I want all who enter into these forums to be aware that there are postings in here that are not relevant to the foundation of the belief of Christians in the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. There are some posting in here who would have us believe the "all roads lead to heaven as long as we have a pure heart" GARBAGE. We need to only rely on Jesus Christ and his price paid for our eternal salvation. GOD"S word says to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and I"m sticking with that. I will disregard ALL of the posts of the IMPOSTER who states that he is a Christian but comes in posting Universalist garbage that all roads lead to the Father and who are we to judge the heart of a budhist/muslim. These are insidious lies and I question ones motives to be on this site obviously trying to sway people to his way of thinking which is basically spitting on the finished work that is in Christ Jesus. Check yourself at the login point when you enter into our place of fellowship and worship and keep satans lies out of our rooms as we do not seek to cause anyone to stumble in the VERY basics of our faith & that is that JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR AND NO ONE... NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM! Now that being said, I have absolutely no problem with folks debating doctrine & their ideas about the Holy spirit and all the things we come here to discuss... My problem is when posters come here with an agenda to separate people from the foundation of their faith or to cause seekers who come on here to wonder "what do Christians really think" do they think that I as a budhist am saved... if so, why come to the Lord? Anyway I hope this hits the imposter right in the heart of the matter and causes him to truly question why he has been led away from the finished work in Christ and why he chooses to enter into a Christian website to lead others away. those who are not for christ are.... anti-Christ, what are you? Truly it is black or white no grey area here. You either believe & receive Christ or you dont.
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Romans 2
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
John 4:19-24
The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Again, I state that I am not a Christian, or a Muslim. I am only in search of the way the truth and the life! I can't believe that a man who has abstained from the pleasures of any woman, who prays and meditates continually, and has not participated in any worldly pleasure since his birth, is in danger of death because he's maybe something like a Shaolin Monk with only a passive knowledge of the name of Jesus. For He died for this man as well! And in judgment, I strongly believe that this man will be counted righteous by his works, even more so than many who come from Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.
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This post has tremendous conviction and some may not understand it because they do not have the same conviction. This conviction is rooted in the heart through the word, the cross and through the Holy Spirit. This rooted conviction in the heart reveals a sound mind concerning Christ and Him crucified and a very sound faith that can not be swerved by any kind of religious dogma or pseudo spirituality that does not come from God. When you have a sound mind because of sound doctrine in the heart and soul, anything out side of the truth that the heart is established in through grace will immediately be discerned for what it is. The Holy Spirit of truth within will not witness that these things are of God and should be rejected so that they do not enter the mind which are designed to cause confusion and complacency having a good sound or ring tone.
Mt 11:15-17 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
Mt 11:15-17 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
I in no way judge the hearts of those who come to the Lord. My issue is with people who profess to be Christian and then subscribe to the Universal all roads lead to heaven teaching that the new age religions are coming to accept as truth. When one becomes a Christian one receives of the Holy Spirit and receives of the word of God as absolute truth. The word of God states that NO ONE comes to the Father except by Christ Jesus. People who enter in to a Christian Chat room are usually here to know Jesus, to know more about Jesus, to fellowship with like minded Christians, or to tear down the very basics of our faith. Thankfully there arent many who enter in to attack the core foundation of our knowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour and no one comes to the father except by him. You can argue and reject this as I did before becoming a Christian or you can choose to pray for an open heart to receive the truth whatever that may be. God will lead you to Christ as he did me. For I seeked all of these things and found nothing but when I found Christ I found EVERYTHING and it was because of his redemption of me a disgusting horrible sinner... HE redeamed that & the only thing about my heart that was good was the speck that opened up and said Lord please I need you & IN AN INSTANT the disgusting horrible sinner was gone in a floodgate of tears and in an amazing conversion that no one who's not experienced it can understand. Believe me, I've been forgiven much and never ever judge my peers or my friends in their sin, for it also took me 20 years to be where I am in my walk with Christ and I am still blemished & will never ever be without blemish except in the eyes of God because when he looks at me he looks at Christ & sees not me. I fail and I repent and then i fail again and i repent and eventually my failures are becoming less only because I love the Lord and seek to do HIS will, not because I think that my own actions will in any way make me worthy of Gods grace that is in Christ Jesus. Anyway. I suppose what I'm saying is it is best for those who profess Christianity to stand firm in the foundation of Christ as Lord or they need to discontinue labeling themselves Christian cause truly they are not. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but let there be no mistake in this, when you speak that all roads lead to heaven, peoples very SALVATION is on the line. This is something that I will always remain intollerant of. You can get upset at that and say I judge the other religions thats ok. I'm not their judge or their accuser but if a professed believer lies about the finished work of Christ you can absolutely count on me to rebuke him!
AMEN & thank you for quoting John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." praise the Lord you found the words (or part of the words but thats ok, you'll come along just fine!) I pray now that you will one day ask Jesus into your heart & your life, to wash you clean & you will receive the Holy Spirit & in this, gives these words their life & then you will come to the full understanding & knowledge of what Christ has done JUST FOR YOU my friend, isnt that amazing! That our Lord would die for me... for you and all we have to do is receive that... Its truly quite amazing the incredible love of God.
Now that does not hold water, not at all. Cain did kill his brother, then lied about it. "I am not my brother's keeper."
God's ten commandments were a covenant with the children of Jacob. They did not exist until God spoke them from the holy mountain. Other wise, we could not say, "before the Law." The Sabbath was a part of that covenant.
I practice a form of the sabbath. I try to do no work any day. My work is mine, God's work is His. I try to be a vessel to God for Him to works through. Sort of like Jesus did.
God's ten commandments were a covenant with the children of Jacob. They did not exist until God spoke them from the holy mountain. Other wise, we could not say, "before the Law." The Sabbath was a part of that covenant.
I practice a form of the sabbath. I try to do no work any day. My work is mine, God's work is His. I try to be a vessel to God for Him to works through. Sort of like Jesus did.
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Romans 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Before the law, sin was already here. What is the Bible's definition of sin?
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
How can we sin without a law to transgress? And do you believe that laws like the one concerning murder is only a covenant with the children of Jacob only? Why punish Cain if it didn't exist? And concerning the Sabbath,
Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Before the law, sin was already here. What is the Bible's definition of sin?
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
How can we sin without a law to transgress? And do you believe that laws like the one concerning murder is only a covenant with the children of Jacob only? Why punish Cain if it didn't exist? And concerning the Sabbath,
Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
I have seen some pretty good examples of circular reasoning, but this is a good one. What you are saying is disagreeing with what you are quoting.
If we lived before the law, then we could sin without transgressing the law. Until the law came, sin was not a transgression of the law, because the law had not yet come.
If we lived before the law, then we could sin without transgressing the law. Until the law came, sin was not a transgression of the law, because the law had not yet come.