Baptism and holy spirit

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shrume

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Tongues & interpretation, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, gift of healing, prophecy. Did I desire to use them? Yes, was I asking to be used by them at the time? No. The Holy Spirit gave me the ability at the time. The Holy Spirit is not going to make you do something you are not ready for. If you have know desire then you will not be used, if you have no desire and God does use you , you had to be willing at that time you were used. Do I claim the gifts to me mine? NO. They are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, can I speak in tongues right now yes God has given me the ability and has entrusted me with it. Do I speak out for show ? NO. that is abusing the gift.
The things listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10 are not gifts. They are manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Every single Christian has the ability to manifest that gift. God want's all Christians to speak in tongues, and they can do so, whether they think they can or not. Part of the problem is the belief that tongues is a gift, and not a manifestation. People think "well, God must not want me to speak in tongues because I don't have the "gift"". As I said earlier, most Christians simply don't know what it is. They keep waiting for God to possess them, or make them, or somehow cause them to speak in tongues. It won't happen. Because of the gift of the Holy Spirit, it's an ability they ALREADY HAVE. Once a Christian understands some of these things, they will understand how utterly EASY it is to speak in tongues.
 

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I received (baptized into) the Holy Spirit the moment I was saved. July 1962.
He has been present in my life ever moment sense that day.
 

CS1

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The things listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10 are not gifts. They are manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Every single Christian has the ability to manifest that gift. God want's all Christians to speak in tongues, and they can do so, whether they think they can or not. Part of the problem is the belief that tongues is a gift, and not a manifestation. People think "well, God must not want me to speak in tongues because I don't have the "gift"". As I said earlier, most Christians simply don't know what it is. They keep waiting for God to possess them, or make them, or somehow cause them to speak in tongues. It won't happen. Because of the gift of the Holy Spirit, it's an ability they ALREADY HAVE. Once a Christian understands some of these things, they will understand how utterly EASY it is to speak in tongues.
I call them gifts because 1cor 12 says they are gifts

1cor 12:4 "There are [d]diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. But it is not only Gifts I find it funny how so many miss the distinct descriptive thing



In 1cor 12



I will list them for you :

  • Gifts verse 4
  • differences of ministries and diversities of activities, verse 5
  • then the manifestations
  • the offices of ministries
  • Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
Within the offices for equipping apostles, prophets, teachers they are not the big “A” or big “P”

They are church builders and preachers
 

CS1

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I received (baptized into) the Holy Spirit the moment I was saved. July 1962.
He has been present in my life ever moment sense that day.
amen noone is saying you have not :)
 

shrume

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I call them gifts because 1cor 12 says they are gifts

1cor 12:4 "There are [d]diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
There are also differences of administrations:
5) And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

And there are diversities of operations:
6) And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

What does verse 7 say?
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

And then it proceeds to list the manifestations.

But it is not only Gifts I find it funny how so many miss the distinct descriptive thing

In 1cor 12

I will list them for you :
  • Gifts verse 4
  • differences of ministries and diversities of activities, verse 5
  • then the manifestations
  • the offices of ministries
  • Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
Within the offices for equipping apostles, prophets, teachers they are not the big “A” or big “P”

They are church builders and preachers
I'm not sure what you're saying, but equipping ministry of a prophet (Eph 4:11) is not the same thing as the manifestation of prophesy, which every Christian is to covet to do.
 

Noose

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Show me where the Bible says there should be just as many healings or miracles as there are people who speak in tongues.


Right. In the body, different people do different things. Some people are more adept at praying than others. Others are more fluent in the manifestation of prophesy. And so on.

But the Bible does say that God would like all Christians to speak in tongues. We are encouraged to always be praying in the Spirit (which is speaking in tongues).


We also have prophesy, and everyone who speaks in tongues out loud interprets.
My friend, if i tell you these things ceased and you take me for a troll. Who prophesies in your church and what prophesy do they give? can i get a sample prophesy?
Predicting that Dallas cowboys or Toronto raptors will win the league is not prophesy, it is just like weather forecast. All prophesy MUST pertain to things that affect the Kingdom of God. The kind of prophesy that we had in the 1st century church plus the disciples was interpretation of prophesy- otherwise all prophesy ended with John the baptist.
Interpretation of prophesy is considered prophesy because it is explaining the already existing prophesy in a language and a manner that is understood by the congregation for their edification. THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE.

Saying there'll be earth quakes or earth tremors in an area is not prophesy- the people of God within that area will be directed by the spirit of God somehow- otherwise everything has already been done including those earth quakes. The HS indwells people to give them guidance and He is not for public consumption.

John 14:15“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will bec in you.

Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”c

What we have that is being displayed publicly are fake signs and wonders and we know where they come from.
So what was prophesied in your church?
 

shrume

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My friend, if i tell you these things ceased
Yes, you have said that, and you are wrong.

and you take me for a troll.
I did not call you a troll.

Who prophesies in your church and what prophesy do they give? can i get a sample prophesy?
Predicting that Dallas cowboys or Toronto raptors will win the league is not prophesy, it is just like weather forecast. All prophesy MUST pertain to things that affect the Kingdom of God. The kind of prophesy that we had in the 1st century church plus the disciples was interpretation of prophesy- otherwise all prophesy ended with John the baptist.
This is what the manifestation of prophesy is:

1 Cor 14:
3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

The manifestation of prophesy is not predicting the future, or giving new Bible verses that should be written down.

Interpretation of prophesy is considered prophesy because it is explaining the already existing prophesy in a language and a manner that is understood by the congregation for their edification. THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE.
I don't know what you're trying to do... Where does the Bible ever talk about the interpretation of prophesy? And if you meant interpretation of tongues, no interpretation of tongues is not considered prophesy.

Saying there'll be earth quakes or earth tremors in an area is not prophesy- the people of God within that area will be directed by the spirit of God somehow-
Really? Why do Christians die in tornadoes or hurricanes? Why are they at times victims of mass shootings?

otherwise everything has already been done including those earth quakes.
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The HS indwells people to give them guidance and He is not for public consumption.
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John 14:15“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will bec in you.

Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”c

What we have that is being displayed publicly are fake signs and wonders and we know where they come from.
You do not know what you are talking about, Noose.

So what was prophesied in your church?
Words of edification, exhortation, and comfort.
 

Noose

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The things listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10 are not gifts. They are manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Every single Christian has the ability to manifest that gift. God want's all Christians to speak in tongues, and they can do so, whether they think they can or not. Part of the problem is the belief that tongues is a gift, and not a manifestation. People think "well, God must not want me to speak in tongues because I don't have the "gift"". As I said earlier, most Christians simply don't know what it is. They keep waiting for God to possess them, or make them, or somehow cause them to speak in tongues. It won't happen. Because of the gift of the Holy Spirit, it's an ability they ALREADY HAVE. Once a Christian understands some of these things, they will understand how utterly EASY it is to speak in tongues.
This is confusion galore; Amongst the things listed in 1 Cor 12: 8-10 as manifestation of the gift of the holy spirit is healing. So you are saying every Christian has the ability to manifest healing also?
This is way over the line
 

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There are also differences of administrations:
5) And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

And there are diversities of operations:
6) And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

What does verse 7 say?
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

And then it proceeds to list the manifestations.


I'm not sure what you're saying, but equipping ministry of a prophet (Eph 4:11) is not the same thing as the manifestation of prophesy, which every Christian is to covet to do.
eph 4:11 " 1 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, "

this is a parellal verse with 1cor 12:28

same writer addressing very simular issue in Ephesian
 

Noose

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LOL the thread is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit , and the posting has gone from gifts of the Spirit to the dead are not raised today
to praying non-verbally and now exaggeration and hypotheticals
My friend, so you are just going to leave it at that without even backing your own position?
 

shrume

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This is confusion galore; Amongst the things listed in 1 Cor 12: 8-10 as manifestation of the gift of the holy spirit is healing.
One of the manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit is gifts of healings. Healing is always a gift.

So you are saying every Christian has the ability to manifest healing also?
Every Christian has the ability to operate the manifestation of gifts of healings. But revelation is needed, it's not something you can simply demand on a whim.

This is way over the line
Promoting that all the manifestations have ceased is over the line...
 

shrume

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eph 4:11 " 1 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, "

this is a parellal verse with 1cor 12:28

same writer addressing very simular issue in Ephesian
I can see the similarity.

God gives some people the ministry of a prophet, but that is not the same as the manifestation of prophesy, which all Christians are to covet to do.
 

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My friend, so you are just going to leave it at that without even backing your own position?
I do not need to back any thing 1cor 12, 13, and 14 says it the gifts of the Holy Spirit are there as a normitive .
I asked you about raiseing the dead which you stated does not happen today. I gave you a question asking ifa person had died and someone prayed for them and they can back to life, you answered with some a,b, and c both. then threw in transgender, I can't take you serious , and i have long enough played with you.it is clear , you are not serious, and you do act like a troll I have seen to many to know. were done :) that is you and I
 

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I can see the similarity.

God gives some people the ministry of a prophet, but that is not the same as the manifestation of prophesy, which all Christians are to covet to do.
I think so ,
 

Noose

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Yes, you have said that, and you are wrong.


I did not call you a troll.


This is what the manifestation of prophesy is:

1 Cor 14:
3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

The manifestation of prophesy is not predicting the future, or giving new Bible verses that should be written down.


I don't know what you're trying to do... Where does the Bible ever talk about the interpretation of prophesy? And if you meant interpretation of tongues, no interpretation of tongues is not considered prophesy.
Matt 11:13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

False prophets starts with many in the 1st century, through Mohamed to the one in your church. Even Jesus Himself and the disciples/ apostles prophesied but what is considered prophesy for them was actually an interpretation of the prophets and the law. John the revelator was told to 'prophesy again' and he just repeated what Daniel prophesied in another angle.

I wonder what is being prophesied in your church.


Why do Christians die in tornadoes or hurricanes? Why are they at times victims of mass shootings?
Many reasons.
1. people must die
2. Psalm 115:15 Precious in the sightof the LORD is the death of His saints.
3. There are 2 groups of Christians; the church of Smyrna aka Jerusalem who will go through tribulations (to refine their faith in Christ) and must die for their faith in Christ. This forms the majority of Christians, they go through tribulations because they are unfaithful/ they don't know God (that's why their faith is refined with fire).
Rev 2:10Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.

The other group is the church of Philadelphia aka remnant of Judah- these are protected from any harm because they know God and are faithful. They are few, only 144K.

The prophet in your church should be telling you these things.
 

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opening verse of chapter 12 1cor

"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. "

as you read on it says this in verse 31

"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. "

The NLT reads :

"31 So you should earnestly desire the most helpful gifts. "

Chapter 14 says

1cor 14:1

Kjv " Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

1cor 14:39 "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. "
1Cor 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

So with you I'm guessing that coveting is the same as asking for? vs 31 earnestly covet the best gifts. Yet tongues is not the best gifts if scripture is correct.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Noose

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I can see the similarity.

God gives some people the ministry of a prophet, but that is not the same as the manifestation of prophesy, which all Christians are to covet to do.
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 

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My friend, so you are just going to leave it at that without even backing your own position?

lol your friend? lol how soon do you forget . Remember what you said?

“we are in the end times and the antichrist also comes with a bag full of fake signs and wonders.”

“The people who asks for gifts will most probably get and evil one”.



these were duped by the antichrist, they truly believed that the signs were from God.

The people who asks for gifts will most probably get and evil one and why is it that majority of the people today only ask for the gift of speaking in a language no one understands?
I know why, they are all fake.


that does not sound like any friend I know you said I did not recieve the gifts of the Holy Spirit I got "evil" I have been dupped by the anti-christ you said. This is why you are most likely a troll. To suggest that about people here who say they have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which this thread is about then attack them with devils, evil, and anti-christ, and do not show any biblical refute to the understanding of those who speak in tongues or ask for the gifts of the Holy Spirit. there are those here who do not agree with and believe the gifts (mainly tongues ) have been done way with. And that is ok I would say to any pentacostel who said they have a devil like you said is to wrong and needs to stop. To you these people have a devil . You have shown great Immaturity and no respect for those who maybe new to the Lord. I would not say you are noit saved but you surely said that here .