Bible Beliefs I Hold To

[Stand_Up_4_God]

Me either, so lets agree, no swearing! ^_^

 

[MahogonySnail]

And I hereby swear that I will never swear again.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

HAHAHAHA! oh my word. and I swear, that if you swear to never swear again, I shall swear, to not swear....we good?

 

[MahogonySnail]

You're such a good Christian Standup.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

LOL why thank you! As are you!

 

[Jezreel]

When Jesus sent out his disiples he told them "when you go into a house, let your peace remain upon the house and heal all who are sick in the house and eat and drink what is set before you because the laborer was worthy of his hire." that was their payment, food and drink and a place to stay. Jesus is the firstborn of God, the lamb without spot and blemish, God's best, Jesus Christ is the tithe of God. He fulfilled the whole law. Preachers who push tithing are hirelings. Also, he that is justified by the works of the law have fallen from grace. Too many of us are still held captive to a false image of God you worship the golden calf.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

When Jesus sent out his disiples he told them "when you go into a house, let your peace remain upon the house and heal all who are sick in the house and eat and drink what is set before you because the laborer was worthy of his hire." that was their payment, food and drink and a place to stay. Jesus is the firstborn of God, the lamb without spot and blemish, God's best, Jesus Christ is the tithe of God. He fulfilled the whole law. Preachers who push tithing are hirelings. Also, he that is justified by the works of the law have fallen from grace. Too many of us are still held captive to a false image of God you worship the golden calf.

You can't judge others or assume things. You don't know what others do or don't do and so on. Let the first one without sin cast the first stone...alright then, we all have sinned. What was said about the food and drink, wasn't meant in the manner you took it. I know for a fact that Southern doesn't worship a flase image of God....or a golden calf....and what was said about tithing he was saying there's a difference in that and giving extra. Anyhow, don't be judging others and all, cause you don't know them or how they life, their heart, who they worship and so on. That goes for everyone, even myself. None of us can judge the person. Jesus also said to dust off our feet if someone won't accept God's word. There's more to it than what you said.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I believe it's in Daniel, I could be wrong, anways...The Disciples fasted from eating meat and all of/from the king. They said they couldn't do it, they were told they had to, or else the king would behead the servents...well they begged and made their case known....they reassured the servents that God would take care of them. Indeed God did, they had only vegetables to eat....if memory serves me correctly. I'd have to read up on it again for details, but still, that's where he was comming from on that I"m pretty sure.

 

[Jezreel]

Judgement and discernment are not the same thing. When we pass judgement upon a person, we do an act upon them that punishes them. Also, today in these times, it is a shame how the younger generation has no respect for those who are elders, elders at home and elders in the Lord. Elders are not a position appointment by man that we see mispracticed in many religeous organization. An elder is an older person that is mature in the Lord. I used to worship that very same golden calf that is mentioned in the beginning of this thread. "Rebuke not an elder". When you are young, and I remember like it was yesterday, you can get the attutude that adults are stupid and that you know it all. I see so many younger people today who were not trained in the Lord speaking disrespectfully about things that they know not. We are not to use the word of God as a cloak of maliciousness. Grieve not the holy spirit.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

Well, you say what you want. There's MANY young people that do know what they're talking about, who do know God's word, and who do show respect. When I said what I did, it wasn't meant in a disrespectful manner. If that's how you took it, I do honestly apologize. However, you don't know me, so don't be saying that because I'm young physically, that I don't respect others, don't know God's word, and so on. I'm not the smartest out there in God's word, by no means...however, I know more than you'd think I do. Just because someone is young physically, doesn't mean they are immature spiritually. In fact, I'm only 22, however I've been told by many elders that I'm very mature in the Lord. I still stand by what I said, I know for a fact that Southern doesn't worship some golden calf. I know him, we have spoken many times, I know what he believes and who he worships....enough said on that. Spiritual maturity has nothing to do with someone's physical age and maturity level. They're as mature as Christ makes them, but being humble and saying okay Lord, it's about You not me. To ask Him to help them grow in Him. It's all about allowing the Lord to change them, shape, them, and mold them. I myself, have faced a very rough life, and learned more than most learn in a life time...by the power of God that is. I'm not one to brag, please don't think that. From what I've been told by those that really know me, I'm very mature in all aspects of life. I'm respectful to others, and so on. Now that's their view and all, I can't say cause I'm not them. I guess the Lord showed them something or spoke to them...the way I live life through Christ shows that for itself. So please, do not call me disrespectful, say that I don't know what I'm talking about, that I don't know God's word, or call me immature and things like that. God bless you.

 

[southern]

it is not that gold watches are condoned it is just not condemned by this ministry. The majority of people use their cell phone anyway, or pocket watches. I flashy expensive watch would not be condoned by this ministry because that would be prideful. Th bible does say not to adorn yourself with gild, pearls, or costly array.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Does that also apply to clothing southern? What if you wear a $500 suit but no jewellry, aren't you worse than a person who wears $50 clothing and a $100 worth of jewellry?

It's good to base our beliefs on the bible but in this case it is throwing common sense out the window. Pride is an attitude of the heart and wearing something does not make them prideful. The queen of england is not prideful because she wears all what she wears. A man in a business suit is not prideful by what he wears. A homeless guy on the street without any clothing at all can be more prideful than anyone who wears jewellry.

 

[Jezreel]

it is not that gold watches are condoned it is just not condemned by this ministry. The majority of people use their cell phone anyway, or pocket watches. I flashy expensive watch would not be condoned by this ministry because that would be prideful. Th bible does say not to adorn yourself with gild, pearls, or costly array.

Actually, that is a misquote of the word of God. The word says, "whose adorning, let it NOT be that outward adorning of plaiting and braiding of hair and putting on of gold etc". Our beauty is NOT to be the outward now, it is the inner man of a quiet and meek spirit. It does not say that you cannot wear gold, it says that the adorning is acquired through the spirit of Christ. I wear my long hair up on top of my head in what I jokingly call a "United Pentecostal cowpie". I know that the UPC says that hair piled on top of your head is "holiness"!! I call it a cowpile because it is a bunch of cow poop that hair stacked on your head is holiness and no different than braiding etc. I broke free of the UPC cult decades ago. My husband had to shave his beard to even play the drums in the music ministry which was very rediculous. The bondages that they piled on people was grievous to my spirit and we could not stay. We actually got kicked out because we did not support the teaching of tithing, even though my husband at one time gave more than ten percent, they were afraid of our liberty and told us to leave.
All of their teachings on holiness is mostly all outward appearance of man. The UPC cult is responsible for abuse of the sheep. I know that there are ones in that cult that are genuine for God but there are few as there are few in most denominations, many are called but few are chosen. I am not bitter or angry but consider what I learned while I was in there a great help indeed to understand what it feels like to be cast out for his names sake. Most of the poor souls were in bondage because of the fear that is oppressing them. If you don't jump through the hoops, you are considered to be unsaved. We cannot make people quit drinking or smoking because it is a work of the spirit of God. They lay burdens heavy on men's shoulders grievous to be beared. When I go out shopping a good while ago, I seen a couple in line that I perceived was UPC. She was grossly overweight and had on a long dress and her hair was piled on top of their head and she had mean look on her face and her husband looked unhappy. It could have been some other kind of religeous denomination and I could have been wrong but I don't think so. I smiled at her and she gave me an up and down look and was not friendly at all. I get lovely compliments about my cowpile that I wear on top of my head by the way!!
All of us are sinners and need to pray to have God continually give us the desire to please God and believe the way he wants us to believe. I know that when you believe all the teachings of the UPC, the leadership pats you on the back and you are looked up to with approval and the praise of man can kind of blind you that maybe we are not truly right with God because of all the man approval. In return, if we pay the preacher on the back, we fit right into the clique, or, cult. It is more important to please God rather than man. When we question the teachings of hirelings or man ordained preachers, they can say to us, "are you about to touch God's anointed? In the new covenant, all God's true children are the anointed of God! In the old covenant, God has chosen ones that he anointed like David and Elijah and the other prophets. In the new covenant, we are all kings and priests and his true children are the anointed of God.

 

[southern]

I am certainly not UPC, but holiness on the inside will certainly show on the outside.