keep all His commandments. It is only by the grace of God that I can keep His commandments.

Secondly, if you failed to keep the law or offend the law in any point, wouldn't you be breaking the whole law? If you brake the law wouldn't you be considered a transgressor of the law? If you are a transgressor of the law how do you atone for your transgression?
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Grace and repentance.
 
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lil-rush said:
Not only are the Ten commandments still valid, but the other 603 commandments in the Torah are as well.

Matthew 5:17-20
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this is wrong in the new covenet, we dont obey the old.... is you want be to back that up ill find you the verses
 
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lil-rush said:
I do not keep the commandments for my profit. I respect no reward for keeping the commandments. Not since I was about 13 have I expected any reward from God for the way I live. That is not why I serve God.

I serve God, and I keep him commandments because it is a way to express my love for Him. I keep the commandments out of obedience, love, and respect. I do what God asks of me so that I might grow closer to Him.

So, I suppose technically I do profit something from keeping the commandments. I garner in a deeper and better relationship with my Lord and King. :)


While I do keep some of the commandments out of habit since they are simply so easy to follow, all-in-all without God I would never be able to keep all His commandments. It is only by the grace of God that I can keep His commandments.
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Lil-rush, I understand where you are coming from; about the other 603 commandments still being valid. Valid: meaning that they are all Words of God and you choose to incorporate as many as possible into your life as a way to express your love, respect, and devotion towards God. I think that's really cool.:)
 
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this is wrong in the new covenet, we dont obey the old.... is you want be to back that up ill find you the verses
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lets me corect my self HAVE to but the new is still somewhat like some of the old
 
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lil-rush said:
So Paul is more important than Jesus?
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I'm not sure what you are referring to but I am guessing there is some misunderstanding. To answer your question. No... Paul was not more important than Jesus. I am not sure what that has to do with anything seeing as we all believe the bible is fully inspired by God. Meaning Paul was not the author but the writer and God is the author?
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Exactly!!!!!!!
 
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Irish76 said:
What is your opinion as to whether some or all of the Ten Commandments apply to us today? Using only the spoken words of Jesus can you support your position?

Can the discussion be limited to the Ten Commandments and Jesus' teachings before it gets too far off track?
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This is my take to thos ethat would say no.... which of the 10 commandment should we break?
 
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Actually Jesus taught that the two greatest commandments weren't even the 10 commandments.
 
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