Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[lenna]

IF it is by your will that you decided to be saved and LET God save you then effectively your will overpowered Gods Will and made Him save you.

If it was Gods decision for you to be saved then it was Gods Will for you to be saved.


You just have to determine whose will it was that caused you to be saved. Then you will have the correct outlook on theology.

Well that is a really old and by now, overused Calvin Indoctrinated belief that does not line up with scripture

Who saves? why state we have to determine who caused us to be saved. we would only need to do that if we lacked faith in what scripture states

We have the correct outlook on the written word and the testimony of the Holy Spirit in our lives with Whom we cry 'Abba Father'

you may claim Calvin as your daddy (even though he did not even invent your little tulip recital), but it is a fact most Christians understand that Calvin's rhetoric did not fall far from Momma Catholic church

 

[EleventhHour]

Typical, the free will’er uses words they don’t understand to explain concepts they don’t understand and when people correct them they revise the position on which they stand. Understandable I suppose 😂

What happened you run out of memes?

Is that the best you can do... once again this is the "fruit" of Calvinism......denigrate, ridicule, mock etc.,
I understand words very well and sadly I understand your false dogma too well.

I know that "world" does not mean "elect"... perhaps you could start learning definitions.

 

[EleventhHour]

Well that is a really old and by now, overused Calvin Indoctrinated belief that does not line up with scripture

Who saves? why state we have to determine who caused us to be saved. we would only need to do that if we lacked faith in what scripture states

We have the correct outlook on the written word and the testimony of the Holy Spirit in our lives with Whom we cry 'Abba Father'

you may claim Calvin as your daddy (even though he did not even invent your little tulip recital), but it is a fact most Christians understand that Calvin's rhetoric did not fall far from Momma Catholic church

Amen!!!

Thank you.

Augustine and Calvin projected their own personalities, biases, beliefs, issues onto scripture rather than let scripture speak for itself.

 

[lenna]

And yet what we have seen throughout history is separation between those saved and those not.

God is not strong enough to make His Desires come to pass?

that is a very silly non sequitur and yet another very tired Calvin so called 'truism' it's really just an ism

 

[lenna]

God being Sovereign is not ungodly or distorted.

It is those who continue to worship their own will that have the distorted view that comes from an ungodly place.[/QUOTE]

exactly what Calvinists do. agreed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God being Sovereign is not ungodly or distorted.

It is those who continue to worship their own will that have the distorted view that comes from an ungodly place.

God can be sovereigns and still desire all men to be saved

 

[garee]

That's usually the response I get when I tell people who worship their own will that they in fact do worship their own will.

They get upset. They get mad.

What is so special about your will anyway? Isn't trading it for Gods Will a much better trade?

Exactly. Both working as one (Christ in us) to make our load of sufferings lighter .(the sabbath rest) . Unbelievers receive not rest from their own works .Like Cain the restless wanderers no promise of a new body no suffering. A marked man(666)

Shadow worshipers

Shadow worshippers. Rules That People Make .

Colossians 2:17-18 So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas.

Fleshy mind.. . The seat of the imagination of ones own heart.

Even the Son of man as a prophet apostle when tempted by a lying spirit who painted a vision in Jesus fleshly mind did the will of the Father. .

Jesus as the Son of man was powerless he did not rebuke him as the Son of man but spoke the words the father put on his lips .Three times he gave the prophet Jesus the words "as it is written " The power caused the lying spirit to leave .Strike three stuck him out.

Faith does not come as we experience the things of the flesh

Matherw 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Saying it doesn't make it true.

Every saved individual should know that there are things that they can no longer do. Even though they know they still want to.

We are, effectively, the puppet of God when we are saved. To use your analogy.


I prefer, His Workmanship, but you know, to each their own.

His workmanship saved me amen brother

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All people refuse.

They just didn't know they were refusing until they are saved.

?? Did not Paul say the opposite the n romans 1 bro?

 

[jackrosie]

That's usually the response I get when I tell people who worship their own will that they in fact do worship their own will.

They get upset. They get mad.

What is so special about your will anyway? Isn't trading it for Gods Will a much better trade?

Of course it is....how could it not be.

 

[jackrosie]

His workmanship saved me amen brother

You are his workmanship...in the here and now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your first 3 sentences I TOTALLY agreed with.

Your 4th sentence, your conclusion, I don't agree with.

There is nothing special that resides in those who will be saved vs those who won't be saved that causes them to make GREAT decisions.

It is merely the Lords Leading that causes those who will be saved to make those GREAT decisions.



I would like to focus on your sentence "So there has to be an explanation as to why some wont be saved".

Romans 9:21-23
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

I did not make a great decision. I just did as the tax collector did and became bancrupcy and cried out for mercy

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because you have to try before you realize you can't do it.

Try?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's usually the response I get when I tell people who worship their own will that they in fact do worship their own will.

They get upset. They get mad.

What is so special about your will anyway? Isn't trading it for Gods Will a much better trade?

What’s different in this than from people who claimed god chose them and not the other person. Could this not be deemed as worshiping self and how special you are?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Regeneration does precede the fruit of the spirit, faith. It has to. You can't produce fruit without being regenerated.

How in the wide world of sports could that possibly be un-biblical?

Amen your not producing fruit apart from regeneration
but how can you be regenerated in sin? That is the hardest aspect and the one point I can not cross

 

[lenna]

Why is one of the fruit of the spirit Faith?

fruit grows on trees or even bushes, but you would have fruit suspended in nothingness

the word 'fruit' is a metaphor for the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, to produce the character of Christ in us

the Holy Spirit does not work in a non believers life in that manner. you will not find such a thing as you state anywhere in the Bible

Jesus draws people as He states if He is lifted up He will DRAW (all men unto him..women too) . if you think that the faith a person has is caused by the Holy Spirit BEFORE they are saved, then WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE FRUIT?

HUH? WHERE'S IT AT?

here is Galatians 5 containing the description of the fruit of the Spirit

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Note that faith is actually translated faithfulness here, which is in keeping with the rest of the descriptions, rather than faith. The faithfulness is to God, to Christ....it is not the faith that saves, it is the faith that keeps a person IN Christ

But I digress, if a tulip person thinks they are regenerated BEFORE salvation, then where is the rest of the fruit?

I would tend to think they do not need salvation if they are already on board and loving, joyous, patient etc, little calvins running around such as the fine examples in this thread

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

What happened you run out of memes?

Is that the best you can do... once again this is the "fruit" of Calvinism......denigrate, ridicule, mock etc.,
I understand words very well and sadly I understand your false dogma too well.

I know that "world" does not mean "elect"... perhaps you could start learning definitions.

the Spirit would know best what it means. the Spirit and the writers of the Scriptures.


it is good to keep a somewhat open mind on things so to Allow the Spirit to speak.


for the Spirit knows more than we do. but We can learn more and more if we keep our minds open.

 

[lenna]

God can be sovereigns and still desire all men to be saved

it is obvious by now that God does sovereignly want all to be saved. It is Him alone that has that desire when compared to Calvinists because they would not be special if God really does want all to be saved

They would simply be like all the others God saves through the blood of Christ

Can't have that. Can't snap the suspenders on that one.

 

[lenna]

it is good to keep a somewhat open mind on things so to Allow the Spirit to speak.

or you could renew your mind by the word and the Holy Spirit could really prove what the good and perfect will of God is

what is the good and perfect will of God?

 

[garee]

Typical take a simple word, concept and streeeeeetch beyond what it is defined.

I merely mean it the sense that we have independence from God ...God does not overtly control us.

Yes the golden measure of faith. Not not overtly. Just enough to make our burden lighter as those working with Emanuel .
Without him we can do nothing.

In that way He who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure must increase as we decrease .

Some gathered little bread of life (God's word) some gather to much.

Exodus 16:17-18 King James Version (KJV) And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.