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throughfaith

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It absolutely WOULD mean all are saved.

If Jesus paid for the sins of ALL humanity then God has nothing to judge anyone by. The Blood of Jesus has Atoned for EVERYONE. Therefore, everyone is saved.

This, of course, is NOT true. God has plenty to judge people by. Because the Atonement of Christ is only for Believers that have been drawn by God to Christ.
Was you saved 2000 years ago when Jesus said it is finished ?.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It absolutely WOULD mean all are saved.

If Jesus paid for the sins of ALL humanity then God has nothing to judge anyone by. The Blood of Jesus has Atoned for EVERYONE. Therefore, everyone is saved.

This, of course, is NOT true. God has plenty to judge people by. Because the Atonement of Christ is only for Believers that have been drawn by God to Christ.
not if the sin of unbelief (blasphemy against the HS) was not paid
 

Grandpa

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You are not following your own Reformed Theology now.

Grace is extended to only some, those that God has pre-selected.

In your dogma if you present it accurately it is....

Jane Smith is deliberately foreordained to commit sin.
Is hated by God
Is predestined to hell because God withholds His Grace, salvation is intentionally out of reach for her.
Is deliberately excluded from the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
Jane Smith will be judged by a god and sent to hell because he favored someone else over her
This is a god who essentially goes against his own commandments where believers are called to love those he hates?

Tell me do not see a problem here?
The problem is in what you are presenting. You still don't get it.

Everyone is "fore-ordained" to commit sin. Thats the total depravity. Born in sin.

All of us were born enemies of God.

God gives His Grace to the whole world. Its the reason why its not destroyed, right now.

Those who are drawn by God have no resistance to His Grace. It is how God Draws them. He removes the heart of stone and replaces it with the heart of flesh. This heart of flesh has no resistance against God, nor does it even desire to resist.


Everyone deserves hell for being in rebellion to God. But God, in His Mercy, has decided to pull some of them out of this rebellion. Just exactly like you read in the OT. Some people are Gods People. Some are not.

You can assign blame to God if you want. But truly, the blame game is for infants.
 

Grandpa

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Jesus Christ took away all the sins of the world except for one, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. When people deny Christ they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit by calling God a liar, hence why nonbelievers do not have salvation.
Where does the BIBLE say that Jesus took away the sins of the world, EXCEPT ONE?

Nowhere...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Where does the BIBLE say that Jesus took away the sins of the world, EXCEPT ONE?

Nowhere...
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven all men. But blasphemy of the Hs shall not be forgiven
 

Grandpa

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Nothing you said supports Calvin's dogma that you and your pals peddle

SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE <--this one phrase destroys Calvinism WHICH STATES ->God made some for hell and only man "A" for salvation.

Wrap your head around the truth man.....IF GOD made MAN "A" for salvation and man "B thru Z" to burn in hell, there is NO NEED to make them accountable because THEY HAD NO CHOICE in the MATTER....

it is not ROCKET SCIENCE and your religion is easily dismantled by the common sense God gave a goose and deductive reasoning basef upon the word.
Nobody does have a choice. What difference does that make?

Just because they don't have a choice they are not accountable?


Everyone KNOWS God exists so they are without excuse. So why doesn't everyone come to Christ and receive Salvation? Because they are not as smart as you...???:ROFL:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Everyone deserves hell for being in rebellion to God. But God, in His Mercy, has decided to pull some of them out of this rebellion. .
this is the problem bro, this is sickening, it is not a god of great mercy and great love, if this is the way he is, then he destroys his own claims of himself.

remember in the OT God told abraham 400 years because the Ammorite ‘s faith had not gone to the point of no return yet.

God also promised not to destroy soddom and gem if a number OT people repented, so it says basically god did not Allow anyone else to Repent, because he did not chose them, why even offer your mercy if there is no hope because you refuse to allow them even the opportunity to repent
 

throughfaith

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It absolutely WOULD mean all are saved.

If Jesus paid for the sins of ALL humanity then God has nothing to judge anyone by. The Blood of Jesus has Atoned for EVERYONE. Therefore, everyone is saved.

This, of course, is NOT true. God has plenty to judge people by. Because the Atonement of Christ is only for Believers that have been drawn by God to Christ.
Jesus never died to save anyone. His death never ' saved ' anyone . You were not saved by the death of christ . This is not christianity . Without the resurrection we are not saved . Jesus saves by His life . We are saved by the death , the Burial and the resurection and Trusting this for salvation . Simply believing the death , burial and resurrection according to the scriptures .. believing The Gospel pleases God and by Faith being the access to Grace ( Rom 5.2 ) then God saves . He saves us because it pleases God by the foolishness of the preaching to save those that believe ( 1 cor 1.21 ) Then we are predestined to the Adoption (Rom 8 ,23 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.)
This is after we believe. No one is predestined to be saved . We are predestined after we are saved to THE adoption . Till then we recieve the SPIRIT OF adoption .
 
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It absolutely WOULD mean all are saved.

If Jesus paid for the sins of ALL humanity then God has nothing to judge anyone by. The Blood of Jesus has Atoned for EVERYONE. Therefore, everyone is saved.

This, of course, is NOT true. God has plenty to judge people by. Because the Atonement of Christ is only for Believers that have been drawn by God to Christ.
He judges them because they did not accept the Gift, so while the atonement was there it was not accepted and the ultimate judgement is the rejection of the Gift.
 

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This is so hilarious and honestly reeks of ignorance....another tenant of Calvin's dogma thst can be shot down.

The gifts and CALL OF GOD ARE IRREVOCABLE......do you understand that word irrevocable?

MANY ARE CALLED, few are chosen....

The call made to the many is IRREVOCABLE <--They have the OPTION AND CHOICE TO ACCEPT IT AT ANY TIME BECAUSE IT IS IRREVOCABLE.

See....your Calvinite dogma has blinded you to this truth because YOU believe men HAVE NO CHOICE...when indeed they DO!
In your philosophy shouldn't that say ALL ARE CALLED????????

Many are called but few are chosen, isn't that CEMENTING the theology of Calvinism?

If only the chosen can be at the wedding of the King and all others are cast into outer darkness then the bible is WRONG, in your view. It should state many are called but only those who made the right choice can get in.


Maybe they'll make a whole new bible just for this philosophy. Surprised they haven't already.
 

throughfaith

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Where does the BIBLE say that Jesus took away the sins of the world, EXCEPT ONE?

Nowhere...
2 cor 5 .19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Col 2.14
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
 

Grandpa

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Jesus never died to save anyone. His death never ' saved ' anyone . You were not saved by the death of christ . This is not christianity . Without the resurrection we are not saved . Jesus saves by His life . We are saved by the death , the Burial and the resurection and Trusting this for salvation . Simply believing the death , burial and resurrection according to the scriptures .. believing The Gospel pleases God and by Faith being the access to Grace ( Rom 5.2 ) then God saves . He saves us because it pleases God by the foolishness of the preaching to save those that believe ( 1 cor 1.21 ) Then we are predestined to the Adoption (Rom 8 ,23 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.)
This is after we believe. No one is predestined to be saved . We are predestined after we are saved to THE adoption . Till then we recieve the SPIRIT OF adoption .
Time to go back and read scripture.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

What does the Atonement do again? Cleanse us from our....
 

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What do you take to mean by 'work out your salvation in fear and trembling ? Phil 2.12 . And do you mean practical sanctification or positional sanctification ?
That would be practical sanctification. Positionally God sees His children as *saints" (sanctified ones) since they possess the indwelling Holy Spirit.

In the KJV when Paul addressed the saints there was no "to be" in the Greek. He simply said "called saints" and the "to be" is therefore in italics.

To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be ] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Romans 1:7)
 

throughfaith

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That would be practical sanctification. Positionally God sees His children as *saints" (sanctified ones) since they possess the indwelling Holy Spirit.

In the KJV when Paul addressed the saints there was no "to be" in the Greek. He simply said "called saints" and the "to be" is therefore in italics.

To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be ] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Romans 1:7)
Totally agree on the positional sanctified because of the Holy Spirit which seals us until the day of redemption
 

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Here is what I believe, and am totally unshakable in these truths
Doctrines of Grace or TULIP
T - total depravity of man
U - Unconditional election of the saints
L - Limited atonement
I - Irresistable Grace
P - preservation of the saints (once saved always saved.

the 5 Solas
sola scriptura the bible alone as our only source for faith and morals
sola gratia grace alone
sola fide faith alone
sola Christos Christ alone
soli deo gloria glory to God alone

The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.

and in the eschatology of Amillianism
Is it faith alone when Calvinists add ' but that Faith is never alone ' ?
 
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EleventhHour

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It most certainly does. It’s actually astonishing that you’re trying to dispute this.
Just something, it hurts my eyes to read their nonsense day after day, never mind my heart.

I guess this why scripture tells us to guard our heart.

I have spent much time on the "Not By Works" started by @dcontroversal also a very important doctrine to me personally, never have I had such dismay as I feel when I read the utter nonsense of Calvinites.

I could call it a day on CC if not for friends that I have.

Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
Proverbs 4:23
 
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