Are we arians?

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trofimus said:
1. Do you believe that the Father is greater than the Son?

2. Do you believe that the Father did not suffer?

3. Dont you care about terms like "substance", ousia and similar?

Then, you are a homoian arian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arian_creeds#The_Second_Sirmian_Creed
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The Father has authority over the Son so yes, it does appear that He is greater. The Father has suffered greatly by the sins of the world. Not too sure about what you mean by reference 3.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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when you wonder why someone goes out of their way to post obscure, yet loaded, op's
 
trofimus

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7seasrekeyed said:


when you wonder why someone goes out of their way to post obscure, yet loaded, op's
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If you are lazy to click on the link which defines all the terms used in my OP, then you should not post useless memes and comments.
 
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trofimus said:
If you are lazy to click on the link which defines all the terms used in my OP, then you should not post useless memes and comments.
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oh dude you are funny

it is BECAUSE I checked out your link that I posted the meme

can't make this stuff up :giggle:
 
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presidente

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Well, I've probably got some Germanic blood in me.
 
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presidente

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In what ways is this creed clearly against the Nicene Creed? It does not wish preaching/teaching to address the issue of substance. It says the Father is greater in glory? Some adherents to the Nicene Creed would say they believed the existence of the Son and Spirit are dependent on the Father from Whom they proceed. Co-equality of the Father, Son, and Spirit is a western, pseudo-Athanasian idea isn't it?
 
Hevosmies

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When was this creed that you linked written?

1. Yes in how they operate. Jesus always gives all glory to His Father and hands Him the kingdom so God may be all in all it says in 1Corinthians

2. Yes. Jesus died on the cross, not God the Father

3. Yes not a fan of those complicated words.

I still wouldnt say im arian.

Reasons for tthat is because the Bible says that Jesus gives Father the kingdom so that "God may be all in all" and Jesus is on the Father's right side, and Jesus said "my Father is greater than I"

I believe Jesus can still be God, and not a separate renegade deity. But I cant ignore the scriptures either, no matter what the creeds say.

Im willing to be corrected on this if im wrong though, never really gave these questions you asked any thought to be honest.
 
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presidente

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Arian was used widely to refer to those who disagreed with nuances of the Nicene Creed or related doctrines that were considered orthodox. Ulfius was labeled an Arian though He believed Christ was the divine word. He held to a creed that did not lay out as much detail regarding the Holy Spirit as some of the other creeds.
 
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these days.........according to the liberals and our Government........you can be whatever/whoever you wish to be........sooooooo
 
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