Bible verses that are slightly baffling?

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TM19782017

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I have not read the entire bible yet but, maybe some others can shed some light on these?

#1 "Hold Fast to your wife" ?
#2 Jesus saying, "Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come." ?
#3 Who was the serpent? The name came came from Eve and supposedly The man named all the beasts.....How did Eve even know what that word meant?

As for #3, I can only assume that Adam was right next to Eve the whole time......And when Adam and Eve became 2 beings, she sort of knew the truth that Adam was told....That is why she repeated it to about 80% accuracy....It almost seems that once Adam (Man) became 2 bodies, even Adam was questioning what God commanded...Imagine seeing a beautiful naked women with your eyes and being forced to resist that.....Very tough for the majority of men....Especially when he knew she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh...However, if God's voice to Adam was mesmerized by Eve's beauty, maybe God know's that the only way for man to return to ONE body is by caving in to the beauty of a women made especially for you.

Thoughts?
 
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Adam was asleep when the rib was removed,
 

Budman

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#1 "Hold Fast to your wife" ?
In context of the verse, it means to "cleave" (have sexual relations) with one's wife.

"Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come." ?
Jesus was on His own timetable to reveal Himself as Messiah by performing miracles, which was the reason for the slight rebuke. But, for the sake of Mary, He performed His first public miracle.

Who was the serpent?
Satan in the guise of a snake. Either possessing one, or simply controlling and speaking through one.

The name came came from Eve and supposedly The man named all the beasts.....How did Eve even know what that word meant?
Either God brought it to her mind, or (the most likely in my opinion) Adam told her what all he had named.
 

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Imagine seeing a beautiful naked women with your eyes and being forced to resist that.....Very tough for the majority of men....Especially when he knew she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh...
In Genesis 1:28 Adam and Eve are commanded to go forth and multiply, which is before the fall. Why do you think Adam was forced to resist his wife? She was given to him as a mate specifically because no other animal/created being was appropriate for him.
 
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In context of the verse, it means to "cleave" (have sexual relations) with one's wife.



Jesus was on His own timetable to reveal Himself as Messiah by performing miracles, which was the reason for the slight rebuke. But, for the sake of Mary, He performed His first public miracle.



Satan in the guise of a snake. Either possessing one, or simply controlling and speaking through one.



Either God brought it to her mind, or (the most likely in my opinion) Adam told her what all he had named.
Do you read the NIV, I’ve heard many say that about the miracle in Cana, I prefer the KJV IMO cause there’s nothing to say it was the first micacle just the the beginning in Cana.

John 2
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
 

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Do you read the NIV, I’ve heard many say that about the miracle in Cana, I prefer the KJV IMO cause there’s nothing to say it was the first micacle just the the beginning in Cana.

John 2
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
Well, it was certainly the first recorded miracle of Jesus. Which makes sense regarding the verse in question.
 
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Well, it was certainly the first recorded miracle of Jesus. Which makes sense regarding the verse in question.
That depends, i think it’s safe to say Jesus disciples were invited to the wedding as well.

If I recall in the beginning of the gospels didn’t Jesus tell peter to cast the net overboard and a whole lot of fish were in the net, IMO that seems like a miracle. It’s possible he knew just were a whole school of fish would be.
 
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Or when Simons mother in law was sick.
 

Budman

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That depends, i think it’s safe to say Jesus disciples were invited to the wedding as well.

If I recall in the beginning of the gospels didn’t Jesus tell peter to cast the net overboard and a whole lot of fish were in the net, IMO that seems like a miracle. It’s possible he knew just were a whole school of fish would be.
Well, the Bible says turning water into wine was "the first of His signs". (John 2:11)
 
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This is what I don’t like about the NIV, sometimes they through their own opinions into the verse as such below.

NIV
11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

KJV
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Quite different in translations.
 
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To me it’s baffling why folks think that catching a load of fish just were Jesus says to place the nets wasn’t a miracle, maybe it wasn’t maybe he was a better fishermen and knew the hot spots for a boat load of fish in just one lowering of the net.
 

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I have not read the entire bible yet but, maybe some others can shed some light on these?

#1 "Hold Fast to your wife" ?
#2 Jesus saying, "Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come." ?
#3 Who was the serpent? The name came came from Eve and supposedly The man named all the beasts.....How did Eve even know what that word meant?

As for #3, I can only assume that Adam was right next to Eve the whole time......And when Adam and Eve became 2 beings, she sort of knew the truth that Adam was told....That is why she repeated it to about 80% accuracy....It almost seems that once Adam (Man) became 2 bodies, even Adam was questioning what God commanded...Imagine seeing a beautiful naked women with your eyes and being forced to resist that.....Very tough for the majority of men....Especially when he knew she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh...However, if God's voice to Adam was mesmerized by Eve's beauty, maybe God know's that the only way for man to return to ONE body is by caving in to the beauty of a women made especially for you.

Thoughts?
Who says Adam wasn't allowed to touch Eve? He is called her husband.
Both were sinless and hadn't known temptation (until the serpent).
It even says they were naked and unashamed.
Verse 6 says "she also gave some to her husband, who was with her". So we know where he was.
Where are either questioning God? It wasn't until the arrival of the serpent that defiance began.
Why would we need to return to one body?
Eve was the only one created for another. Beyond that there is no other created the same way, thus there is nothing to return to.
 

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That depends, i think it’s safe to say Jesus disciples were invited to the wedding as well.

If I recall in the beginning of the gospels didn’t Jesus tell peter to cast the net overboard and a whole lot of fish were in the net, IMO that seems like a miracle. It’s possible he knew just were a whole school of fish would be.
Jesus cast out demons before the fishing incident or even healing Peter's mother, and many others as well...
 
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Jesus cast out demons before the fishing incident or even healing Peter's mother, and many others as well...
It seems the Cana wedding would have to be right out of the gate for that miracle to be the first IMO.
 
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This bible translation below, gots to be the worse I’ve seen thus far.

Chapter 11
Contemporary English Version
This was Jesus' first miracle, and he did it in the village of Cana in Galilee. There Jesus showed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.
 

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The Cana wedding parable is like the parable in Mark 5 used to represent the wedding in heaven this when we receive our new bodies (no longer male nor female Jew nor gentile) and consummate promise as his chaste virgin bride.

There as the Holy Spirit worked in the woman giving her a desire to made whole or perfect . In a sense wanting to touch the cloth of the bridegroom, Christ as searching for the gospel meaning in those parables

Jesus having been "touched" in a personal way knowing in himself that virtue, as a high moral standard reserved for the intimacy of the bride and the husband had gone out of him before the time had come.

For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing. But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth. And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague .Mark 5:28-32

Women know best.
 
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The Cana wedding parable is like the parable in Mark 5 used to represent the wedding in heaven this when we receive our new bodies (no longer male nor female Jew nor gentile) and consummate promise as his chaste virgin bride.

There as the Holy Spirit worked in the woman giving her a desire to made whole or perfect . In a sense wanting to touch the cloth of the bridegroom, Christ as searching for the gospel meaning in those parables

Jesus having been "touched" in a personal way knowing in himself that virtue, as a high moral standard reserved for the intimacy of the bride and the husband had gone out of him before the time had come.

For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing. But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth. And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague .Mark 5:28-32

Women know best.
I don’t think the wedding was a parable but I think the wedding was his sisters wedding, resason why Mary was concerned about how smoothly it went a worldly view, not a good wedding if the wine runs out before the end of the reception.
 

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I have not read the entire bible yet but, maybe some others can shed some light on these?

#1 "Hold Fast to your wife" ?
#2 Jesus saying, "Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come." ?
#3 Who was the serpent? The name came came from Eve and supposedly The man named all the beasts.....How did Eve even know what that word meant?

As for #3, I can only assume that Adam was right next to Eve the whole time......And when Adam and Eve became 2 beings, she sort of knew the truth that Adam was told....That is why she repeated it to about 80% accuracy....It almost seems that once Adam (Man) became 2 bodies, even Adam was questioning what God commanded...Imagine seeing a beautiful naked women with your eyes and being forced to resist that.....Very tough for the majority of men....Especially when he knew she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh...However, if God's voice to Adam was mesmerized by Eve's beauty, maybe God know's that the only way for man to return to ONE body is by caving in to the beauty of a women made especially for you.

Thoughts?
Caving in to the beauty of a woman made especially for me would not be a very hard thing to do at all. There was absolutely no need for Adam to resist that beautiful naked woman and good thing too or we would not be here.
 
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Though I don’t prefer the NIV I’m using it here for simplicity in language, I don’t have it in other translations yet.

John 2: 1~2
1 The third day, there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee. Jesus’ mother and brothers was there. 2 Jesus also was invited, with his disciples, to the wedding.

The parable of the sower
Matthew 13: 1~23
1 On that day Jesus went out of the house, and sat by the lake. 2 Great multitudes gathered to him, so that he entered into a boat, and sat, and all the multitude stood on the shore.
3 He spoke to them many things in parables, saying, “Behold, a farmer went out to sow. 4 As he sowed some seeds fell by the roadside, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Others fell on rocky ground, where they didn’t have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of earth. 6 When the sun had risen, they were scorched. Because they had no root, they withered away. 7 Others fell among thorns. The thorns grew up and choked them. 8 Others fell on good soil, and yielded fruit: some one hundred times as much, some sixty, and some thirty.
9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
10 The disciples came, and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered them, “To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but it is not given to them. 12 for who ever has, to him will be given and he will have abundance, but whoever doesn’t have, from him will be taken away even that which he has.
13 therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they don’t see, and hearing, they don’t hear, neither do they understand. 14 In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says, ‘By hearing you will hear, and will in no way understand; Seeing you will see, and will in no way perceive:
15 for this people’s heart has grown callous, their ears are dull of hearing, they have closed their eyes; or else perhaps they might perceive with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and would turn again; and I would heal them. 16 “But blessed are your eyes, for they see; and your ears, for they hear. 17 For most certainly I tell you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see the things which you see, and didn’t see them; and to hear the things which you hear, and didn’t hear them. 18 “Hear, then, the parable of the farmer. 19 When anyone hears the word of the Kingdom, and doesn’t understand it, the evil one comes, and snatches away that which has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown by the roadside. 20 What was sown on the rocky places, this is he who hears the word, and immediately with joy receives it; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while. When oppression or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 What was sown among the thorns, this is he who hears the word, but the cares of this age and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 What was sown on the good ground, this is he who hears the word, and understands it, who most certainly bears fruit, and produces, some one hundred times as much, some sixty, and some thirty.”

The parable of the weeds
Matthew 13: 24~30
24 He set another parable before them, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25 but while people slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel weeds also among the wheat, and went away. 26 But when the blade sprang up and produced fruit, then the darnel weeds appeared also. 27 The servants of the householder came and said to him, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where did these darnel weeds come from?’ 28 “He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and gather them up?’ 29 “But he said, ‘No, lest perhaps while you gather up, the darnel weeds you root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest time I will tell the reapers, “First, gather up the darnel weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

The parables of the mustard seed and the yeast
Matthew 13: 31~35
31 He set another parable before them, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field. 32 which indeed is smaller than all seeds, But when it is grown, it is greater than the herbs, and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in its branches.”
33 He spoke another parable to them. “The Kingdom of Heaven is like yeast, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, until it was all leavened.”

Jesus’ Mother and brothers wanting speak to him
Matthew 12: 46~50
46 While he was speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to him. 47 One said to him, “Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to you.” 48 But he answered him who spoke to him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 He stretched out his hand toward his disciples, and said, “Behold, my mother and my brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.”