CAN CHRISTIANS REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WE ALL VOTE?

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VCO

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As we Americans NOW look forward to the 2016, Presidential Elections:

Do you believe we CHRISTIAN REGISTERED VOTERS can make a Difference if WE ALL VOTE?

WHY or WHY NOT?

[video=youtube;eZuggCDEOdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZuggCDEOdI[/video]
 

SolidGround

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As we Americans NOW look forward to the 2016, Presidential Elections:

Do you believe we CHRISTIAN REGISTERED VOTERS can make a Difference if WE ALL VOTE?

WHY or WHY NOT?

[video=youtube;eZuggCDEOdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZuggCDEOdI[/video]
No, because Christ is not on the ballot.

But seriously, God is Sovereign. These men believe that they govern the world, but they are subject to the Plan of the Almighty.

Don't distract yourself with idle thoughts of changing the world through political means.
Share the Gospel, and live it out. That is what we are called to do.
The rest of this is a huge worldly distraction.

Christ will right all of the wrongs. Christ will set up a new government, a better one. One that is without any flaws, and one that has TRUE FREEDOM.

Look to a "better land" as Abraham looked for a better land.

(BTW, was a Mormon really better than ... whatever Obama is... ? No. Romney is basically a democrat anyways.)
 
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Gadget

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No, because Christ is not on the ballot.

But seriously, God is Sovereign. These men believe that they govern the world, but they are subject to the Plan of the Almighty.

Don't distract yourself with idle thoughts of changing the world through political means.
Share the Gospel, and live it out. That is what we are called to do.
The rest of this is a huge worldly distraction.

Christ will right all of the wrongs. Christ will set up a new government, a better one. One that is without any flaws, and one that has TRUE FREEDOM.

Look to a "better land" as Abraham looked for a better land.

(BTW, was a Mormon really better than ... whatever Obama is... ? No. Romney is basically a democrat anyways.)
I would lije to ask you on your definition of freedom solid. I know everyone seems to havedifferent views on that?
 
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Wormwood

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The United States is considered an oligarchy, not a democracy. I wouldn't be surprised if voting counted for very little, if anything, these days.
 

SolidGround

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I would lije to ask you on your definition of freedom solid. I know everyone seems to havedifferent views on that?
freedom is in Christ, not made by governments.
 
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Gadget

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Um... Okay??
 

SolidGround

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I would lije to ask you on your definition of freedom solid. I know everyone seems to havedifferent views on that?
the freedom of governments is a distraction, and a distortion of the true freedom that we have in Christ.

I was sent a video from a missionary family that I support. They had to watch their 7 yr old son be asked to deny his faith or die by a group of ISIS who invaded their home. Their son would not deny Christ, and was killed in front of them, and then the ISIS members left.

That boy showed more freedom than any government can give, because his freedom extends beyond this world. Pray to gain that freedom, the freedom to have faith in more than this world, to the point of being willing to deny this world for the sake of Christ.
 
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Gadget

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I...uh... Am not quiet sure you understood the question. I asked how would you define freedom and you told the story of a young child who choose his faith over life.

Im not trying to start a fight. This isnt a loaded question. Im just curious. Cause the only thing im getting from this is that freedom is... To choose your faith?
 

SolidGround

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I...uh... Am not quiet sure you understood the question. I asked how would you define freedom and you told the story of a young child who choose his faith over life.

Im not trying to start a fight. This isnt a loaded question. Im just curious. Cause the only thing im getting from this is that freedom is... To choose your faith?
sorry, I suppose I put the horse before the cart.
Freedom is an internal ability to choose based on our awareness of all our available choices, and not being chained down by distractions or vices that would inhibit a free choice.

Example: A person who is chained by rebellion cannot choose to be submissive, because they are still under rebellion.
:A person who doesn't realize that there is a door cannot exit the room, because they don't see a way out.

Christ gives us His Spirit which guides us, showing us that there is a way out, and breaking our chains.

That is freedom.

The world tells us that freedom is being "free" to express how you feel, or what you believe, without ramifications.
That is just nonsense. There are ALWAYS ramifications for sharing how you feel and what you believe.
Isn't that the whole point of sharing? To make a difference.
 
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(Joh 8:32)

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

(Joh 8:36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 

SolidGround

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(Joh 8:32)

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

(Joh 8:36)If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
AMEN! ty sister.
 
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Gadget

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sorry, I suppose I put the horse before the cart.
Freedom is an internal ability to choose based on our awareness of all our available choices, and not being chained down by distractions or vices that would inhibit a free choice.

Example: A person who is chained by rebellion cannot choose to be submissive, because they are still under rebellion.
:A person who doesn't realize that there is a door cannot exit the room, because they don't see a way out.

Christ gives us His Spirit which guides us, showing us that there is a way out, and breaking our chains.

That is freedom.

The world tells us that freedom is being "free" to express how you feel, or what you believe, without ramifications.
That is just nonsense. There are ALWAYS ramifications for sharing how you feel and what you believe.
Isn't that the whole point of sharing? To make a difference.
Thank you for clarifying. I see now where you are coming from and I think that is a fair definition. Thank you for sharing. :)
 

VCO

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No, because Christ is not on the ballot.

But seriously, God is Sovereign. These men believe that they govern the world, but they are subject to the Plan of the Almighty.

Don't distract yourself with idle thoughts of changing the world through political means.
Share the Gospel, and live it out. That is what we are called to do.
The rest of this is a huge worldly distraction.

Christ will right all of the wrongs. Christ will set up a new government, a better one. One that is without any flaws, and one that has TRUE FREEDOM.

Look to a "better land" as Abraham looked for a better land.

(BTW, was a Mormon really better than ... whatever Obama is... ? No. Romney is basically a democrat anyways.)
I can tell you watched the video, because that is what they said too.

I voted for the Independent Candidate, because I refused to vote for the lesser of two evils.

While we are still here, are we not supposed to be obedient to these verses:

Jude 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

Is not trying to vote in Christian Politicians part of contending for the faith?

Matthew 22:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Caesar’s,” they said to Him. Then He said to them, “Therefore give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.

Is not Voting, part of what we are to give to the Government?
 

VCO

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The United States is considered an oligarchy, not a democracy. I wouldn't be surprised if voting counted for very little, if anything, these days.

Then that makes you part of the problem, instead of being part of the Solution, doesn't it?
 
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ELECT

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No, because Christ is not on the ballot.

But seriously, God is Sovereign. These men believe that they govern the world, but they are subject to the Plan of the Almighty.

Don't distract yourself with idle thoughts of changing the world through political means.
Share the Gospel, and live it out. That is what we are called to do.
The rest of this is a huge worldly distraction.

Christ will right all of the wrongs. Christ will set up a new government, a better one. One that is without any flaws, and one that has TRUE FREEDOM.

Look to a "better land" as Abraham looked for a better land.

(BTW, was a Mormon really better than ... whatever Obama is... ? No. Romney is basically a democrat anyways.)
who sets up worldly goverments ?
 

VCO

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who sets up worldly goverments ?

NOT WHO YOU THINK.

Romans 13:1-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And for this reason you pay taxes, since the ⌊authorities⌋ are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.
 

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I believe Christians can make a difference when voting but I'm not sure if the difference will make a difference.
 
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This brother crossnote is a very difficult question for me to answer. On the right side is james 4:4 and by voting one becomes a part of what the rest of the world is doing. Notice please the word says whoever! wishes to be a friend to the world,(which everyone who runs for president looks to become,) MAKES himself an enemy to God!

If one looks at this verse for what is says,and does not look to twist its meaning, and believes the Word means already what it is saying,then how can we vote at all? For if we vote we become partakes of who we vote sin. That is one side.Now another side.

Men and women bleed to keep our Country free,and from there blood gave us all a right to have a voice in our government! Did any disciple vote for a new Caesar>( Matt 22:15-22) is it right to vote to any Caesar?( rom 13:1-7) here in verse 6 the word says rulers are servants of God!

In verse 7 it says render to all what is due them? is a vote due? I say this.( rom 8:14-15) Be Led by Holy Spirit according to the faith he has given you,and have no fear of what others think or believe of you. That is the best I can do with such a difficult question bro!! LOL
 

VCO

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This brother crossnote is a very difficult question for me to answer. On the right side is james 4:4 and by voting one becomes a part of what the rest of the world is doing. Notice please the word says whoever! wishes to be a friend to the world,(which everyone who runs for president looks to become,) MAKES himself an enemy to God!

If one looks at this verse for what is says,and does not look to twist its meaning, and believes the Word means already what it is saying,then how can we vote at all? For if we vote we become partakes of who we vote sin. That is one side.Now another side.

Men and women bleed to keep our Country free,and from there blood gave us all a right to have a voice in our government! Did any disciple vote for a new Caesar>( Matt 22:15-22) is it right to vote to any Caesar?( rom 13:1-7) here in verse 6 the word says rulers are servants of God!

In verse 7 it says render to all what is due them? is a vote due? I say this.( rom 8:14-15) Be Led by Holy Spirit according to the faith he has given you,and have no fear of what others think or believe of you. That is the best I can do with such a difficult question bro!! LOL
Isn't voting a form of honor? And doesn't it say give honor to whom honor is due? And doesn't determining to whom honor is due, involve educating ourselves about what the candidates stand for?

I think you have a slight misunderstanding of James 4:4 and what He means by to make oneself a friend of the world. That is choosing the world's views, over and above CHRIST and His teachings, and/or compromising your beliefs to please the world. The way you are trying to apply James 4:4, you would have a very hard time making it square with these verses:

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
 
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Gadget

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Hmmm. Fun thing about voting. Usually i vote neither. As i explained to my platoon sgt once. If you give me a cgoice of being shot in the face or run over by a tank, im going to vote for neither. That is were my vote goes. So i guess in answer to your question is it can make a difference when there is something wirth voting for.