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GraceAndTruth

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Reading the OP's of both Threads, I kinda get the idea that there may be a wee bit of someone wanting to rely on their wisdom rather than on God/Holy Spirit.........

dunno, will see how it plays out............

That "iron sharpening iron" thingy is ok, but it can become far more destructive to Christian Fellowship than edifying Christian Fellowship if one is not careful

This IS NOT a Gladiator Ring........even though it may sometimes resemble one more than it does a Christian Fellowship Website
Iron sharpening Iron is in the bible. OT so glad you think its "ok"
 

trofimus

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Learning abother language is more time consuming than using a dictionary or lexicon.

I do believe the next level would be to take classes in those language, but not everyone has the time or money or means to do that.

I believe it's good for people to both read and study the Bible. I pray more people find the value in daily Bible ready and yearlong bibe studies with other dedicated Christains.
"More time consuming" - so... what? Priorities ;-) We are not talking about somebody who just want to live as a Christian. You can do that even without having any Bible. We are talking about somebody who wants to study the Bible.

People do not have to take expensive classes in some university to learn koine Greek. There are many books or online free couses.
 
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Ariel82

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Many of my neighbors are still recovering from Hurricane Florence and are more worried about where they and their families will be living.

I kind of see the point you are trying to make and agree that learning the original language would be ideal. Definitely better than propping up one translation or study resource over another. However is the OP really meaning to say "Strong only" as a bible study help or were they just listing the one they use?

I don't get the whole "kjv only"/ "Strong only" vibe from the OP, but did notice some folks "poisoning the well" bad debating/discussion tactics that suggested that the OP said that instead of just asking for clarification.

"More time consuming" - so... what? Priorities ;-) We are not talking about somebody who just want to live as a Christian. You can do that even without having any Bible. We are talking about somebody who wants to study the Bible.

People do not have to take expensive classes in some university to learn koine Greek. There are many books or online free couses.
 

trofimus

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Many of my neighbors are still recovering from Hurricane Florence and are more worried about where they and their families will be living.

I kind of see the point you are trying to make and agree that learning the original language would be ideal. Definitely better than propping up one translation or study resource over another. However is the OP really meaning to say "Strong only" as a bible study help or were they just listing the one they use?

I don't get the whole "kjv only"/ "Strong only" vibe from the OP, but did notice some folks "poisoning the well" bad debating/discussion tactics that suggested that the OP said that instead of just asking for clarification.
I have never used the KJV or Strong before the CC, because I am not English. So this debate is not in my cultural horizon.

I just give general advice that if somebody really wants to study and get serious about the Bible, learning the Greek is the way to go...

Time consuming? Depends. After you will be able to read the NT in Greek, you will have more time than when needing to look up every word in dictionaries.

What is more logical if you want to live in Germany? To learn at least some basics of German or to take 10 dictionaries with you, because learning the language is "time consuming"?
 
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Ariel82

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I use Biblegateway or Biblehub

Or the other websites that allow you to see the verses in various translation and the original language. Many have built in concordances and you can look up the word usage throughout the Bible.

I find it very helpful, but hope to learn the languages one of these days.

It's amazing how culture plays a role in how we percieve things and communicate.

I have never used the KJV or Strong before the CC, because I am not English. So this debate is not in my cultural horizon.

I just give general advice that if somebody really wants to study and get serious about the Bible, learning the Greek is the way to go...

Time consuming? Depends. After you will be able to read the NT in Greek, you will have more time than when needing to look up every word in dictionaries.
 

trofimus

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I use Biblegateway or Biblehub

Or the other websites that allow you to see the verses in various translation and the original language. Many have built in concordances and you can look up the word usage throughout the Bible.

I find it very helpful, but hope to learn the languages one of these days.

It's amazing how culture plays a role in how we percieve things and communicate.
I use biblehub too. Its a quick and rich source. But there is something special in your own, personal reading of the NT in Greek, before you go to sleep. Its something different than some quick search of one verse on biblehub, if you know what I mean.
 
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Ariel82

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I use biblehub too. Its a quick and rich source. But there is something special in your own, personal reading of the NT in Greek, before you go to sleep. Its something different than some quick search of one verse on biblehub, if you know what I mean.
Yeah. I studied Latin in high school and college and though it's not Greek, translating it from a Latin Bible gives it a richness of meaning.

I have also tried to learn new Khmer words by listening to it. I grew up listening to colloquial Khmer but my mom didn't discuss theological terns much.

People who are only flueny one language, don't really understand how much can be lost in translation.

Then I think that the inspired writers had to use the words they knew to explain the messages God gave them.

I do believe when we get to heaven there will be things there we don't have the vocabulary now to explain....like explaining color to the blind.
 

posthuman

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I will always accept correction if proven wrong.
i try to do the same :)
but i don't make it easy for someone to change my mind, i want to see sound arguments i can't find flaws in, and i definitely look for flaws
 

Hevosmies

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i try to do the same :)
but i don't make it easy for someone to change my mind, i want to see sound arguments i can't find flaws in, and i definitely look for flaws
Same.

Bro can you tell me why God is sad and pleads for people to repent, while knowing they wont, because He is the one not giving them the gift of repentance?
Or is it just hyperbolic language in your opinion?

Im talking about Isaiah 5:4 for example.

Isaiah 5:4
What more could have been done for my vineyard than I have done for it? When I looked for good grapes, why did it yield only bad?
 

GraceAndTruth

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When Strong's allows you to do multi-word concordance searches, provides instant comparisons with 40+ other translations, and links automatically to the original-language text(s) behind the translation, then I might consider that it has not been eclipsed. Technology has enabled several tools that Strong's doesn't provide.

Regarding your other comment, such generalized criticism is no different than slander.
When Strong's allows you to do multi-word concordance searches, provides instant comparisons with 40+ other translations, and links automatically to the original-language text(s) behind the translation, then I might consider that it has not been eclipsed. Technology has enabled several tools that Strong's doesn't provide.

Regarding your other comment, such generalized criticism is no different than slander.
Well, darlin', then feel free to ignore me...thank you
 

GraceAndTruth

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If I wanted to visit Paris I would use a Lexicon,.......when I study the bible I NEED a
Strong's.