Big day for Uganda... Perversion of Christianity?

[LaylieCalmMind]

I'm honestly very surprised we don't have many people talking about this. This is actually huge news, and very tragic. I guess I'd just like to raise awareness, as barely anyone seems to know about it, and wouldn't mind hearing a few opinions on it. Oh, and please, let's talk about the bill and related things specifically, no need to turn this into another argument which has happened over and over again.

Here's the basics... Uganda is a Christian nation, in the sense that the vast majority are of the religion. Ugandan Parliament is scheduled to vote today (Friday, May 13) on the 'Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill' which would sentence all homosexuals to death, including those who have already been convicted, for which there is currently a 7 year prison sentence for. The bill is expected to pass based on polls, but the US has already said it would withdraw all foreign aid if it passes, so that may change some minds.

This is a big deal, and it's happening today. I'm worked up about it as is, but back when I was a Christian I would have been just as upset, because they would be killing these people in the name of my god, which would be very saddening. What I would consider to be a perversion of my faith. That's my personal opinion, I think it's disgusting that a bill like this has even the slightest chance of passing, let alone will likely go through.

 

[pickles]

Wrong will be made right, and right will be made wrong.
How sad that this is becoming more prevalent each day.
As christains we must continue to help and serve where we are called.
To speak to all truth in Jesus Christ is Lord.
But as christians, we need to be prepared for the cost of living in Jesus Christ is Lord.
I praise God that the cost is nothing, in the eternal life we will recieve!

God bless.
pickles

 

[Adrianv125]

sadly, the United States of America was also founded upon Christianity and the bible and look at where it is at right now. I consider this political decision as non-Christian at all, telling you more about who really is leading that country. This decision is by no means done by the body of Christ, since this is something that obviously goes against the knowledge of Christ.

 

[pickles]

sadly, the United States of America was also founded upon Christianity and the bible and look at where it is at right now. I consider this political decision as non-Christian at all, telling you more about who really is leading that country. This decision is by no means done by the body of Christ, since this is something that obviously goes against the knowledge of Christ.

In many ways those in power here in the U.S. are implimenting laws that will make being a christian a criminal act.
Most of these laws for now simply want christians to be silent and invisable.
The trully sad part is, that those in power are acting for their own ideas of what is good.
Those seen in news and tv are not trully who americans are.
Christianity is growing again here in the U.S., many are no longer simply claiming christianity, they are now living and professing their faith in Jesus.
I do see a dividing happening, one is christian, or one rejects.
One can see this in our elections, the decisive votes are almost 1/2 and 1/2!
The hope of many in Jesus is that this country will step forward in Jesus, and bring this foundation not back, but to the forfront of this nation, while still accepting all in freedom.
Time will tell though.

God bless.
pickles

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

In many ways those in power here in the U.S. are implimenting laws that will make being a christian a criminal act.

This is completely incorrect. But it's also irrelevant, let's try to stay on the real topic... This Ugandan bill, should peaceful Christians everywhere condemn what Ugandan Christians are doing?

 

[Adrianv125]

All we can do is disagree, pray to God He will do something about this, ask Him to forgive these people who passed this law who clearly don't know what they are doing in light of God's word.

 

[pickles]

This is completely incorrect. But it's also irrelevant, let's try to stay on the real topic... This Ugandan bill, should peaceful Christians everywhere condemn what Ugandan Christians are doing?

Agreed, disscuss in another post.

God bless.
pickles

 

[pickles]

The sad part is, both this law proposed, and withdrawing aid are wrong.
Uganda shuld not pass this law.
But to punish those in great need of this aid, is wrong as well.
So the real question here is, as christians, how can we witness to this christian nation?
I wonder if this law is more a way to combat the high aids eppidemic that is there?
Ive seen nothing in our news here on this, is there more information where you live?

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

 

[AnandaHya]

This is a big deal, and it's happening today. I'm worked up about it as is, but back when I was a Christian I would have been just as upset, because they would be killing these people in the name of my god, which would be very saddening. What I would consider to be a perversion of my faith. That's my personal opinion, I think it's disgusting that a bill like this has even the slightest chance of passing, let alone will likely go through.

I think it is very wrong and I will give you Bible verses that support that it is AGAINST God's plan for us. God told us to love our enemies, bless those who curse us. To allow GOD justice and vengeance room to work and not take it into our own hands.God tells us that ANGELS will harvest and divide the just from the unjust and not to judge anyone before their time. I don't think that means not defending yourself or your loved ones against attack but as much as in your ability we are to live peacefully with our fellow men and not make war on things and issues that do not pertain to salvation. We are to help people overcome their sin and not condemn them and kill them while they are still unrepentant of that sin because then they will be casted into Hell unless through God's grace and mercy they are saved.

there are more Bible verses but here is a key one that people should remember that God demands LOVE not blood sacrifices. if they think they can judge people unto death, then they are not worshiping the God of the Bible. They are worshiping a legalistic "god" that has deceived and tried to claim to be GOD since before time unknown. He goes by the names: Lucifer, Satan that dragon, serpent of old who likes to wear the cloaks of an angel of light but inside is a cesspool of dead things, lies and hatred for all things of God. Do not be deceived and mislead by his lies. many will be.


Luke 6:27-35 (New King James Version)

Love Your Enemies


27 “But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. 31 And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
32 “But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.

why so many prayers go unanswered:

James 4:3-5 (New King James Version)

3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

are you praying to GOD as God has demanded you pray or are praying out of SELF desires and not being lead by the HOLY SPIRIT? God's children are called to be perfect as God our Heavenly Father is perfect. many receive the seed and have no roots so the plant dies. or the cares of the world chokes out the seed or the enemy comes and Steals it for Satan is a thief and would take all good things from God's children if he was able, but many will say they are God's and Christ's but Jesus will tell them to depart for He NEVER KNEW them.

 

[AnandaHya]

here are some articles on the subject:

BBC News - Uganda gay death penalty rejected by Pastor Ssempa

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push - NYTimes.com

I believe we should pray and ask God what He wants us to do about the situation.

Dear Lord We ask the You lead us and show us Your ways and reveal us YOUR heart on this subject. We lift up those suffering and in need, hungry starving and crying in body, mind and soul in need of Your saving Grace. Lord let us be Your hands and feet, allow us to do YOUR will for YOUR GLORY and not move and do things that go against Your Holy name. May our thoughts and words and meditations be pleasing in Your sight. In Jesus name we pray Amen.

YouTube - Josh Wilson - I Refuse

I refuse to listen to the voices of darkness that surround us. Let your light shine before all nations. We are not a country but a Church of Living Stones built by GOD not by hands of men. Nations will rise and fall but GOD is eternal. Don't get distracted by the waves, listen to the VOICE of TRUTH.

 

[Forlorn-Hope]

Ive known about this for a while now, I found it disgusting when I heard about it and I find it disgusting now.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

The sad part is, both this law proposed, and withdrawing aid are wrong.
Uganda shuld not pass this law.
But to punish those in great need of this aid, is wrong as well.
So the real question here is, as christians, how can we witness to this christian nation?
I wonder if this law is more a way to combat the high aids eppidemic that is there?
Ive seen nothing in our news here on this, is there more information where you live?

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

Well I'm happy to see that you (and many others) think the bill is wrong. But I'd like to take this a step further and say that the US is right in withdrawing aid. See in doing that we're doing what we can to save the people in danger of being murdered by their government. They're massively violating human rights and when we send them aid we're supporting that. Homosexuals in the US would be paying taxes that would go to Uganda to help pay to arrest and murder Ugandan homosexuals, does this seem right to you? The foreign aid money goes to the Ugandan government, the one that's about to pretty much commit genocide.

As for witnessing to them, I think we've done enough of that. A big thing that sparked this anti-homosexual movement was evangelical missionaries from the west, who were what I would consider poor quality Christians. But the point is, western Christianity did help cause this.

 

[zone]

sadly, the United States of America was also founded upon Christianity and the bible and look at where it is at right now. I consider this political decision as non-Christian at all, telling you more about who really is leading that country. This decision is by no means done by the body of Christ, since this is something that obviously goes against the knowledge of Christ.

but this is the fruit of The Third Wave Dominionists.

 

[zone]

This is completely incorrect. But it's also irrelevant, let's try to stay on the real topic... This Ugandan bill, should peaceful Christians everywhere condemn what Ugandan Christians are doing?

no, Pickles is absolutely correct.
and its hardly irrelevant.

how come you deny ADL generated HATE CRIME LAWS aimed at Christians, and want to focus ONLY on the fruit of Dominionism which is not Christianity at all (funnily enough they are related)?

btw: how come you're no longer a Christian?

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

no, Pickles is absolutely correct.
and its hardly irrelevant.

how come you deny ADL generated HATE CRIME LAWS aimed at Christians, and want to focus ONLY on the fruit of Dominionism which is not Christianity at all (funnily enough they are related)?

btw: how come you're no longer a Christian?

This is not even slightly true... But it's irrelevant. I want to keep this thread on topic, I really do. There's still many who don't know about this tragedy, and many whose opinions haven't been heard yet. I'd like to discuss this issue in this topic, not get sidetracked.

However, if you would like to ask me questions about my loss of my own faith, feel free to PM me about it. If you want to talk about why you feel that the US is making Christianity a crime, you can PM me or start a new thread about it...

btw: I'd still like to hear what you think about the topic! Any and all input accepted.

 

[Narbolgium]

I'm honestly very surprised we don't have many people talking about this. This is actually huge news, and very tragic. I guess I'd just like to raise awareness, as barely anyone seems to know about it, and wouldn't mind hearing a few opinions on it. Oh, and please, let's talk about the bill and related things specifically, no need to turn this into another argument which has happened over and over again.

Here's the basics... Uganda is a Christian nation, in the sense that the vast majority are of the religion. Ugandan Parliament is scheduled to vote today (Friday, May 13) on the 'Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill' which would sentence all homosexuals to death, including those who have already been convicted, for which there is currently a 7 year prison sentence for. The bill is expected to pass based on polls, but the US has already said it would withdraw all foreign aid if it passes, so that may change some minds.

This is a big deal, and it's happening today. I'm worked up about it as is, but back when I was a Christian I would have been just as upset, because they would be killing these people in the name of my god, which would be very saddening. What I would consider to be a perversion of my faith. That's my personal opinion, I think it's disgusting that a bill like this has even the slightest chance of passing, let alone will likely go through.

This is a good example of one of the evils of democracy: it's a dictatorship of the majority. It doesn't in any way concern itself with questions of right and wrong. We have the same problem here in the US and all other democratic nations.

In any case, this is merely one example of the chaos and anarchy that is so prevalent throughout the entire continent of Africa. It's a sad state of affairs, but, unfortunately, the government in Uganda could care less what we think.

As far as cutting their foreign aid goes, I'm all for it. We don't have the resources for that anyway.

 

[oncemore]

This is a good example of one of the evils of democracy: it's a dictatorship of the majority. It doesn't in any way concern itself with questions of right and wrong. We have the same problem here in the US and all other democratic nations.

In any case, this is merely one example of the chaos and anarchy that is so prevalent throughout the entire continent of Africa. It's a sad state of affairs, but, unfortunately, the government in Uganda could care less what we think.

As far as cutting their foreign aid goes, I'm all for it. We don't have the resources for that anyway.

PLEASE do not forget that what this thread is saying is right. But one sould not forgot the new world order. So its easy for them in power to call Uganda in line there is many things there could do cutting their aud its just one of them. STAY IN CHRIST.

 

[Narbolgium]

PLEASE do not forget that what this thread is saying is right. But one sould not forgot the new world order. So its easy for them in power to call Uganda in line there is many things there could do cutting their aud its just one of them. STAY IN CHRIST.

Like what, military intervention? Your country can do what it wants so long as it's footing the bill. As for me I have more important things to be concerned about.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

Like what, military intervention? Your country can do what it wants so long as it's footing the bill. As for me I have more important things to be concerned about.

Well it's very difficult to do given the political state of the world, but for nations that violate human rights so horribly as this, I would support cutting them off from the global economy. That would force change, save lives.

 

[oncemore]

Like what, military intervention? Your country can do what it wants so long as it's footing the bill. As for me I have more important things to be concerned about.

If you knew where i am from? You not be talking any bills to me.