Building upon a lie

[Chester]

Come on Chester...if you want to go to heaven you have to be 100% right on everything!...lol

Now here is where we could say "Are you being manipulative in saying "I'll stick with the straight forward word of God."

This means that your interpretation is what the word of God is really saying and not what the other person is saying it is - well because it is "straight forward".....just teasing ya'........this is kind of like the same principle as when you asked me a similar question that we joked about.

The reality is that "we all think we are interpreting the word of God straight forward".

We all know that without the Holy Spirit showing us the truth - we don't have a clue as our so-called straight forward look at the word doesn't necessarily mean it is the correct one.

We all know in part and we all need each other. You have parts that we need and others have parts that you need.

Together the Holy Spirit puts things together for us as we depend totally on Him. Line upon line and precept upon precept.

You're exactly right! I was being manipulative, wasn't I?

Yes, I was - I'll just admit it -- Sorry Eph610!

Doesn't change the fact (my view that you are wrong in your interpretation . . .

 

[Grace777x70]

You're exactly right! I was being manipulative, wasn't I?

Yes, I was - I'll just admit it -- Sorry Eph610!

Doesn't change the fact (my view that you are wrong in your interpretation . . .

That was a good one....however the truth still is that all of us truly believe that we are reading scripture right....

I don't think you were intentionally manipulative as you do believe what you said to be true....and that is perfectly fine.... but your comment here was funny..it made me burst out laughing.

 

[Grace777x70]

Perhaps this is what we are like in some areas of truth....this is what an "elephant" looks like from my point of view...

 

[Stephen63]

What I described leaves you speechless because it has exploded your brain cells...you have no answer for what I said, because you have never truly encountered empowering grace......and you are stuck in a real rock and hard place...you cannot deny one single thing I said, but your mind says otherwise, because decades of religious tradition tell you it cannot be that easy....there is no way that Jesus operates this way....

Challenging me to make me mad or find occasion to find fault. Usually a second conspirator waits to find the fault & accuse.

There is no such thing as hyper grace....there is saving grace and when you come to full age you enter into empowering grace, Peter called it the manifold grace of God....empowering grace helps do in your spirit what you can never do in your flesh, and is something conditional and works based Salvation theologians like you use to keep yourself and everyone around you in bondage...

Lie. Josepf Prince lays claim on this doctrine back in1979.

You are still stuck at saving grace and how you must earn the grace Father gave freely through the finished work of his son...
Come on man, enter into maturity and rest in his empowering grace, which is best defined in Titus 2.11-15

Proselyting.
Mat 23:15 NASB
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

Did you know that if you cannot enter into rest it is because of disbelief? One day you will stand before Jesus and tell him all the works you did and he will say....depart I never knew you<<<<<<<<<<<<<<The Greek word knew means the same thing as the Hebrew word knew and it is intimacy between a husband and wife....

Judging me as unsaved.

Jesus is telling us that those that strive with good works and do things in his name, but had no intimate relationship with him he will not acknowledge or approve of....This is rightly divided with what he says in Revelation....I would rather you be hot or cold, but not luke warm....luke warm is doing all those good works you try to shove on others to maintain salvation, your holiness, purity and righteousness....but you never entered into empowering grace, without empowering grace you cannot have true intimacy with Jesus and without that, you cannot know Father....being hot or cold means you are doing something in the relationship...

You don't know what you're talking about, & lukewarm doesn't mean that. It means exactly what it says..... lukewarm. Christians with a willful sinful life puts a bad taste in His mouth.

How tragic for you that you have no clue that your freedom is not found in what you do, but resting in what Jesus already did.

False compassion.The only thing you care about is winning this debate & proselyting christians to your false doctrine.

 

[Stephen63]

Come on Chester...if you want to go to heaven you have to be 100% right on everything!...lol

Now here is where we could say "Are you being manipulative in saying "I'll stick with the straight forward word of God."

He didn't say that..... you putting false definitions on his posts.You're the one that's manipulating.

This means that your interpretation is what the word of God is really saying and not what the other person is saying it is - well because it is "straight forward".....just teasing ya'........this is kind of like the same principle as when you asked me a similar question that we joked about.

The reality is that "we all think we are interpreting the word of God straight forward".

We all know that without the Holy Spirit showing us the truth - we don't have a clue as our so-called straight forward look at the word doesn't necessarily mean it is the correct one.

We all know in part and we all need each other. You have parts that we need and others have parts that you need.

Together the Holy Spirit puts things together for us as we depend totally on Him. Line upon line and precept upon precept.

Actually, the reason you need him is to convince him of your lie. He doesn't need you. Light doesn't need darkness.
You heard me correctly.....

 

[Stephen63]

That is why I encourage you to speak properly of heaven. You set yourself up as a teacher but then talk of going to heaven like someone with no Scriptural understanding of it. Our resurrected life following the judgement of all is to be lived on Earth unless you are one of the 144,000.

Yep, you caught one mistake, & blabbed it out to discredit him. Were you hoping to turn everyone against him?
Jus' showing you're no different than the rest that do this.....

 

[Grace777x70]

He didn't say that..... you putting false definitions on his posts.You're the one that's manipulating.Actually, the reason you need him is to convince him of your lie. He doesn't need you. Light doesn't need darkness.
You heard me correctly.....

LOL..Stephen...it is a joke between Chester and myself ...your malice is getting the best of you there buddy.

This is not who you really are in Christ. You know better than this...All is well between Chester and myself...we are loving brothers that honor each other.

 

[eph610]

Challenging me to make me mad or find occasion to find fault. Usually a second conspirator waits to find the fault & accuse.

Lie. Josepf Prince lays claim on this doctrine back in1979.

Proselyting.
Mat 23:15 NASB
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.


Judging me as unsaved.

You don't know what you're talking about, & lukewarm doesn't mean that. It means exactly what it says..... lukewarm. Christians with a willful sinful life puts a bad taste in His mouth.

False compassion.The only thing you care about is winning this debate & proselyting christians to your false doctrine.

Interesting that you still cannot comment on my first post to you, because my illustration lines up with the Word...

 

[PeterJens]

There is only 1 answer Peter and zero perspectives and you come up short, by trying to intermingle self-performance with position

Which is it?...the Bible says there is only 1 answer....the Bible deals in absolutes not perspectives...

This is why we have debates and in essence why the gnostic version of faith exists.

But read the parables. God is a farmer who sows a seed. The seed grows to harvest.

 

[eph610]

This is why we have debates and in essence why the gnostic version of faith exists.

But read the parables. God is a farmer who sows a seed. The seed grows to harvest.

Still spinning away eh Peter....

Once gain what is the answer?

Hint for you...Psalm 1

 

[PeterJens]

Let us look at what the Kingdom of God is like.
A mustard seed that grows into a great tree
A sower sowing seed that produces a crop
A jewel found and everything is sold to own it
A vine and we are the branches

If you know anything about plants they start as a seed and grow.
It is not fully formed or finished but it develops.

This is the walk of sanctification where are hearts are the soil.

But the model being put forward here is a fully mature believer from
the beginning, perfect, pure and holy. Just not there or real

 

[Chester]

LOL..Stephen...it is a joke between Chester and myself ...

All is well between Chester and myself...we are loving brothers that honor each other.

Amen!

And see my post #541 - I was being manipulative with my words. Thanks Grace777x70 for lovingly pointing it out to me!

and, yes, Stephen63, all is well between Grace 777x70 and I, but he does need me . . .

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen!

And see my post #541 - I was being manipulative with my words. Thanks Grace777x70 for lovingly pointing it out to me!

and, yes, Stephen63, all is well between Grace 777x70 and I, but he does need me . . .

Amen!...lol...we all need each other...we have to make sure you get to heaven......have a great weekend! Meet you in the air if the Lord comes for us this weekend.

 

[Chester]

Amen!...lol...we all need each other...we have to make sure you get to heaven......have a great weekend! Meet you in the air if the Lord comes for us this weekend.

Gotcha! We need each other . . .

Yes, you have to make sure I don't backslide and miss heaven

And - I have to make sure that you were really born again . . .

 

[Grace777x70]

Gotcha! We need each other so neither of us backslides and doesn't make it to heaven!!! LOL!

Gotcha!.......let's make sure we make ourselves good enough to make it to heaven just in case...LOL....

 

[PeterJens]

In this discussion it comes to mind the concept of a totally authentic act.
It is impossible to not do something that you could not argue has a selfish element to it.

But that misses the point. A good thing is a good thing. And an evil thing is an evil thing.
It is childhood innocence that assumes it is just simple, and a sinful cynical one that assumes
everything is evil. It is why purity matters, because when cynism and evil are removed from
ones sight you begin to see what innocense and good things are.

It is through growth and refinement that we start to make things whole, of Christ, rounded,
finished. To assume this is there completely from the beginning ignores what life is and how
we grow from babies, into children and from children into adults.

So what you emphasis matters and what you see makes you either alive and sighted or blind
and continually failing. To ignore sin is to deny its effect or value, to not look at love and goodness
is to ignore victory and fruit. So a movement that do not do both of these things is not going to
help anyone.

It is also why followers of this movement condemn basic christian values and traditions and end up
denying the gospel they claim to follow.

 

[masmpg]

If Peter, Paul, or any of the original disciples were here, and writing here on Christian chat how many of us would deny what they are saying? How many of us would recognize the truth which the bible teaches if we met Paul today? How many of us only hear what pastors and those who call themselves reverend, or have some sort of title, just because they have the title? Out of all the bible characters I know of maybe 6 that had formal education or were well off enough to have influence. Three of those 6 were murderers. So if the mass murderer Paul were to preach in your church would you even acknowledge that he is teaching the truth? What about the murderer Moses??? Or what about a fisherman who reeks of dead fish came and shared Jesus with you what would be your impression of him? Far too many of us follow a doctrine or a pastor or a whole denomination because we grew up with it. It is much harder to unlearn something than it is to learn it. I would say that most professors of Christianity have much to unlearn. God told us to study His word, not bits and pieces of it. Many denominations have their traditional doctrines with their out of context parts of verses. God wrote His word as a whole. To remove even a part of it. To overlook one verse because it does not agree with our preconceived views will leave us out of heaven. Many try to say that the whole Old Testament has no meaning today when in fact most of what Jesus Himself said were direct quotes from it.
I am going out on a limb here, but I believe that if Jesus were here today and He came to church we would do the same thing the pharisees of old did to Him. We would not recognize the Holy Spirit working in a stinky fisherman we knew as Peter. With our salvation on the line we need to know the voice of the Holy Spirit and His job. Those who think the Holy Spirit does not convict of sin must read their bibles because in my bible the KJV ONLY I am told in John:16:7&8: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:" If your counterfeit translation states anything different then this throw it in the trash! Jesus also tells us another job of the "Comforter" or Holy Spirit in John:14:26: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." The Holy Spirit will guide you into ALL truth (John 16:13) and bring to your remembrance whatever Jesus put into our minds through reading and studying His holy word the KJV bible. To argue against what is written in God's holy word the KJV bible, even if someone can find a counterfeit translation that states it differently, would be dangerous at best.