At what point would you as a Christian fight rather than turn the other cheek?

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saintrose

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Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
 

p_rehbein

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Personally:

When my life, the lives of my family, church family, or innocent people around me are placed in danger.

The "turn the other cheek" Scripture is not about allowing ones self to be murdered IMO.

Matthew Henry said:

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

5:38-42 The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne, for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord's keeping. And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront, let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and comfort.

Note the emboldened statement: "that can be borne" which reveals that those who present a "clear and present danger" to us, our family, loved ones, innocent people are not covered by this Scripture.
 

surfer14

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I think cowardice is a greater sin than fighting. When you're getting genocided, it's long past time to fight back.

As a woman, you have way more power than you know. Praise any man around you who fights back. Ridicule any man that won't. Name and shame the cowards.
 

saintrose

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I was reading through comments beneath an article and someone posited how things were going to turn out with Christians trained to turn the other cheek against a bloodthirsty enemy.

I don't see any times in Scripture though, where people were told to fight back. The only one I know of is David who fought Goliath. There were of course instances in the Old Testament where Israel had to fight enemies. But it seems to me that the Bible seems quiet on what to do when faced with someone who wants to destroy you. It almost seems that Christians are at a distinct advantage because of the pacifist undertones of the New Testament.

It's interesting to know how others interpret this.
 

Runningman

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Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
I always thought that the verses you're talking about are about revenge. The only conceivable reason to not retaliate against an aggressor is that vengeance belongs to God.

The only remaining option to justify the use of lethal force is self-defense of self or others, but only as a last resort.

I don't think "turning the other cheek" means passively looking the other way at all times. That is certainly not what it means.

I think this requires wisdom to measure out an appropriate response. Besides, have you studied pro-self defense scriptures? What are your thoughts?
 

saintrose

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I always thought that the verses you're talking about are about revenge. The only conceivable reason to not retaliate against an aggressor is that vengeance belongs to God.

The only remaining option to justify the use of lethal force is self-defense of self or others, but only as a last resort.

I don't think "turning the other cheek" means passively looking the other way at all times. That is certainly not what it means.

I think this requires wisdom to measure out an appropriate response. Besides, have you studied pro-self defense scriptures? What are your thoughts?
When I was at a Bible study someone brought up the ugliness that was coming, and the pastor shrugged and smiled and said we would be raptured out.

What if we're not?

I was reading the NWO cards and one of them was martial law. They're usually accurate since the developer of the game is likely an occultist.

It made me wonder how most Christians would react when the army knocked at your door and demanded your weapons. What are you going to do? I think this is something that we may all want to think about - in advance.
 

Runningman

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When I was at a Bible study someone brought up the ugliness that was coming, and the pastor shrugged and smiled and said we would be raptured out.

What if we're not?
We won't be raptured out. Unless you believe in the pre-tribulation rapture; I do not, but many people do. Many people will be utterly disillusioned to not be swept away to safety.

I believe Jesus made every effort to teach us endurance, patience, and strength to endure tribulation and hardships. This idea we can escape the great tribulation is non-existent in the Bible, though some will undoubtedly argue against this.

I was reading the NWO cards and one of them was martial law. They're usually accurate since the developer of the game is likely an occultist.

It made me wonder how most Christians would react when the army knocked at your door and demanded your weapons. What are you going to do? I think this is something that we may all want to think about - in advance.
Many Christians will probably comply with non-aggressive government mandates like a "gun buyback" program. Many will fail to foresee the grave mistake of allowing the government to "buyback" what was never theirs to begin with. This makes "gun buyback" program a misnomer designed to gaslight the public into unquestioning compliance.

If there is any group the government would send the army after it would most likely be conservatives and yes many of them are Christians.
 

saintrose

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We won't be raptured out. Unless you believe in the pre-tribulation rapture; I do not, but many people do. Many people will be utterly disillusioned to not be swept away to safety.

I believe Jesus made every effort to teach us endurance, patience, and strength to endure tribulation and hardships. This idea we can escape the great tribulation is non-existent in the Bible, though some will undoubtedly argue against this.



Many Christians will probably comply with non-aggressive government mandates like a "gun buyback" program. Many will fail to foresee the grave mistake of allowing the government to "buyback" what was never theirs to begin with. This makes "gun buyback" program a misnomer designed to gaslight the public into unquestioning compliance.

If there is any group the government would send the army after it would most likely be conservatives and yes many of them are Christians.
Yes Christians, patriots, and I believe whites are in the crosshairs.
 

TheIndianGirl

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If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
Have you seen The Promise? It is about the Armenian genocide.
 

TheIndianGirl

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I think the verse about turning the other cheek is focused on the relationship between two or a few number of people, not about injustice inflicted by a system. I think it just means forgive the other person.
 

John146

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Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
Paul states to the body of Christ, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

Try your best to turn the other cheek, but sometimes it's not possible because the other party does not want peace. In this case, self defense is an option.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Succinctly, I think there is a difference between civil obedience and war footing.
 

Runningman

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Yes Christians, patriots, and I believe whites are in the crosshairs.
Whites have been in their crosshairs for a long time. Too long of a conversation to get into here but the end goal is population replacement. White protestants don't generally vote the way NWO want them to. The only way to get rid of them is gradually replace their demographic and ideology using disinformation.

What do you think the "great falling away" or "great rebellion" of the church is? I theorize that anti-Christian sentiment will reach a critical mass before the end. We're not really there yet.
 

NOV25

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Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
Really good question, thanks for bringing this up it's crossed my mind lately for the same reasons you've mentioned. I'm no expert on the topic, haven't prayed or studied extensively so the following statement is not a hill I'm willing to fight and die on...lol

I would say the obvious instance of serious physical danger to you, your family, your brethren and the weak who cannot protect themselves would seem a biblical time to fight.

War time. If you're a soldier you fight, you kill, you die, that's what soldiers do.

Other than that I'm not sure.
 
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Hopefully if the fed comes to treason, we will have governors, mayor's, and sheriffs, to lead us in the fight to protect our neighbors, families, and country, from tyranny.
 

Encouragement

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Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
I think there is a definite balance to be held and different situations warrant a different response.God doesn't want us to be doormats to other people and doing what is right where necessary shouldn't be seen as been wrong in terms of being assertive in life with the right motives.Yet inappropriate aggression,violence, terrible verbal abusive traits all in the name of being assertive..standing up for oneself aren't good displays.
Things like self defence can sometimes be so difficult sometimes because the amount of force used in cases of self defence can be debated as being too excessive as people even can go to prison for defending themselves when their lives were in danger.
Forgiveness,not holding grudges and being meek and a peacemaker are traits we all should display with Godz help.Yet at the same time recognising that meekness is not weakness but strength not to retaliate when you know you could.
Turning the other cheek,choosing to let things go are displays of Grace and I guess the greater the offence caused the harder it can be to turn the other cheek...but to this we are called...Yet God has shown us grace,forgiven us ect and we are called to manifest the same thing to others..yet there is wisdom in that too.Where a crime has been committed against us ect there is the judicial system there to bring justice and bring perpetrators to account and is there for the common good
I knew a Christian who very sadly met another Christian guy for a date ect who raped her..she didn't go to the police ect which she had every right to do..but just wanted him to accept what he did was wrong....but he never did and blamed her ect..
I wouldn't say she turned the other cheek in that sense but held him to account of what he did by meeting him again....but he refused to admit his sin.
 

surfer14

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Yes Christians, patriots, and I believe whites are in the crosshairs.
Correct.

Mass immigration is warfare and its all about about demographic displacement. Miscegenation is glorified and it's a tool by which they intend to breed us out. This becomes easier to recognize when you understand, although whites might be a slim majority in America, that white people are a tiny minority of the world population. So why is it that all over the world there is this push to bring millions of non-whites into white nations?

Now back to your statement above...
Who hates Christians?
Who hates patriotism (nationalism)?
Who hates whites? (This one is tricky. Beware of chameleons.)
Who pushes for mass immigration of non-white, non-Christians into historically white, mostly Christian nations?
Who glamorizes black men getting together with white women?

Look for patterns. And while you're at it, a study of r/K selection might be helpful. And never forget that if you ever doubt who's in control, just analyze who you're not allowed to criticize.