Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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You laughed at @John146 upholding Scripture. Your calvinist friends aren’t even supporting you on that one.

I was laughing at no one...you have singled me out since day one....you have made a mountain out of a molehill.

I pray admin checks out this thread.
 
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EleventhHour

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Don’t twist my words....God Saved me....I don’t believe as you do.....I was saved by God....full stop.
I have not twisted your words, all I want to know is how a person is saved without hearing the Gospel?
Can you give me an example from scripture?
 
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I have not twisted your words, all I want to know is how a person is saved without hearing the Gospel?
Can you give me an example from scripture?

I already did and you couldn't understand it....so stop pressuring me to give you time ,time,time and time again...scripture you couldn't understand.....which I have posted countless times....you don't understand..full stop.

You trampled all over my saving..you will never get that opportunity again.
 
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I already did and you couldn't understand it....so stop pressuring me to give you time ,time,time and time again...scripture you couldn't understand.....
I was not really inquiring about you specifically >> I stated "a person"
What does scripture teach on this?
 
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Well I thought this was bible discussion board? :unsure:

You make statements I want to know how you arrive at them from a biblical standpoint.

I have already explained to you....time and time again......You.....Don't ...Understand!......

You.....Are....Obsessed....with....how God.....saved.....me...for love nor money you don't understand it.
 

Jimbone

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This is more Calvinistic nonsense. Who else but sinners must repent? That is not a "work" as you claim, but a response to the Gospel.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

Who do you think did the repenting here in order to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? Since good works are excluded, Peter would not have said what he did unless it was God who told him to say exactly what he said.

Unless each and every Calvinist has first repented and then believed, or believed and then repented, he or she cannot be saved. One must be converted before receiving the Holy Ghost.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

As to any talk of "credit" that is merely a straw man argument.
Slow down chief, goodness gracious, you've already labeled me "Calvinist", and I'm not. I've never read Calvin, never endorse him or invoke his name or teachings at all. You're just mad at everyone and are lashing out at me. What about 2 Tim 2:24-15-

24 And the Lord's servant[e] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

That's pretty clear too. You can keep writing me off as "Calvin nonsense" all you want, but I'm not quoting or concerned with Calvin at all, why I believe this way is because of how He saved me. To be clear I do believe many times there is a "choice" made when God saves us. So understand I'm not denying people who were saved this way, at all. My point here is who gets the glory for that choice. I understand the bible to say we are born dead in our sins. We are born spiritually dead, cut of from our Creator.

Us born of Adam in the flesh. Think about this, in this state left only to our own devices, we could never ever even conceive of what the problem even was, much less work out the solution. Nope, we are born broken, incomplete, and from the very beginning we try to fill this spiritual hole with the things of the flesh, and don't know that this will only lead to death.

Outside of direct revelation from our Creator we could never even know what the problem was, and He provides a way to put us back together, to make us whole as we were created to be. Right. If this is true then on logic alone it is not possible for us to be drawn to the Father without His word drawing us. I hate this line of thinking makes you throw a wall up between us the way you do, calling me "this" and "that" when I'm not. I believe these things and have come to these conclusions by His guidance, by His Spirit. I don't say that as a "therefore I'm right", but
I have to take into consideration my own experiences too. When I was saved I didn't make a choice the way most think. When God granted mer repentance I just saw "my way" for what it was in truth and I quit. I woke up the next day all new, but God revealed it throughout the day. I didn't realize I'd been born again until lunch the next day. So in my testimony I did not call on Jesus or God, in fact I didn't think of them at all in that moment, I had a false conversion, making the very choice we're discussing BTW and was NOT saved at all. I went up front and repeated the prayer, they was baptized at the beach and declared "saved" by the preacher I trusted, yet was not saved. So when this time came and I hit my knees I already thought I had done that "Jesus thing" and it didn't help 1 bit. So when I hit my knees, if I'd ever believed in God I didn't then. So throw all the scripture you want at me, and know I'm not denying what you're saying at all, but that was not how I was saved, and I testify that God choose me,
(as a matter of simple fact, not a boast) and I had nothing to do with my salvation at all. It was ALL God 100%

Now please get out of CC debate mode and answer my first question you never even touched. You made the choice, your saved. Who gets the glory and credit for that choice?
 
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Being Saved is very personal.

There is no reason to share something so personal with someone who probably doesn't believe anyway.

It is the very essence of casting pearls before swine.
While I agree to the personal nature, surely a saved person should be able to articulate the Gospel message in a coherent biblical manner?
 
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But yes, it is not 100% necessary to hear the Gospel FIRST in order to be saved. Break out your bible and read the story of Paul.

Calvinism goes to absurd lengths sometimes to defend their dogma.
Paul persecuted Christians, do you think he did not know what they were preaching????

Jesus appeared to Paul.... He was the Gospel and Yes Paul did hear and see the Gospel before his very eyes!!!

You agreed to my response it is contradicts your assertion above?

Tell me how is person saved by NOT hearing the Gospel?
 
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EleventhHour

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You think the Pharisees DIDN'T think they were saved?

You think the Pharisees DIDN'T think they were "experts" in scripture and in the knowledge of How God Saves??

It is exactly comparable to EVERYONE who thinks that God must follow some formula that is made up in the mind of men.



Do I deny salvation comes by hearing the Gospel first? First we would have to define what hearing the Gospel is.

But yes, it is not 100% necessary to hear the Gospel FIRST in order to be saved. Break out your bible and read the story of Paul.
Paul states otherwise......

For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed?
And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?
And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
And how are they to preach unless they are sent?
As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

Romans 10:13-15

The only way to be saved in to call on the name of Christ having believed the Gospel.
One cannot call on His name unless one believes the Gospel
The Gospel has to be preached for people to hear and respond to it.
 
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Being Saved is very personal.

There is no reason to share something so personal with someone who probably doesn't believe anyway.

It is the very essence of casting pearls before swine.

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1 Peter 3:15

Would they not "believe anyway" because they are not one of "the elect?"
 

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Total straw man. Never once have I or anyone else who opposes calvinistic dogma ever claimed to take credit for salvation. They’re simply the arrogant calling the humble arrogant. Yeah, it’s that stupid.
Agreed. But we need to feel sorry for Calvinists since they are IN BONDAGE to the lies of Satan (garbed in theology). Just like the Catholics.

Satan hates the Gospel -- which is the offer of eternal life to all who will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. No exceptions. But Satan wants all human beings in Hell, so he causes Calvinists to proclaim that only some are elected for Heaven, the rest for Hell.

But if anyone would simply believe and take to heart the words of Christ as stated in John 3:16,17 there could be no misunderstanding. God will indeed have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED AND TO COME UNTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.
 
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But yes, it is not 100% necessary to hear the Gospel FIRST in order to be saved. Break out your bible and read the story of Paul.
Paul heard the Gospel and refused to believe. Then God knocked him on his dump and the rest is history.
 
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Agreed. But we need to feel sorry for Calvinists since they are IN BONDAGE to the lies of Satan (garbed in theology). Just like the Catholics.

Satan hates the Gospel -- which is the offer of eternal life to all who will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. No exceptions. But Satan wants all human beings in Hell, so he causes Calvinists to proclaim that only some are elected for Heaven, the rest for Hell.

But if anyone would simply believe and take to heart the words of Christ as stated in John 3:16,17 there could be no misunderstanding. God will indeed have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED AND TO COME UNTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.
I stated early today my pity for one particular calvinist, perhaps I should be more general and express my pity for all of them.
 
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I stated early today my pity for one particular calvinist, perhaps I should be more general and express my pity for all of them.


It's so funny...anyone who disagree with you are called Calvanist ....haha..
 
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