Caring for creation

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good point, taw,
from the first Garden to the present Garden,
for us, hub and me, we know that we are to manage/respect
what God has put us 'in charge of'...
we are to take care of a grain of sand, or a nation...
 
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So some folks would say the doves sitting in a tree in our yard, cooing, very delightful creatures are.....evil? All animals are evil? All humans, including Christians, are corrupt because sin entered in? Every tree and daisy is ruined by sin?
 
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The Bible tells us that we are 'conceived in sin' = self-explanatory' - I can only look at my 'old-life' and be honest
about myself and acknowledge/confess ALL of my past-sins - after Conversion, I cannot only acknowledge
my OLD sins, but I KNOW that they have been forgiven!!!, and NOW, I have a brand-new start, - an High Priest,
whom will intercede to my Heavenly Father - He sits on His right hand and He 'inter-cedes' for me, and asks
my Father to 'forgive' me when I accidently mess up - if this were not so, I wouldn't be posting here...
 

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So some folks would say the doves sitting in a tree in our yard, cooing, very delightful creatures are.....evil? All animals are evil? All humans, including Christians, are corrupt because sin entered in? Every tree and daisy is ruined by sin?
I wouldn't call evil anything God hasn't called evil. Evil is tied in with moral beings like angels and men. Has God ever called a bird or hippo evil? Sin has marred God's image in man to his very nature to do evil.

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
(Rom 7:18-21)
 

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good point, taw,
from the first Garden to the present Garden,
for us, hub and me, we know that we are to manage/respect
what God has put us 'in charge of'...
we are to take care of a grain of sand, or a nation...
From the first Garden to the second there's going to be a sleight disruption due to circumstances beyond our control...

Revelation 8:7-11 KJVS

[7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. [8] And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; [9] And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. [10] And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; [11] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Revelation 16:3-4 KJVS

[3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man : and every living soul died in the sea. [4] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

...so much for caring for 'Mother Earth'.
 

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Perhaps it may help understanding my view knowing much of my childhood and adolecsence was an experience of hunger and malnutrition. It seems, as politicians may say, I fell through the cracks. Even so, before I knew Jesus, I had a sincere sorrow for my wealthy friends in school. It seemed to me they were given too much of a burden of responsibility for their age. Once I saw the toddler, Prince Charles, in the garden of Buckingham in a newsreel, and I pitiied him for the same reason….that was at about seven or eight years for myself, so I always had this perception of the young and wealthy or privileged. Maybe this is why I was plced in a different position of honor by the Father, not that He hoors any flesh other than Jesus,but He has certainly always smiled on me when things seemed darkest.
Prince Charles is very 'green' I mean in that priveliged position of wealth, he could have just spent it anything he wanted on anything he liked but he recognises his duty as future king, even though, his first marriage was a fiasco, but people actually forgive him. His sons have.

Anyway being a huge landowner ...hes very into the organics movement although he got teased mercilessly by his detractors who thought he was bonkers for advocating care of the land. Why not just sell it off and exploit it like so many other rich young rulers had done before. No he actually cared for the trees and encouraged people to garden and grow their own food. By growing your own food your are getting the freshest and most vitamin rich produce, and no chemical sprays.

Then these chemical pesticides killed all the bees cos bees were...insects too and they pollinate our plants so that we can actually have fruit. So now farmers have a huge problem cos of their shortisighted so called solutions to make profit and not actually feed anyone.

Silent spring by rachel Carson was written in 1962 warning about the environmental effects of these toxic chemicals in the food chain, basically, its poison...its not a new thing people knew about this AGES ago.
Insects arent evil in themselves just cos they may eat some plants. If you planting huge acres of just one kind of plant of course the insects are going to think what a feast and all go for it.
 

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So some folks would say the doves sitting in a tree in our yard, cooing, very delightful creatures are.....evil? All animals are evil? All humans, including Christians, are corrupt because sin entered in? Every tree and daisy is ruined by sin?
Totally do not get people who believe only humans are going to be redeemed. Did they not learn from Noahs ark or was Noah just all by himself with no animlas for company on that boat. Do they believe that heaven is like a sterile version of star trek or something where no plants and animals exist.
 

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As for flora and fauna, notyhing dies except in the eyes of men. Man can die, yes he can. However when God takes back His breath from animals and flora, He has not stopped breathing life into the like.
 

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Totally do not get people who believe only humans are going to be redeemed. Did they not learn from Noahs ark or was Noah just all by himself with no animlas for company on that boat. Do they believe that heaven is like a sterile version of star trek or something where no plants and animals exist.
All creation will be redeemed...

Romans 8:19-22 KJVS
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Revelation 21:1 KJVS
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 
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We all can do a little bit to improve our local environment, like plant trees and maintain nice landscapes. But man is not going to mess up God's plans. This earth as we know it will be here at least another thousand years, the last thousand being when Jesus has returned and mega blessings occur. Israel will be fully restored to their greatest land area, not politically, but according to the will of God already laid out for them.

Before that comes the great tribulation, which comes after the "rapture" of the church, when the wicked of earth will be killed off. A remnant of Jews and gentiles will survive the extreme heat and hundred pound hailstones, among many other curses.

The climate of earth is headed toward tribulation Judgment conditions. We will not avoid it. It isn't affected by us being spoiled with air conditioned homes and cars, or burning a piece of coal to allow us to leave the cellphone charger plugged in 24/7. The way Americans live leaves us far more vulnerable to an uncomfortable climate. I think spoiled Americans like me have been steadily less prepared for high heat and extreme cold variations. Many humans of the world deal with those continually without complaint.

It will be a bad seven years for the ungodly in the tribulation. Two thirds of humans will perish.

Then comes Jesus to earth, and a thousand years of blessings. Israel will once again resume enjoying their nation heritage. Here's that world according to Isaiah (unfulfilled).
Isaiah 11:3-12 (KJV)
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 65:17-25 (KJV)
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Those describe our world stripped of sin. Happy things remain, and those of us who stick with Jesus will return to admire.

Those are promises from God. If you don't believe He can hold it together, then maybe consider going the way of the post-rapture folks that got left behind. It's a matter of believing the Bible, which shows us what to believe of the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God. Remaining ignorant, following the modern confused Demoncrats who think the world will end in 12 years, might guarantee you will share that terrible 7 years of horror. Instead, warn any of those folks you know, and live expecting blessings.

At the end of that thousand years this world will be tested with fire like a goldsmith burns of the dross. But burning the gold doesn't destroy it, only perfecting it.
 
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Whatever climate fears are expressed now, which swap from global heating to another Ice Age, and back, the Bible says far worse than man has ever experienced will happen in the Tribulation. We will not possess enough unlimited energy sources like "Dilithium crystals" sold by Star Trek fame Forengis to save the world from collapse. There are no real Forengis anyway. There will not be some alien population arriving here to save the world. The simple fact is the world God created is capable of responding to His commands, and meanwhile His stated will.

Of course, I expect unbelievers to argue everything I've posted today so far. AOC might pick up on it and rage.
 
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All creation will be redeemed...

Romans 8:19-22 KJVS
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Revelation 21:1 KJVS
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
AMEN. That is for the end of Jesus' soon coming rule and reign for a thousand years. I hope you don't believe mankind will spoil His world, leaving it in a state of total disaster. If we could we would exceed the power of God. Sure, many human bodies will have to be buried. Every religious structure obliterated. Hoards of corrupt political rulers judged and removed. God's idea of capitalism rid of corruption! All the evidence of the pride of men gone. No more fear of a grizzly bear roaming, or a rattlesnake in the wood pile.
 
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Totally do not get people who believe only humans are going to be redeemed. Did they not learn from Noahs ark or was Noah just all by himself with no animlas for company on that boat. Do they believe that heaven is like a sterile version of star trek or something where no plants and animals exist.
I don't know anyone else willing to pen that. The Bible gives innocent animals a high degree deserving of protection. They will remain on earth while corrupt humans are judged, punished, and going to hell.

Heaven will have animals, and the Redeemed of God will accompany Jesus on horses when He returns at the end of the Tribulation.

Did you know more species of animals are discovered daily? Many believed to be extinct are known alive, confounding evolutionists?

Rather than an "expected" extinction of Polar Bears due to melting ice, their number are growing, and their range far extended? They are at last finding a huge increase in more southern food chain? The ice of glaciers and other sgtructures was inhibiting them. Maybe a Polar Bear will someday visit your door for a donation of much protein.

There was always a good reason to separate animals from humans, and humans from humans, so we could survive.
 

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I think it really has to do with evil hearrts just as it was on Noahs day. Why did God send the flood? Because people were wicked and the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

This was only after ten generations.

Is there evidence of this why sure these humans would have had an impact on the earth, the very first couple were thrown out of the garden because they just were no good at plant ID. They couldnt look after it. They could pick fruit from any tree except one but being greedy wanted to pick fruit from the tree they werent supposed to pick from. Thats lust and covetousness, wanting what you cant have.

Wasnt the flood kind of drastic why didnt God just smite the people and not have to redo the whole earth? I reckon its because mans wickedness had actually polluted the earth. The ground was cursed because of their actions.

What the unrighteous do, ruins and corrupts the envrionment. It affects everything. This is why God wants to cleanse the earth. People that sin you can see leave a mess! When Cain killed Abel, there was blood on the ground.

Everything you do does affect someone else. Everything you do counts for God. If you give a cup of cold water to someone whos thirsty, the least of these, God sees that. If you refuse and instead give them drugs and alcohol and cause others to fall God sees that too. When you throw away your straw and takeaway cup and it ends up in the river, choking something else God sees that. It doesnt just go away.

Adam and eve couldnt hide their sin from God. It can be quite obvious to anyone. Sure, you may live in luxury like the whore and think what you do has no effect, but revelation shows us all those luxuries were paid for with the cost of human lives.

Check out rev 18:14

Fruits thy soul lusted after...

I worked in an orchard once, thinning kiwifruit. The kiwifruit was not grown organically back then it was grown for the export market. They had to spray this fruit all the time and because they only planted one kind of fruit for years and years they eventually got this disease called psa. So orchardists had to rip out these plants and plant something else that would bring in money. These orrchadists were making big money selling this fruit for export, but they werent doing the environemnt or bees or themselves any favours. Nobody locallt could actually eat this fruit it was all for export. Everything for export had to be checked by govt regulations. By the time it got to the export markets it wasnt really fresh and had been treated with so many chemicals and gasses to keep it for the shelf.

Many farmers and orchardists die from diseases related to exposure to agrichemicals, cancers etc.
 
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Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
I dared consider what language was common before division of peole at the Tower of Babylon according to new languages created. Because of the many languages resulting, I realize there was a "root language" somehow connected to all those new languages.

Currently, I find Christians opposed to some unknown tongue are not among Christians going into difficult situations like ministering to the homeless, the drug addicts, etc. Yes, there are some well funder ministries like Smaritans Purse and CBN. Many, if not most individual Christians lack any power whatsoever, and are the first to go home. "I have this bladder problem so I need to leave." We always make sure there are porta potties around, and there's food, like hotdogs, "I just can't trust public toilets."
Zero faith. That's what I see decade by decade, lack of any faith to evangelize.
 

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I don't know anyone else willing to pen that. The Bible gives innocent animals a high degree deserving of protection. They will remain on earth while corrupt humans are judged, punished, and going to hell.

Heaven will have animals, and the Redeemed of God will accompany Jesus on horses when He returns at the end of the Tribulation.

Did you know more species of animals are discovered daily? Many believed to be extinct are known alive, confounding evolutionists?

Rather than an "expected" extinction of Polar Bears due to melting ice, their number are growing, and their range far extended? They are at last finding a huge increase in more southern food chain? The ice of glaciers and other sgtructures was inhibiting them. Maybe a Polar Bear will someday visit your door for a donation of much protein.

There was always a good reason to separate animals from humans, and humans from humans, so we could survive.
Im in the southern hemisphere lol.

Revelation shows us the birds are going to be feasting on the carcases of wicked men so, there is some justice after all! Rev 20:17-21