Can anyone really doubt we are living in the Last Days?

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JaumeJ

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I think baby boomers are now a thing of the past, grown up that is.

For me they were no different than my generation or the one now. All are candidates for salvation in Jesus Yeshua, so the difference cannot be that much. Just opinion, nothing in stone.
 

Lanolin

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I think baby boomers are now a thing of the past, grown up that is.

For me they were no different than my generation or the one now. All are candidates for salvation in Jesus Yeshua, so the difference cannot be that much. Just opinion, nothing in stone.
still acting like babies though..!

Jesus was talking about the Hebrew generation, no? He wasnt talking about a particular age group or cohort born in a particular year or decade.
 

cv5

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I don't know about anyone else, but I can feel the spirit of the end times all around. "Normies" are even starting to take notice. And I truly believe the Tribulation will begin within the next decade it's that close.
100% bro. I am thinking 10-20 years to go.
And you are right....even the normies are feeling green around the gills. But then again....that is what the Scripture saith.
 

Komentaja

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100% bro. I am thinking 10-20 years to go.
And you are right....even the normies are feeling green around the gills. But then again....that is what the Scripture saith.
Excellent point! In the past it was always Christians saying it and lost people mocking it. Now there are some LOST people "feelin it" as well!
 

Pilgrimshope

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The signs are happening almost daily now.

Say, for instance, in the 80's or 90's or even as early as the 00's, the idea of the end times was known.... but didn't really feel like we were actually living in them or "there yet".

Today to a discerning follower of Jesus Christ and the Bible, and to one who is even slightly aware of eschatology, it is unmistakable and undeniable.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can feel the spirit of the end times all around. "Normies" are even starting to take notice. And I truly believe the Tribulation will begin within the next decade it's that close.
1900 years ago

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 7-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

cv5

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1900 years ago

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 7-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Thats right. The term "last days" & "last times" ALL refer to THIS age, the "Church Age". After which manifests "the age to come".
This age to come only can occur after the Rapture of the Church. Then the DOTL (aka the age to come) begins concurrently with the start of the 70th week of Daniel.

As you can plainly see, this "age to come" DEFINITELY has not come to pass. Despite the protestation of the addled preterists.

Mat 12:32
“Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mar 10:30
“who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
Luk 18:30
“who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life.”
Heb 6:5
and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
 

Fillan

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The signs are happening almost daily now.
I believe you're right. Soon and very soon we are going to see the King! How blessed are we then to be carrying the torch of truth for the Lord in the generation that might well be still alive and remain when he returns. And we have the responsibility to keep that torch burning. God Bless You :)
 

cv5

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I believe you're right. Soon and very soon we are going to see the King! How blessed are we then to be carrying the torch of truth for the Lord in the generation that might well be still alive and remain when he returns. And we have the responsibility to keep that torch burning. God Bless You :)
Amen to that bro. A right perspective during these grim days.....(y)
 

Cameron143

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It's an unpopular notion these days that the "end" is not near but some questions do arise if indeed time as we currently know it is soon to pass.
For instance, why has the end come so quickly? Most timelines for history from a Christian perspective have anywhere from 4,000 to 11,000 years assigned to OT history. Even using the smaller number, this means OT history will have doubled the length of NT history.
So why does God spend at least 4,000 years setting the stage for the accomplishment of His plan of redemption working through signs and symbols, only to rush through the period He worked so meticulously and intricately to bring about?
Having read many books and to make an analogy, how is this different from an author writing the foreward to his work that is twice as long as the work itself?

More questions to follow...
 

Fillan

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Even using the smaller number, this means OT history will have doubled the length of NT history...
Just a friendly aside, some commentators linked the six days of creation to the six thousand years of human history. God rested on the seventh day and the seventh thousand years- the millennium. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's perhaps an interesting thought. God Bless You :)
 

Cameron143

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Just a friendly aside, some commentators linked the six days of creation to the six thousand years of human history. God rested on the seventh day and the seventh thousand years- the millennium. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's perhaps an interesting thought. God Bless You :)
I believe in a literal 6 days but if true only adds to a longer foreward and makes the 2000 years since Pentecost seem more unusual.
 

Pilgrimshope

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It's an unpopular notion these days that the "end" is not near but some questions do arise if indeed time as we currently know it is soon to pass.
For instance, why has the end come so quickly? Most timelines for history from a Christian perspective have anywhere from 4,000 to 11,000 years assigned to OT history. Even using the smaller number, this means OT history will have doubled the length of NT history.
So why does God spend at least 4,000 years setting the stage for the accomplishment of His plan of redemption working through signs and symbols, only to rush through the period He worked so meticulously and intricately to bring about?
Having read many books and to make an analogy, how is this different from an author writing the foreward to his work that is twice as long as the work itself?

More questions to follow...
At he doctrine itself as you learn it creates a sense of urgency teaching us Jesus could come back anytime so we better be ready whether it’s today tomorrow or a thousand years

every generation of believers sees the signs
 

Cameron143

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At he doctrine itself as you learn it creates a sense of urgency teaching us Jesus could come back anytime so we better be ready whether it’s today tomorrow or a thousand years

every generation of believers sees the signs
There have certainly been those of each generation who believed the return of Jesus to be imminent and desiring Jesus return should have us all crying MARANATHA.
Do you have any thoughts about the rest of the post?
 

Fillan

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I believe in a literal 6 days but if true only adds to a longer foreward and makes the 2000 years since Pentecost seem more unusual.
The last 2,000 years have been years of huge growth and increase in the church, so many souls saved over so many generations! Reminds me of this scripture: After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9) In the summer I spent some time on the Scottish Isle of Iona which has been a centre of Christian worship, pilgrimage and evangelism since 565 AD. A very atmospheric place, the antiquity of the church there and the great weight of history is difficult to get your head round. God Bless You :)
 

Cameron143

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The last 2,000 years have been years of huge growth and increase in the church, so many souls saved over so many generations! Reminds me of this scripture: After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. (Revelation 7:9) In the summer I spent some time on the Scottish Isle of Iona which has been a centre of Christian worship, pilgrimage and evangelism since 565 AD. A very atmospheric place, the antiquity of the church there and the great weight of history is difficult to get your head round. God Bless You :)
I guess my question is this: if the time of the outpouring of the Spirit from Pentecost until now was the time God was desiring to get to and He spent so much time coming to it, why would He rush through it in half the time He employed to get to it?
 

Blade

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The signs are happening almost daily now.

Say, for instance, in the 80's or 90's or even as early as the 00's, the idea of the end times was known.... but didn't really feel like we were actually living in them or "there yet".

Today to a discerning follower of Jesus Christ and the Bible, and to one who is even slightly aware of eschatology, it is unmistakable and undeniable.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can feel the spirit of the end times all around. "Normies" are even starting to take notice. And I truly believe the Tribulation will begin within the next decade it's that close.
We need to add every generation that came before us all believed they were the last. That being said we are the only generation that seen witnessed Israel become a nation. The fact there is a time limit on this as the demons asked Christ "have you come to torment us before out time?". Seems we here are the only ones that don't know something. Today we witness the word unfold before us. The world and believers saying "where is the promise of His coming?". We see sins that were never when I was growing up out in the open and we see lies are not truths and truth is now a lie. He is not like us when He says something we best hold on to every word. Rev "and, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. " Eight verses later "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. "

He said quickly.. the fact we the Church is not ready so many are not watching are not ready for they believe He is no coming quickly for they believe some personal doctrine. No one knows.. we really need to get past this. Since this started man has always debated His word. Some just believe and hold on to that truth. He is coming.. me? I know its now I will be ready always looking up.. for the promise. Every time He made a promise God since the book of beginnings has kept it.
 

Pilgrimshope

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There have certainly been those of each generation who believed the return of Jesus to be imminent and desiring Jesus return should have us all crying MARANATHA.
Do you have any thoughts about the rest of the post?
just enjoyed the read through and some of the conversations

I just wanted to point out that the apostles taught that the end was very near even almost two thousand years ago and e whole New Testament doctrine instills a sense of urgency to repent and get right before it’s too late a

What I mean is the doctrine itself has this thought sewn into its fabric

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:32-37‬ ‭

at he feeling that it’s very near is part of the faith it presses us into repentance and doesn’t let us become complacent keeps us moving forward and getting ready

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his Lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My Lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:42, 44-51‬ ‭

We don’t want to be the servant who starts acting like the master isnt coming home because he could arrive anytime and we want to be ready

Notice how each parable is different but is communicating the same concept

“Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: ( unprepared )?but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. ( prepared )

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:1-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep, sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:1-3, 6-8‬ ‭

My only intent was to offer the thought that the doctrine itself creates the belief that Jesus is coming to soon it’s meant to bring us to repentance

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Fillan

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I guess my question is this: if the time of the outpouring of the Spirit from Pentecost until now was the time God was desiring to get to and He spent so much time coming to it, why would He rush through it in half the time He employed to get to it?
Hello Cameron. Maybe things are moving so quickly now, the pace has increased, so much has happened. The Great Commission carries a sense of urgency 'Go into all the world and proclaim the good news!'. I.e go now, without delay.
There was a good chunk of time before Abraham was called and yet the bible only devotes a few chapters in one book to it. On the other hand the whole NT of twenty seven books covers less than a hundred years of history. Just my thoughts. God Bless You :)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Hello Cameron. Maybe things are moving so quickly now, the pace has increased, so much has happened. The Great Commission carries a sense of urgency 'Go into all the world and proclaim the good news!'. I.e go now, without delay.
There was a good chunk of time before Abraham was called and yet the bible only devotes a few chapters in one book to it. On the other hand the whole NT of twenty seven books covers less than a hundred years of history. Just my thoughts. God Bless You :)
amen good thoughts

also

The New Testament times have been shortened

“And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬