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throughfaith

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The call to salvation is irrevocable, god does. Ot take it back just because you do not believe right now, it’s open until you die
The call to salvation what do you mean by that. Could you give an example please ? Geniune unhateful question ( boy we have some sensitive folks on here)
 
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The call to salvation what do you mean by that. Could you give an example please ?
John 3: the call,to be born again
john 4 the call to seek The living water that Flows to eternal life
John 6. The call to not work,for food which perishes but food which endures to eternal life

how many more do you need, I am sure I can find many more
 

throughfaith

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John 3: the call,to be born again
john 4 the call to seek The living water that Flows to eternal life
John 6. The call to not work,for food which perishes but food which endures to eternal life

how many more do you need, I am sure I can find many more
So the call to seek the living water ok i believe that's ongoing of course.. if that's all everyone means then I apologise .
 

Grandpa

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It is easy to see that you and your Calvinite pals constantly contradict yourselves and the word of God....

The word is Kosmos, not world of believers.

God testifies by creation and the invisible

Jesus paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD.

And SALVATION is OPEN to all that will COME, REASON AND BELIEVE!

Whosoever does not mean Calvin's proselytes!
Yes. Believers are in the world. From the past, present and future.

God testifies of His Existence by creation.


Jesus paid the sin debt of believers only. If He paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD then preaching is not necessary. Scripture is not necessary. There is nothing to convict anyone of. It has all been atoned for.


Can't reason with someone who needs to be saved before they can understand. You can only reason with someone who is already saved and understands.

Whosoever means everyone the Father draws to Christ, past, present and future.
 

Grandpa

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So tell us which is it .... irresistible grace or resistible grace or have you changed your mind?

What did you say about a broken clock to me?
Which part did you not understand?

Irresistible grace is only applied to believers.

Seems pretty simple. Is it complicated?
 
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Yes. Believers are in the world. From the past, present and future.

God testifies of His Existence by creation.


Jesus paid the sin debt of believers only. If He paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD then preaching is not necessary. Scripture is not necessary. There is nothing to convict anyone of. It has all been atoned for.


Can't reason with someone who needs to be saved before they can understand. You can only reason with someone who is already saved and understands.

Whosoever means everyone the Father draws to Christ, past, present and future.
Again bro

sin will not condemn people unbelief is what condemns people

jesus paid the penalty of sin, so whoever will may believe and have eternal life
 

throughfaith

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Yes. Believers are in the world. From the past, present and future.

God testifies of His Existence by creation.


Jesus paid the sin debt of believers only. If He paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD then preaching is not necessary. Scripture is not necessary. There is nothing to convict anyone of. It has all been atoned for.


Can't reason with someone who needs to be saved before they can understand. You can only reason with someone who is already saved and understands.

Whosoever means everyone the Father draws to Christ, past, present and future.
What were you saying?
lol good point. I have a question though . I caught you saying that if Jesus payed for the sins of the world then .Jesus paid the sin debt of believers only. If He paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD then preaching is not necessary. Scripture is not necessary. There is nothing to convict anyone of. It has all been atoned for. I'm curious why you believe that? or rather why you framed it like that?
 
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Was judas ' Called ' and ' chosen '
No offence, but this is not a valid comparison because of the following...

a. Judas was a devil from the beginning

b. Judas was never clean (saved)

c. Judas was/is the Son of Perdition

d. Judas was a thief

d. Judas was picked by Christ for the express purpose of selling Jesus out because of A thru C above.
 
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Which part did you not understand?

Irresistible grace is only applied to believers.

Seems pretty simple. Is it complicated?
While I disagree with you

i am more worried about her constant belittling attacks and trying to mock you
 

Grandpa

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Again bro

sin will not condemn people unbelief is what condemns people

jesus paid the penalty of sin, so whoever will may believe and have eternal life
Sin does condemn people.

See 2 Corinthians 3

It is only by coming to Christ that this condemnation is lifted.
 
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Which part did you not understand?

Irresistible grace is only applied to believers.

Seems pretty simple. Is it complicated?
I cannot find any evidence of this in scripture?

I cannot find any evidence that God withholds/denies grace from some in scripture?

And we have dealt with Romans, it has been refuted so that does not work.

I do find many instances of people refusing grace though.
 
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Sin does condemn people.

See 2 Corinthians 3

It is only by coming to Christ that this condemnation is lifted.
That’s not what Jesus said

he did not say whoever Stops sin is not condemned, and whoever sins is condemned already

salvation is always based on faith

condemnation is based on unbelief,

the unpardonable sin is to reject the gospel.

also If sin can condemn us we are still under law not grace, no one has been under law since Jesus took away the law. and no one was saved by the law because the law was fiven to lead us to christ
 

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lol good point. I have a question though . I caught you saying that if Jesus payed for the sins of the world then .Jesus paid the sin debt of believers only. If He paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD then preaching is not necessary. Scripture is not necessary. There is nothing to convict anyone of. It has all been atoned for. I'm curious why you believe that? or rather why you framed it like that?
I don't know if you mis-typed it on purpose or if you just aren't following.

If Jesus paid for the sin debt of the whole world then no one is under death or condemnation of the Law.

If Jesus only paid for the sin debt of believers then it is only those who come to Christ who are no longer under death and condemnation of the law.


This is pretty easy to show with scripture.
 
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