Are We Pawns of God and Satan?

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newton3003

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From what the Bible says, God has a split personality as far as His dealings with Satan goes. In Genesis 3, God sentences Satan, in the form of the serpent, to be stepped on his head by man. In Genesis 3:15 He says to the serpent, “…[man] shall bruise your head.” We don’t know what the serpent’s response was, because the Bible doesn’t say. It appears then, that God had the last word there.

But then we go to the Book of Job, and we see God chatting amiably with Satan. He asks Satan, ‘Where have you been?’ and Satan answers, ‘Oh, I’ve been to and fro, up and about.’ God then says to Satan, very amiably, ‘Have you considered Job, an upright person?’ Here they are, God and Satan, chatting like old friends. In one instance, God commissions man to tramp on Satan’s head, and here, it’s like God has a split personality…hostile one minute, friendly the next.

But then God and Satan get down to business. Satan says to God, ‘Let me have Job, and we’ll see if he is still devoted to you after I’m done with him.’ God essentially says to Satan, ‘Be my guest.’ Some would almost have expected God and Satan to make a wager of, say, a dollar like in the movie “Trading Places!” But alas, it is just a gentlemen’s bet.

And Satan proceeds by taking Job’s wealth and family away from him and inflicting him with disease that makes him suffer. Yet in all his suffering, Job did not renounce his devotion to God. He does question why God is putting him through all this, and his friends come along to offer him encouragement, saying in effect, ‘Why do you continue to believe in God when He has allowed these terrible things to happen to you?’ In Job 5:8-9 Job responds to one of his friends,

“As for me, I would seek God,
and to God would I commit my cause,
who adoes great things and bunsearchable,
marvelous things without number…”

And this is basically Job’s position throughout his ordeal. His faith in God. and his trust in God to do the right thing never waivers, and God rewards him for his efforts.

Now Job came along after God had given the Law to the Hebrews, but the Bible recognizes that not everyone is as stalwart as Job. For this reason, the Bible encourages us to help eachother in resisting Satan’s temptations, in the spirit of Jesus. 1 Corinthians 7:5 says, “Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” It stems from the second commandment of Jesus which is to love eachother as we do ourselves.

It was evident that with friends like Job’s who needs enemies, and one would be hard-pressed to find the love that such friends of Job had for him. They were of no help to him. Problem is, how many can go it alone against Satan like Job did, counting on only themselves? We are socially oriented, so most of us regard ourselves in terms of how others see us. So, we team up, though, as 1 Corinthians 7:5 infers, prayer is generally an individual effort. Other parts of the Bible confirm this by saying we are to engage in prayer silently, behind closed doors.

Considering all the suffering endured by many people throughout the world, one must wonder if God made other wagers with Satan, testing other people’s devotion to Him, and if God’s testing us is a means to impress Satan. The Bible tells of God’s love for us, but at times it seems we are just pawns.
 

trofimus

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Aug 17, 2015
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1. Gen 3:15 is not "about a man", but about Christ, the seed of a woman.

2. Satan is not God's equal.

3. You must read bible stories with some discretion, they are written in the ancient style of people. Its not a reportage. Its a simple, child-like view on the story to illustrate much complex and deeper spiritual realities.

4. Physical suffering does not equal satan and vice versa.
 

Yahshua

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Sep 22, 2013
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If I may, you're reading scripture from an incorrect paradigm. Yah is not a man and not a lowly man. He is the living God, the Most High, deity, and a Royal King who must always operate within the rules/bounds of his government.

Think of the pomp and circumstance of the british royal family but times infinity.

He doesn't behave like men do so he's not like anthropomorphic sitting on a cloud making bets with satan like one imagines Zeus and Hades doing in Greek mythology.

Yah is king so his word is unbreakable law:

Yah gave authority of earth to Adam as his representative. Unbreakable...

Yah said Adam would die if he disobeyed. Unbreakable...

All seeds of mankind were in Adam before curse...

Adam obeyed satan (through Eve) disobeying Yah and sentencing himself to death...

All mankind is infected with death...

Satan controls Adam's seed through fear of death and lust of the flesh...

Satan gains authority over the earth by proxy because he controls mankind through this rule of sin & death; sin & death, over and over...

Yah couldn't wrestle away authority of earth from satan because man has it...but Satan controls man...and Yah cant break his word. He is a just king who operates within his government and doesn't lie. But he still had/has authority over Satan.

As long as mankind kept obeying their fear of death and lust they kept sinning, proving Satan's legal case against them, while still controlling the earth.

...so authority of earth had to be taken back legally through a man who would be perfectly obedient to Yah...a man who wouldn't let the fear of death or pleasures of the flesh allow Satan to control him, crushing the head/authority of Satan for good.

The story of Job - as well as the rest of the OT - plays out between the time of mankind's fall and the promised seed of man (christ) arriving, when all the works of the devil (sickness, death, pain, erc.) still reigned over mankind in a fallen kingdom. So Yah had to operate within that kingdom in the mean time, because he is just.
 
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pjharrison

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From what the Bible says, God has a split personality as far as His dealings with Satan goes. In Genesis 3, God sentences Satan, in the form of the serpent, to be stepped on his head by man. In Genesis 3:15 He says to the serpent, “…[man] shall bruise your head.” We don’t know what the serpent’s response was, because the Bible doesn’t say. It appears then, that God had the last word there.

But then we go to the Book of Job, and we see God chatting amiably with Satan. He asks Satan, ‘Where have you been?’ and Satan answers, ‘Oh, I’ve been to and fro, up and about.’ God then says to Satan, very amiably, ‘Have you considered Job, an upright person?’ Here they are, God and Satan, chatting like old friends. In one instance, God commissions man to tramp on Satan’s head, and here, it’s like God has a split personality…hostile one minute, friendly the next.

But then God and Satan get down to business. Satan says to God, ‘Let me have Job, and we’ll see if he is still devoted to you after I’m done with him.’ God essentially says to Satan, ‘Be my guest.’ Some would almost have expected God and Satan to make a wager of, say, a dollar like in the movie “Trading Places!” But alas, it is just a gentlemen’s bet.

And Satan proceeds by taking Job’s wealth and family away from him and inflicting him with disease that makes him suffer. Yet in all his suffering, Job did not renounce his devotion to God. He does question why God is putting him through all this, and his friends come along to offer him encouragement, saying in effect, ‘Why do you continue to believe in God when He has allowed these terrible things to happen to you?’ In Job 5:8-9 Job responds to one of his friends,

“As for me, I would seek God,
and to God would I commit my cause,
who adoes great things and bunsearchable,
marvelous things without number…”

And this is basically Job’s position throughout his ordeal. His faith in God. and his trust in God to do the right thing never waivers, and God rewards him for his efforts.

Now Job came along after God had given the Law to the Hebrews, but the Bible recognizes that not everyone is as stalwart as Job. For this reason, the Bible encourages us to help eachother in resisting Satan’s temptations, in the spirit of Jesus. 1 Corinthians 7:5 says, “Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” It stems from the second commandment of Jesus which is to love eachother as we do ourselves.

It was evident that with friends like Job’s who needs enemies, and one would be hard-pressed to find the love that such friends of Job had for him. They were of no help to him. Problem is, how many can go it alone against Satan like Job did, counting on only themselves? We are socially oriented, so most of us regard ourselves in terms of how others see us. So, we team up, though, as 1 Corinthians 7:5 infers, prayer is generally an individual effort. Other parts of the Bible confirm this by saying we are to engage in prayer silently, behind closed doors.

Considering all the suffering endured by many people throughout the world, one must wonder if God made other wagers with Satan, testing other people’s devotion to Him, and if God’s testing us is a means to impress Satan. The Bible tells of God’s love for us, but at times it seems we are just pawns.
I believe that God want children, who are able to love him. So he equipped us with a soul, which holds the emotions. The soul governs the flesh. Adam began living by his human spirit, which is how man communicate with God. When Adam sinned, the spirit went down and the soul came up, that's why they then knew they were naked, because the soul governs the flesh. Living by the soul makes us very vulnerable for the demonic influences. So when we are born again and start living by the spirit, the soul keeps trying to rule, so we are put through so many trials and suffering in order to bring the soul which is then following the spirit back into the knowledge of God. Being taken from glory to glory.
 
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pjharrison

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So were not pawns. We're here for a reason. To become children of God.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Jun 17, 2018
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So were not pawns. We're here for a reason. To become children of God.
I think we are always children of God because God created us in the beginning. And I think we're here to remember that and find our way home. :)