BASIS FOR PURGATORY IN THE BIBLE

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Jackson123

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It's all part of a global network of pedophile, Luciferian elitists. Worship of Molech is alive and well on planet earth today.

If someone does not believe this, do the homework. You'll see.
Yep, basically, catholic is luciferian or satanic.
 

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Yep, I heard, catholic kill Dr Alberto rivera, he was ex jesuit, repent and tell about everything he know.

One preacher from San Diego California say, in the 60' Alberto rivera give a testinony in his church, according from what he know when he was in the vatican, there is a time when us presidential inaguration Will face obelisk. By the time, secretly us congress under vatican.

It is because when vatican has enough vote in us congress, she Will secretly instruct congress and government to do It. Obelisk is her God. And according to this preacher, It start happen in 1984 at the Ronald Reagen inaguration. Happen after 18 years Alberto say.

Also Alberto say, vatican behind nwo. An antichrist government.

Now after more than 50 years from the first Alberto rivera testimony, we see the clue, read this link

Very interesting, did you know that the Vatican established Islam to stop the Protestant Church from spreading. I was told by a friend at my Church that it's a historical fact and the Koran was printed in the Vatican with the Pope editing it.

I haven't had a chance to verify this yet but the brother at Church is a very trustworthy person, he wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. You should google it as well and see what you find, it will be interesting to see what information is available since the Catholic Church controls so much media outlets and websites.
 

Jackson123

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Very interesting, did you know that the Vatican established Islam to stop the Protestant Church from spreading. I was told by a friend at my Church that it's a historical fact and the Koran was printed in the Vatican with the Pope editing it.

I haven't had a chance to verify this yet but the brother at Church is a very trustworthy person, he wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. You should google it as well and see what you find, it will be interesting to see what information is available since the Catholic Church controls so much media outlets and websites.
Yep, Dr Alberto rivera say that story, also professor walter J Veith in the youtube explain It.
 

jaybird88

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I don't know how many Catholics were persecuted by the Protestants, but I do know that the Catholics executed well over 50 million Christian Saints. That is a historical fact, that's why we believe that the "great Harlot, who is drunk on the blood of Saints" as described in the book of revelation is speaking about the Catholic Church. It's the only one who fits the description.
so if the protestants only killed 49 million its ok because we can always point our finger at the one who does a little more evil.
 

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so if the protestants only killed 49 million its ok because we can always point our finger at the one who does a little more evil.
The Protestants arrived because they protested the Roman's church taking the place of God.
Evil committed on both sides does not revoke the fact that evil was done in the name of faith. And yet, how many people has God killed in the old testament? Because they were not of the faith he protected. They were pagan, they were this or that, found worthy of death by their creator.
Women to have their babies ripped from the womb or babes bashed into the ground because of the decreed sin guilt of their people/city? Hosea 13:16.
And yet, people will say God can do anything he wants because he is God. He give life and he can taketh it away. Then what say we rightly if we condemn people operating in the name of God taking life, giving life and taking it away?

Know the God you worship.
 

jaybird88

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Isaiah's reference has nothing to do with purgatory and speaks of God refining people in this life, not the next. Micah 7:9 mentions nothing about purgatory either. It amazes how the unbiblical doctrine of purgatory looks Biblical to you, yet you deny the Biblical doctrine that JESUS IS GOD (Matthew 1:23; John 1:1,14; 8:58-59; 20:28; Hebrews 1:8).
so this spirit of burning happens in this life, where can i go to see an example of this happening?
i thnk its biblical because i let the scriptures speak for themselves and i dont blind myself by my hatred for Catholics.
the trinity disproved purgatory??

Nowhere is purgatory officially depicted in the Canon of Scripture.
thats why its called a "doctrine", the doctrine is based on what scripture says. such as scripture saying we are judged for all our actions.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges, “the doctrine of purgatory is not explicitly stated in the Bible.” Thus, Catholicism is forced to appeal to the traditions of men rather than the testimony of God the Father through his Word. The fatal fable of purgatory is a false doctrine, regardless of how many Roman Catholics or mixed up Jews believed it to be true. - http://www.josefurban.org/purgatory-purifying-fire-or-fatal-fable-by-mike-gendron.html[/QUOTE]

these men base the idea on the Lords word.

Jesus said John the baptist was the greatest of all the prophets, yet his sect believed in these "fables"?
 

jaybird88

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I believe the Gospel of Thomas was left out because it has Christ discrediting the trinity platform the RCC was pushing:

30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."

This is how the Messianic Jews believe: Yahweh and Yeshua = Visible and Invisible Image/Express Image, and the personal Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit.

This would have definitely messed up the RCC's trinitarian views, and most likely why anything from Thomas was not added!!
i cant commit because anything that sounds like your questioning the trinity doctrine gets you banned here. feel free to PM me about it if you like.
 

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so this spirit of burning happens in this life, where can i go to see an example of this happening?
i thnk its biblical because i let the scriptures speak for themselves and i dont blind myself by my hatred for Catholics.
the trinity disproved purgatory??

thats why its called a "doctrine", the doctrine is based on what scripture says. such as scripture saying we are judged for all our actions.

these men base the idea on the Lords word.

Jesus said John the baptist was the greatest of all the prophets, yet his sect believed in these "fables"?
The refiners fire is not about purgator/literally burning people with fire. I don’t hate Catholics (most of my family is still Catholic) and I did not say that the Trinity disproves purgatory (you missed my point) so enough with the straw man arguments. The doctrine of purgatory is based on misinterpreted scripture and pagan ideology.

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jaybird88

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The refiners fire is not about purgator/literally burning people with fire. I don’t hate Catholics (most of my family is still Catholic) and I did not say that the Trinity disproves purgatory (you missed my point) so enough with the straw man arguments. The doctrine of purgatory is based on misinterpreted scripture and pagan ideology.

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if the argument was all straw then there would be no reason to be throwing out books just to hide the doctrine.
 

Jackson123

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How this verses explain purgatory?

Purgatory clean every man or women from sin that is not confest in life time.
That verse say the Lord Will purg the blood of Jerusalem by the spirit of judgement and burning.

Is the blood of jerusalem mean catholic that have un confest sin?

I never heard about It. Is the spirit of burning mean purgatory?

When It happen?
Catholic purgatory has been hapening since this doctrine establish, If you read isaiah It happen in the future.

Verse 3 It came to pass he that remain in jerusalem shall be call holy

If It happen now, is he that remain in jerusalem Holy?

Most of them are not Christian, how they call Holy?

Prove catholic is Nothing but liar


Isaiah 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.
 
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How this verses explain purgatory?

Purgatory clean every man or women from sin that is not confest in life time.
That verse say the Lord Will purg the blood of Jerusalem by the spirit of judgement and burning.

Is the blood of jerusalem mean catholic that have un confest sin?

I never heard about It. Is the spirit of burning mean purgatory?

When It happen?
Catholic purgatory has been hapening since this doctrine establish, If you read isaiah It happen in the future.

Verse 3 It came to pass he that remain in jerusalem shall be call holy

If It happen now, is he that remain in jerusalem Holy?

Most of them are not Christian, how they call Holy?

Prove catholic is Nothing but liar


Isaiah 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.
The foundation of Catholicism is necromancy (seeking the dead for the living) Its what patron saints(3500 and rising rapidly) are all about .Take away necromancy they have no support.
 
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Could we possibly substitute sanctified for perfected?
Yes:

"10For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. 11For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren"-Hebrews 2:10-11

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Jackson123

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The foundation of Catholicism is necromancy (seeking the dead for the living) Its what patron saints(3500 and rising rapidly) are all about .Take away necromancy they have no support.
Yep, No biblical SUPPORT, twisting verses.
 
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so this spirit of burning happens in this life, where can i go to see an example of this happening?
Peter speaks about the testing of our faith by fire, in this life, here:

12Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; 13but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation."-1 Peter 4:12-13

"though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ"-1 Peter 1:6-7
 

Jackson123

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Peter speaks about the testing of our faith by fire, in this life, here:

12Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; 13but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation."-1 Peter 4:12-13

"though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ"-1 Peter 1:6-7

Yep, It is Clear fire is figurative of distressed and trials. Must read in context to see what fire in that verse mean
 

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i cant commit because anything that sounds like your questioning the trinity doctrine gets you banned here. feel free to PM me about it if you like.


I was not aware of that. I wonder if it's because those who own the site believe as such, or those who mod? Either way, one would have to question "how secure their walk in God" is, if a different view threatens them? How insecure just are believers today when we are supposed to be the conquerors, knowing that GREATER is HE that is in us than he that is in the world? And to think, the closer we get to Christ returning, the more our Adversary and his legion will attack us (since they know scripture and know they have little time left). If someone is threatened by doctrine, they will run chicken scared when all hell breaks loose upon them :(
 
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Can anyone explain with Bible verses if you disagree that the verses used are wrong before giving verses to disprove the existence of purgatory?

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

The prison of spirits which Christ had visited after he was crucified is purgatory ( 1 Peter 3:18-19)

There is a need for purgatory in order to be cleansed because for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God as mentioned in Romans 3:23.

you cannot go to paradise if you have stain of sin:

Revelation 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
What bible version did you get that out of. There is no word purgatory in that verse.
1 peter 3: 18 -1
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;