Can you Sin and Not Die?

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Feb 11, 2012
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Something to think about:




Can you Sin and Not Die?
“You will not surely die!” Satan, Gen3:4
Most Professing Christians today Do Not Believe that if they Live according to their fleshly desires they will die Spiritually. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live Rom8:13
The reasons for this vary, among them are:
Substitution, Moral Transfer, Pre-forgiveness of sin & Eternal Security. But Regardless:
The Constant among Professing Christians is to argue in favor of sin, by trusting in the above fallacies and mimicking the common excuses that:
‘We’re Born in Sin, Saved in Sin and Can Never Stop Sinning, because no one can be as Perfect as God’
When told they Must get clear of their wrong doings in the process of Repentance BEFORE God will pardon them or grant His Holy Spirit to indwell their soul, they always retreat to the adage: “If we could stop sinning we wouldn’t need Jesus and could save ourselves!”
However, as someone once said; “Neither can they Stop sinner AFTER they have Jesus!”
Let’s Clarify what kinds of Sin we are talking about here. What is it you Must STOP doing to inherit the Kingdom?
The collective opinion is NOTHING, only UNBELIEF will keep you out of the Kingdom. Therefore such vile behavior as listed below are widespread among professed Christians:

1Cor6:9-10, Gal5:19-21, Eph5:5-7,
Fornication, idolatry (double-mined love of world), adultery, homosexuality, thieves, covetousness, drunkards, foul mouthed, murder, hatred, contention, Jealously, outburst of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, heresy, uncleanness, filthiness, coarse jesting and foolish talking. Add to this: Mass complacency, obstinate, outright rebellion to God’s authority, Disobedience to the Lord’s Commands, total Disregard of Bible Truth!
Under the Common Sin, Repent, Sin Repent Model of 1John1:8-9, anything goes and all is forgiven. If anyone claims they do not commit such sins unto death, they are Purified in heart & mind, walking Obediently, Doing what is Right by faith working by love, they are immediately called a LIAR, Self Righteous hypocrite, angry Judge, Lost.
But this is from People who think:
They are Born and Saved in Sin that all Sins are the same & No One can ever Stop Sinning. Strike Four!
Digging themselves out of this Deception is almost impossible. That’s why it’s called: Strong Delusion.
In the Bible we find MANY ‘Righteous’ Saints, Pure before God:
Paul Acts24:16 This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.

Again 2Tim5:7 I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day,

More:
1Thes2:10 You are witnesses, and God also, how devoutly and justly and blamelessly we behaved ourselves among you who believe;
Heb13:18 Pray for us; for we are confident that we have a good conscience, in all things desiring to live honorably.

2Thes2:
9 but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. 1Cor11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
Luke1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
The OT Testifies of Many Righteous Saints from Moses to Job, Daniel, Noah (Ezk14:14, Dan6:22) The Righteous people warned in Ezk18, The Righteous in Contrast to the Wicked all through Proverbs and Psalms. DOING what is Right by Faith is EXACTLY what the Truly Saved will do! Because those who sin are of the devil 1Jh3:8 & Are SLAVES to sin! Jh8:34
If a Person has NOT laid aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness and received with meekness the implanted Word (that is able to save your soul!) he is NOT a Christian! (Js1:21) The Very Purpose of the Commandment Christ Delivered is ‘Purity, Sincerity and Love!’ 1Tim1:5, based on Matt22:37-40 Lord’s own Words! If the Faith you claim to have in Jesus has not Truly PURIFIED your heart of Lust (flesh, eye, pride of life) you’re DECEIVED!
The Charge of Sinless Perfection (of which every Saint sited above would be guilty of today)
Anyone who promotes this kind of Devotion, loyalty and Purity of heart before God is instantly charged with Preaching ‘Sinless Perfection’ and branded a hypocrite, accused of all manner of vile things.
If abstaining from the vile sins we are discussing here is being as Perfect as God then we can offer you no further explanation but such as we have from Bible Scripture ….. Which of course you will counter with:
The Filthy Rags of Isa64:6, Desperately wicked heart of Jer17:9-10, Romans Wretch of Rom7:14 and Chief of Sinners of 1Tim1:15 …(not to mention also 1Jh:8 and a few select passages from the OT)
Let me try and be honest with you here and appeal to your sense of reason. NO ONE can be or is Required to be as PERFECT as GOD in the Bible. We are required to ‘Go and Sin no More!’ Jh5:14, 8:11. Although we will NEVER:
Be Perfect in Knowledge, Free from Ignorance, Free from defects, Mistakes in Judgment, Or infirmity of the flesh.
HOWEVER can IndeedBe Perfect as your heavenly Father is Perfect’ Mt5:48, BY:
Obedience to the Truth, 1Pet1:22, Walking in the Spirit, Rom8:1-4, Perfecting Holiness, 2Cor7:1, Holding fast in full confidence, Steadfast to the end, Heb3:3,14, Hungering & Thirsting after Righteousness, Mt5:6, Fearing and loving God & Hating Sin, Prov8:13, Ps97:10, Abstaining from every appearance of evil, 1Thes5:22, Keeping yourself Pure, 1Jh3:3, 5:18, 1Tim5:22, Keeping the body under, 1Cor9:27, Choosing to Do Good! Isa1:16-17
NOW be honest with me (if you will) DOES any of this Sound even remotely like what you believe and are being taught in the Churches about sinning daily in thought, word and deed? Is it EARNING your Salvation, Legalist Works, Self Justification, to OBEY God as directed above and abstain from Fleshly Lust? WHY Claim to have Repented of anything or even Have the Holy Spirit if you Cannot STOP Lust of flesh, eye & Pride? 1Jh2:15-16
Nearly everyone today says they cannot Stop sinning until they have Received Jesus to help them. IF that is True WHY Does the Sin NEVER STOP And the Clean Up NEVER Happens! You think that falling into Fornications, Drunkenness, adultery, perversions, uncleanness and filthiness of the flesh are just Mistakes God will forgive if you apologize, but never completely forsake. (since no one can according to the excuses)
Therefore we Must Part Ways with the ‘no one is Perfect’ crowd because to them ‘all sin is the same’
Filthiness, Uncleanness, fornication, Drunkenness is equal to a Mistake in Judgment or Wrong Decision, so in their eyes BY NECESSITY we MUST be Liars and filthy minded sinners …. Just like them. Sins of the Lust and uncleanness will Not Keep them OUT of the Kingdom, they can SIN AND NOT DIE, so their preachers have told them, because Jesus was their Moral & Perfect Substitute and Obeyed in their place to Pre-forgive their sins. It sounds to me like Satan has their ear Gen3:4, Not God ‘Depart from Iniquity’ 2Tim2:19
The Proverbs Constantly tell us that a Person who hates instruction, knowledge, reproof, is wicked and Stupid. Paul said a time would come when People would no longer endure Sound Doctrine that promotes godly behavior and reproves sinners. (2Tim4:2-5) The Prophets warned of a time when people would call good evil and evil good Isa5:20. Such is what we see today among the Professed, to them abstaining from Vile sins of the flesh is being 100% Sinless and Unbelief is the ONLY Sin God will Judge to Hell!
www.standingthegap.org






 
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cfultz3

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Obedience to God's leading is how we obtain what Tommy is speaking about. It is not that we are perfecting ourselves, but we know that it is He who is making us presentable before the Father, as He is our Forerunner and knows the path to God's presence. But, if we are not following His leading, as He had commanded, then we will never obtain the victor's wreath of everlasting life with the Father and the Son.

Inasmuch as hearkening to God's Voice was needful to enter the Promise Land for those in the wilderness, so too must we follow the same steps as our Lord took and which now He shows us.
 

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OK, class,
did King David sin?
Lust,adultery,murder,cover-up?
 
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cfultz3

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OK, class,
did King David sin?
Lust,adultery,murder,cover-up?
It is a good thing we have a Coach and a Forerunner in our faith's race to the finish line. And I would not want the walls of a pitfall to be my habitual goal either.
 

crossnote

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True, but neither do I want my first second or third sin to be my eternal end.
 
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OK, class,
did King David sin?
Lust,adultery,murder,cover-up?
David repented and forsook his rebellion to God.

There is no forgiveness IN sin.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 

gb9

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when david was old , he asked for young women to keep him warm in bed. now I am not saying that he still had a lust problem, but it is interesting. given his past history, I wonder....
 

Grandpa

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1 Corinthians 15:50-58
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53[/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Thanks be to God, which giveth us the Victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. I think we should dwell on that thought for awhile. Dwelling on our own performance can be a trap into legalism and out of the Grace that is found in the Lord.

What can we do apart from the Lord? When we are given victory freely it softens our hardened (hardening?) heart and helps us to WANT to give something back for this HUGE debt that we should owe, but don't. Telling the stubborn and lacking in faith that they better obey out of their own strength or else they will be punished and die is dishonest. It is the blind leading the blind and you know where they both end up.

If you tell the stubborn and lacking in faith the TRUTH of the gospel that is what leads them to victory. Our victory is through the Lord Jesus Christ. Does it seem like I keep dwelling on that??? Good...
 
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cfultz3

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True, but neither do I want my first second or third sin to be my eternal end.
Indeed, Brother! All the more reason to stand up when our Coach speaks and re-focus our eyes upon our Forerunner. Where there is a will, there is hope.
 

Bookends

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My hope is in the Spirit that is within me, not my will. But often I fall to my will, in which my hope is not.
 
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My hope is in the Spirit that is within me, not my will. But often I fall to my will, in which my hope is not.
Luckily, He does not drag us against our will. What a blessing a true hope has upon the soul who hearkens to Him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Obedience to God's leading is how we obtain what Tommy is speaking about. It is not that we are perfecting ourselves, but we know that it is He who is making us presentable before the Father, as He is our Forerunner and knows the path to God's presence. But, if we are not following His leading, as He had commanded, then we will never obtain the victor's wreath of everlasting life with the Father and the Son.

Inasmuch as hearkening to God's Voice was needful to enter the Promise Land for those in the wilderness, so too must we follow the same steps as our Lord took and which now He shows us.
oh boy. Salvation is a gift. Not a reward.

God said that isreal would enter the promised land not because they were good or deserved it, but because God gave it to them. long before they even commited one sin. all they had to do was trust God. which the ones who did entered.

Same with salvation. Christ died for us before we commited one sin, and said whoever trusts him, his sacrifice will wash their sin.. same thing. we only enter if we trust god.

the people of Isreal no more deserved to enter the promised land than we deserve to enter heaven.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It is a good thing we have a Coach and a Forerunner in our faith's race to the finish line. And I would not want the walls of a pitfall to be my habitual goal either.
david was an adulterer till he died. how many wives did he have?

Thank God his salvation is not based on how good we are. or we would never make it.
 
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cfultz3

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oh boy. Salvation is a gift. Not a reward.

Oh boy! It is a good thing I do not say that. :)

Trust = Hearken to His Voice.

We trust God in His leading and we are led Home.

He who has an ear, hearken to what the Spirit says.........
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Luckily, He does not drag us against our will. What a blessing a true hope has upon the soul who hearkens to Him.
amen, he just comes to get us. His sheep hear his voice and go after him, not because he drags them, but because they know him and know he has what is best for them.

it is those who are not his true sheep. which when they leave and get lost. do not hear his voice and follow after him. because they were never his to begin with.

wilfull return with the shepard, and draging because they do not want to go back is not in question. his sheep will always go back. always.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Oh boy! It is a good thing I do not say that. :)

Trust = Hearken to His Voice.

We trust God in His leading and we are led Home.

He who has an ear, hearken to what the Spirit says.........
Trust is his leading where he leads us home

How does he lead us home. By justification. we are justified by faith not works.

Once we are justified, we are on our way home, we stray from time to time, but the shepard always comes to get us, and we always follow our Shepard because we know his voice.


if your trusting your ability to earn the trip home. your trusting self and not God. and are not his sheep.
 
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david was an adulterer till he died. how many wives did he have?

Thank God his salvation is not based on how good we are. or we would never make it.
Sounds to me that he gave that effort in his faith's race and got back up. Effort: that four letter word.
 
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EG,

I won't go there with you.