bible interpretation

DiscipleDave · Mar 28, 2015

Interpretations belong to God NOT to men.

Woe to men who interpret the Word of God.

It is God and only God that will reveal His Word to whomever He so chooses to reveal it too. Woe to them who interpret the Word of God via their own intelligence, their own thinking, their own mind. This is why there are hundreds of versions of the Bible, this is why there are hundreds of different denominations, because men took thought to interpret the Word of God based on their own logic, their own thinking, their own understanding, their own intelligence. satan loves it when men interpret the Word of God.

False Doctrines exist today, because men interpret the Word of God. False beliefs exist today, because people believe them that teach those false doctrines. It is not wonder to me, that we are in the Last Days, Everyone has their own doctrine, their own interpretations, their own beliefs. The Scriptures plainly teach for us to have ONE mind, to think the same thing. The Church Body is so divided it is pathetic. Like a crime scene where the ear is over there, and a hand is in the trash can, and a foot over there in a box, and pieces of the Body scattered all over the place, none of them belonging to the same Body any more. All separated, NOT a Body. All because men started interpreting the Word of God by and through their own selves, through their own thinking, their own logic, then teach others what they THINK is the Truth based on what they interpreted the Bible to mean. A Greater Woe to those who teach their own interpretations, and woe to those who believe them as well.

Again. INTERPRETATIONS BELONG TO GOD, NOT TO MEN.

God reveals to whom God will reveal it. Woe to all those who think they know the Truth based on their own interpretations, their own understanding, they shall not escape His Wrath. Who are you to interpret the Word of God? If God wants you to know, understand, and teach His Truths, God will reveal the Truth to you, and it will not be from your own mind, your own understanding, nor your own thinking.

^i^

forsha · Mar 29, 2015

Enga said:

There is a lot that we do not understand as to why God allows some things to happen, and why he limits some things. The word (bible) to dumbfound the wise and prudent man, so that man will not take credit for understanding it, and God reveals some of the truths within it to those who have denied themselves and are not trusting their own intellect to understand it. That's why there are so many different doctrines taught in this world. There is only one true doctrine and that is the doctrine of Jesus Christ which God reveals to only a few, and that's one of the things that I do not understand, as to why doesn't he reveal it to all of his children. In Matthew 13-14, it talks about two gates, a wide gate and a strait gate. I believe that the people that enter the wide gate are Gods born again children who are believing and preaching false doctrines and not the doctrine of Christ. Those who enter the strait gate are those that God has revealed the doctrine of Christ to and there be few that find it.

forsha · Mar 29, 2015

mikeuk said:

You will not like the answer, but it is indisputably true.
Because Sola scriptura "bible alone" itself is the problem.

Bible alone is not biblical!
Where in the bible does it say that something has to be in the bible to be true?
Bible alone is not logical!
And because it is not in the bible, it is therefore false in logic too - if the ultimate truth is "all necessary truth is contained in the bible (people even isagree on the meaning of sola scriptura) - then that ultimate truth should be in the bible, and it is not, so sola scriptura is logically false.
Bible alone is not historic!
When Jesus gave us the new covenant, he said "do this" not "write this". So few of the apostles did write, and what we know as the new testament was a couple of centuries in the making. For the early Christians truth was passed by word of mouth and tradition which is why apostle Paul tells you to stay hold true to the traditions told by "word of mouth and scripture" Scripture for Paul was the OT. The NT did not then exist.

So what do we know?
The bible (as for example Pauls letters) are hard to understand on its own. Even Peter says so in 2 peter 3:16
We are urged against private interpretation proverbs 3-5

Asking the spirit for guidance is not the answer either...
The idea that learned men asking the holy spirit for guidance will come to the same conclusion is proven totally false.
By the fact of tens of thousands of protestant denominations and schisms, and who knows how many "one man" denominations preaching "their version" of the truth. The holy spirit has only one truth, so most who say so are misguided.

So what is the truth?
The bible says "the pillar and foundation of truth is the church" NOT the bible..1 timothy 3:15
So then you ask which church? and the answer can hardly be any of the recent sects, formed as a fracture from a recent sect, destined to fracture in to more.
See the thread "heartbreaking" to see what happens when man ( a head pastor) is allowed to decide doctrine http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/109003-just-so-heartbreaking.html

Luther abhorred this saying every milkmaid had their own doctrine!
He said towards the end of his life:

“There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.”

Luther was even more critical of the non denominational one man factions arising from self interpretation.

"In matters of faith, to be sure, each Christian is for himself Pope and Church.” “There will be the greatest confusion. Nobody will allow himself to be led by another man’s doctrine or authority. Everyone will be his own rabbi: hence, the greatest scandals.”
Notice the arguments on this forum!

He concludes wryly:
"If God had not closed my eyes, and if I had foreseen these scandals, I would never have begun to teach the gospel."
"If the world lasts, it will be necessary, on account of the differing interpretations of Scripture which now exist, that to preserve the unity of faith, we should receive the Catholic councils and decrees and fly to them for refuge."

That lack of authority in the light of disputes and clear ambiguities is why there are so many fractures

So the question is authority? Who speaks on behalf of the church?

The mark of a true denomination is one whose doctrine has lasted essentially unchanged for millenia.
There is only one. The early church was sacramental. Liturgical. Believed in real presence. Authority of bishops and succession. So conclude where logic takes you. You will not like the answer.

This exactly why the many different ways of believing has become, because man would rather accept man's interpretations instead of relying on the inspired word of God.

kedge · Mar 29, 2015

Enga said:

Is this person in this scripture taken from the bible be a cause and effect?

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

kedge · Mar 29, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

So how does anyone know if they can't see or talk to God in person?

godskidisfree · Mar 30, 2015

Enga said:

there is so many interpretations cause many say they believe in GOD but do they really? JESUS died for us all to give us life and life more abundtly. most people do not like to hear this but if we are to share in JESUS glory then we must suffer in his suffering. are we or are we not he servents? servents means we are to go be his hands and feet and spread his word and be nice and love one another even to the one who is not very nice to you. james 1 I believe it is james says faith without deeds is dead just like deeds without faith is dead. if we boast it should be in Christ alone. JESUS did not die for no reason. he came for the lost and to the believers he gave us authority and power thru him, nothing can be done without him but theres so many interpretations cause people seem not to believe they have that power thru Christ and try to walk in front of god or just don't believe they have that power from jesus.

Jeff_56 · Mar 30, 2015

rcc and all the other anti-christ religions expect people NOT TO TALK TO YAHWEH(the creator).

if anyone talks to yahweh in person, and listens to him and does what he says .... he saves them.

kedge said:

[h=1]Psalm 53 Revised Standard Version (RSV)[/h] [h=3]Denunciation of Godlessness[/h][h=4]To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David.[/h]53 The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity;
there is none that does good.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]God looks down from heaven
upon the sons of men
to see if there are any that are wise,
that seek after God.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]They have all fallen away;
they are all alike depraved;
there is none that does good,
no, not one.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Have those who work evil no understanding,
who eat up my people as they eat bread,
and do not call upon God?

[SUP]5 [/SUP]There they are, in great terror,
in terror such as has not been!
For God will scatter the bones of the ungodly;[SUP][a][/SUP]
they will be put to shame,[SUP][b][/SUP] for God has rejected them.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]O that deliverance for Israel would come from Zion!
When God restores the fortunes of his people,
Jacob will rejoice and Israel be glad.

[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]

Psalm 53:5 Cn Compare Gk Syr: Heb him who encamps against you
Psalm 53:5 Gk: Heb you will put to shame

fredjames · Mar 30, 2015

Enga said:

Because they have gone ahead of CHRIST's words/teachings and have received a different 'christ' and a different 'spirit'.

MaggieMye · Apr 2, 2015

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Deliver · Apr 2, 2015

The "church" is built up from its foundation to today. Revelation came bit by bit to men... like Luther. That is part of the church ages.
So out of those truths, churches were formed.
Then someone new would receive revelation and some would move on, and some wouldn't. Some would stay "stuck" on a certain revelation and not progress further. Some churches got so far off the truth that ordained men would have to bring it back to the original faith. There were dark ages when almost all were wiped out from The Catholic Church. There were times when the true believers had to overcome. But through it all, God had someone with the truth.
And now, it is a turning of the hearts of the children to their fathers. A restoration of the faith.
God uses men - He has all throughout history. He promised to reveal things hidden in Revelation in the last day. That is, the beginning, the history of the church ages, the current times and the future mysteries.
I fully believe it will be as it has been in the past, that God will reveal it and someone will have the truth because He always has someone with the truth.
And as for the reason why there are so many variations of denominations and interpretations, that is why. Churches come into a truth, a bit of revelation and they say "This is it." And don't progress further. They set up rules and become legal and kill out the Holy Spirit from being able to move freely. They don't want to know anything else besides what their church says, and therefore God cannot show them anything new - any revelation as He promised He would reveal in Revelation.

Then also, it is pride and someone wanting to be the one with the right revelation. Everyone wants to reveal what Revelation means and everyone has their own ideas and they want a following, and if they're lucky, they get one, and a new church is formed.
There are people who haven't moved on for centuries and there are people who run ahead. It's all about balance.

In reality, if God has a man who has the right interpretation of the Word, God is going to back that man, and prove to His people that He is appointed for the job and to listen to Him.

thebesttrees · Apr 3, 2015

Enga said:

The Bible is very emphatic that one MUST NOT interpret, rather one must exercise caution and understand that his knowledge is only partial and will be done away with at the Return. We are advised to love one another until the Return occurs. Until then, let no one boast of his understanding as the correct one as it might as well be completely wrong. Please see 1 Corinthians 13

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

godskidisfree · Apr 4, 2015

thebesttrees said:

The Bible is very emphatic that one MUST NOT interpret, rather one must exercise caution and understand that his knowledge is only partial and will be done away with at the Return. We are advised to love one another until the Return occurs. Until then, let no one boast of his understanding as the correct one as it might as well be completely wrong. Please see 1 Corinthians 13

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

amen you got it thebesttrees

DiscipleDave · Apr 10, 2015

DiscipleDave said

kedge said:

You do error thinking that God does not speak to people today. Is it not written God is the same yesterday, today, and forever? i have had many conversations with God. Call me crazy, call me what you will, but if i am lying let the worse painful, long death find me, and not only me, but all those that i love as well.

^i^ Responding to Post # 205

SAVAS · Apr 17, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

If you have loved or been loved, you not only have spoke with God but experienced God and his energies to some degree.

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