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T= Total depravity, which means no one can receive Jesus as Savior unless He saves us first. (Because of our total depravity of course)
U= Unconditional elect, another phrase for double predestination, the teaching that God chose some for Heaven and others to damn to Hell. Those He ''elected'' to save have no choice, and those He chose for Hell have no chance.
L= Limited atonement. This teaching says Jesus died for the ''elect only (those chosen to be saved and go to Heaven), not everyone.
I= Irresistible grace. This teaching tells us that whebn the Holy Spirit draws us, we cannot refuse Him.
P= Perseverance of the saints, which is basically OSAS (once saved always saved)
This is the core teachings of Calvinism and is completely false. All 5 point are gross errors, and is a large part of mainstream American denominationalism
U= Unconditional elect, another phrase for double predestination, the teaching that God chose some for Heaven and others to damn to Hell. Those He ''elected'' to save have no choice, and those He chose for Hell have no chance.
L= Limited atonement. This teaching says Jesus died for the ''elect only (those chosen to be saved and go to Heaven), not everyone.
I= Irresistible grace. This teaching tells us that whebn the Holy Spirit draws us, we cannot refuse Him.
P= Perseverance of the saints, which is basically OSAS (once saved always saved)
This is the core teachings of Calvinism and is completely false. All 5 point are gross errors, and is a large part of mainstream American denominationalism
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Doesn't sound quite right to me. Jesus certainly has cleared the way for us via the cross, I wouldn't say that was exactly a personal and individual saving.
Nope.
related to the above.
eh, does remind of of Saul being confronted.
I dont believe in OSAS, I believe in OSARepent
I have no real issue with "I" but the rest, no.
Nope.
related to the above.
eh, does remind of of Saul being confronted.
I dont believe in OSAS, I believe in OSARepent
I have no real issue with "I" but the rest, no.
Naphal, 4runner has told you what he is against.
here are some things he is FOR:
The Faulty Foundation of the Five-Fold Ministry
by Robert Bowman
It has recently become popular to speak of "the five-fold ministry," a system of church government with apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. The neo-Pentecostal "Restoration" movement and its offshoot, "kingdom now" teaching, claims that one of the things which God is "restoring" to the church is this five-fold ministry. The sole prooftext used to support this concept is Ephesians 4:11-13
more: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f09.html
WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS, and where it is leading is another thing 4runner is FOR:
The New Apostolic Reformation
A Warning About Latter Day Apostles
by Dr. Orrel Steinkamp
In this paper we discuss New Testament Apostles today from the viewpoint that there is no biblical authority that supports the end time restoration of the office of apostle: therefore, there are no New Testament Apostles today.
Wayne Grudem, a sometimes promoter of current prophetic utterances is absolutely convinced that there are no NT apostles today. He states: “Since no one today can meet the qualifications of having seen the risen Jesus with his own eyes, there are no apostles today. In the place of living apostles present in the church to teach and govern it, we have instead the writings of the apostles in the books of the NT. Those NT scriptures fulfill, for the church today, the absolutely authoritative teaching and governing functions which were fulfilled by the apostles themselves during the early years of the church.” (Grudem, The Gift of Prophecy in the NT today, p. 276).
Background
One of the central new teachings of the Latter Rain Movement of the 1940’s and 50’s was the so-called restoration of Apostles and Prophets to the overcoming Endtime Church. This restoration teaching percolated on the back burners of the Charismatic Renewal for years, but it was never promoted heavily and no one attempted to systematically implement it on a worldwide scale. Into this vacuum has stepped C. Peter Wagner as a central personality. Wagner has given organizational and promotional impetus to this so-called restoration and has taken bold steps to implement apostolic restoration to a wider Global Church--as a result he is positioned to have a greater influence than many other promoters of apostolic restoration.
Beginning with his association with John Wimber, Wagner moved quickly into charismatic Christianity. He has systematized certain charismatic spiritual warfare practices and developed his strategic warfare mentality etc. He also promoted what he called the “Third Wave.” In this “Third Wave” he saw generic evangelicals getting involved with signs and wonders without adopting traditional Pentecostal Theology. He has a broad Evangelical pedigree and has notoriety as a former missiologist at Fuller seminary. He is the recognized heir and successor to Donald McGavern, the founding father of all church growth teaching. In addition to being a co-founder of the World Prayer Center in Colorado Springs, he is the founding president of Global Harvest Ministries, which is responsible for the “United Prayer Track” of AD2000 and Beyond” as well as many other missions related activities outside the AD2000 organization. The Billy Graham Lausan conference adopted Wagner’s missions/evangelism agenda. And he is now in association with many holdovers from the Latter Rain of the 50’s who got a new lease on life in the Charismatic Renewal. Bishop (also prophet and apostle) Bill Hamon is a significant name in this regard...
more: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue66b.htm
ONE OF THESE FANATICAL HERETICS is 4runner's favorite author, a man he upholds as a godly representative of WHAT THE CHURCH SHOULD BE: LOU ENGLE:
....Dr. John Benefiel is no small potatoes. He heads up the Oklahoma Apostolic Prayer Network (OAPN) and the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network (HAPN), both of which are directly connected to the NAR, complete with their own downline networks. The agenda of the HAPN is spelled out as working on building the 7 mountains for Dominionism.[2] Benefiel is a leader in a number of exclusive national and international apostolic networks, including the Eagles Vision Apostolic Team (EVAT), which includes C. Peter Wagner, Lance Wallnau (of 7 mountains fame), Chuck Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, Bill Hamon, Dutch Sheets, Ed Silvoso, Che' Ahn, and others, some of whom show up at key endorsers for The Response prayer rally.[3]
According to a report posted at Georgia's Kairos Transformation Network website, "Reformation Day Strategic Prayer Initiative: Dismantling the Power Grid," God supposedly "exposed the spirit of Baal as one of the strongmen--perhaps the strongman - over America" on January 4-7, 2007, at Chuck Pierce's ‘Starting the Year off Right Conference’"[4] held in Denton, Texas.[5] This "Divorcing Baal" agenda was said to be launched at a 07/07/07 meeting of Lou Engle's TheCall, (see quotation above and also heading the previous Herescope post). Since that time, the report says, "John Benefiel [and] Jay Swallow... are helping the states 'divorce Baal' state to state... and this is what Chuck Pierce said had to be done now." This activity has been going on state-by-state.
Lou Engle of TheCall and IHOP (whose leadership is also heavily involved in The Response prayer Rally) suggested that this Spiritual Warfare against Baal was necessary because the "Church and the nation are in a crisis!" He proposed his 07-07-07 TheCall rally in Nashville as the place to "respond in repentance" to release a "revival" that could "draw us back into marital faithfulness with our Bridegroom, God" in order to "overthrow Jezebel's death-march in this nation" before the elections of 2008. Engle tied his 07-07-07 rally to a 1993 prophecy by Bob Jones ("Kansas City Prophets") about a mobilization of Joel's Army and the New Breed.
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2011/07/divorcing-baal-for-dominion.html
see more here on a group of wolves 4runner says are cool:
Prayer Warfare Evangelism
IHOP's New Breed Leaders
IHOP & the NAR
IHOP: International House of Political Action
IHOP Enters Dominion/Christian Right Politics
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2011/07/divorcing-baal-for-dominion.html
another of 4runner's pet "doctrines" is something called THE BRIDAL PARADIGM: its all part of the false prophets scenario.
....Earlier this year the International House of Prayer (IHOP) sponsored a conference in Kansas City entitled Passion for Jesus that was heavily promoted toward young people. The purpose of the conference was to "cultivate intimacy with Jesus." In the conference's second session, IHOP president and director Mike Bickle preached a message based on an allegorical interpretation of a Matthew 25 parable in which he explained his end times theology and "revelation of the bridal paradigm." Bickle claims that Jesus cannot return until something drastically changes in the church: "He is not coming any day. He is not coming until the people of God globally are crying out in intercession with a bridal identity under the anointing of the Spirit.1" If you do not understand what he means by that it is likely because you have read the Bible literally and have never found anything regarding a special anointing that imparts a revelation of a "bridal identity." In fact, much of Bickle's terminology will be strange and foreign to most Christians.....
The Latter Rain End-time Scenario
On IHOP's Web site is a series of affirmations and denials that appear to distance themselves from the discredited Latter Rain movement. (I explained Latter Rain ideas in a previous CIC article.3) For instance, they deny any belief in the Joel's Army teaching4, one of the key teachings of the Latter Rain stating that an end-time church would arise with great power and defeat God's enemies during the Great Tribulation. They also taught that Christ could not return to the "defeated" church they deemed existed in their day.
As I documented, key leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation have picked up the concept and teach the same thing. This teaching is so eccentric that it is unlikely anyone espousing it had not been influenced by those who first proposed it. This is especially so when one considers Bickle's past associations with prophets like Paul Cain of the Latter Rain era. Therefore I conclude that Bickle and IHOP have indeed been influenced by the Latter Rain despite their denials.
Bickle claims that the church will not only go through the Great Tribulation, but the church will cause it:
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue107.htm
so you see Naphal, the man you are seeking truth from is an heretic involved in all of the above and more. that's why he is against the traditional Church and rejects Biblical soteriology and all core doctrines. you make your own choices about who to listen to, but now you know about 4runner.
he is for the cell church model where people are easily "transformed" (brainwashed)...of course he is a leader of such a group himself.
4runner also claims sinless perfectionism, another heresy.
4runner is what is known as a Dominionist (he'll deny this)
4runner will deny all or most of this, and attack me, since he hates me because i know what he is.
but, no matter....he's talked A LOT since he got here, and even without falsifying and forging his previous posts to make them say something he never said (something he has no problem doing, like any good deceiver), anyone is able to find out what he REALLY believes.
he's proud of it...until it starts looking bad for him.
take care.
and beware of false prophets like 4runner.
zone.
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