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I think a lot of stones get thrown because some are more interested in 'head theology' than the heart of the Gospel and as has been said pride is one of the main issues that causes stone throwing
 
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Crazy4GODword said:
well to see whether what they teach is truth or not. We must still chestise them by heart and rebuke the wickedness of the false doctrine to see the real truth.

There was once at this one church said, The Pastor recieves the Holy Ghost but the congregation receieves the Holy Spirit......this is wicked teaching.......they are the same thing, also to add Pastor is not greater than the congregation,,,just has a different office.

But friend it could be because of religious reasons, not relaionship.....which lead to destruction
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I know what your saying crazy4God, But that may have been just a Pastor getting to big for his boots it doesnt mean he is not a wolf in sheep clothing.

But what would say if your Pastor started teaching you that, Jesus was not the only God? would you say he was a christian? or a memebr of the church says the same thing but not out of ignorance.

Read How Paul himself delt with false teachers, doing it God's way is important, infact, skip Paul how did Jesus deal with those who thought they were in?
 
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livingbygrace said:
I think a lot of stones get thrown because some are more interested in 'head theology' than the heart of the Gospel and as has been said pride is one of the main issues that causes stone throwing
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Thats just another way of saying, its all about it doesnt really matter whata person believes aslong as he says he is a christian.

That is wrong for Christians. The heart of the gospel is Jesus Christ, whom you actually deny, and have built your own version of Jesus which is Idolatry.
 
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I know what your saying crazy4God, But that may have been just a Pastor getting to big for his boots it doesnt mean he is not a wolf in sheep clothing.

But what would say if your Pastor started teaching you that, Jesus was not the only God? would you say he was a christian? or a memebr of the church says the same thing but not out of ignorance.

Read How Paul himself delt with false teachers, doing it God's way is important, infact, skip Paul how did Jesus deal with those who thought they were in?
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hmm yeah, pastor was doing it to justify himself to a higher point. Now Paul did teach to send them off in tell they get it right with God, but if they don't know we should be there to help.....that is what fellowship is for :)
 
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phil36 said:
Thats just another way of saying, its all about it doesnt really matter whata person believes aslong as he says he is a christian.

That is wrong for Christians. The heart of the gospel is Jesus Christ, whom you actually deny, and have built your own version of Jesus which is Idolatry.
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As you say false teaching should be rebuked, and so should untruths

I have never denied Jesus Christ as you well know, and your belief of what is neccessary to be believed to have eternal life is unbiblical and therefore false teaching, so by your own words must be rebuked
 
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livingbygrace said:
As you say false teaching should be rebuked, and so should untruths

I have never denied Jesus Christ as you well know, and your belief of what is neccessary to be believed to have eternal life is unbiblical and therefore false teaching, so by your own words must be rebuked
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Oh you certainly have LBG, well let me clarify that, you have never denied the version of Jesus you believe! But you most certainly reject the Jesus of Scripture.

Thats Idolatry.
 
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Oh you certainly have LBG, well let me clarify that, you have never denied the version of Jesus you believe! But you most certainly reject the Jesus of Scripture.

Thats Idolatry.
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No wonder churches are in such a mess and lack real power so very often if your version of truth would be correct.

Yes, I believe Christ is the son of God, that is scriptural.

You believe a person must believe Christ is God Himself to have eternal life, that is unscriptural and must therefore be rebuked

The requirement according to Christ is that we believe he is the son of God and he did not add to that, John echoed the same thing.

So according to your rules I rebuke you for your false and anti biblical teaching
 
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No wonder churches are in such a mess and lack real power so very often if your version of truth would be correct.

Yes, I believe Christ is the son of God, that is scriptural.

You believe a person must believe Christ is God Himself to have etyernal life, that is unscriptural and must therefore be rebuked

The requirement according to Christ is that we believe he is thew son of God and he did not add to that, John echoed the same thing.

So according to your riules I rebuke you for your false and anti biblical teaching
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Your free to rebuke whoever you like LBG, it doesnt remove the fact that not only don't you believe Jesus is the one true God, but you think he is some sort of other God. you can try an rationalize in your own head your belief but you will never be Scriptural.

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Your free to rebuke whoever you like LBG, it doesnt remove the fact that not only don't you believe Jesus is the one true God, but you think he is some sort of other God. you can try an rationalize in your own head your belief but you will never be Scriptural.

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Well I have given you the scripture to support my belief that the Father is the one true God, Christ has the title God but the Father is Christ's God Heb 1:8&9

Now, can you give me a scripture that says
Unless you believe I am God Himself you cannot have eternal life?

No you cannot. Therefore whatever your protestations, your belief is not Biblical and therefore must be rebuked
 
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livingbygrace said:
Well I have given you the scripture to support my belief that the Father is the one true God, Christ has the title God but the Father is Christ's God Heb 1:8&9

Now, can you give me a scripture that says
Unless you believe I am God Himself you cannot have eternal life?

No you cannot. Therefore whatever yoiur ;protestations, your belief is not Biblical and therefore must be rebuked
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It is quite simple, if you cannot believe who Jesus said he is, then you reject Him. and before you go on again, no matter what you have been shown your eyes are closed to it. the Jesus you believe is not scriptural, Jesus is not another god., He is GOD!

does the bible say we can believe anything we want about Jesus, like the Muslims? Like the JW's like the Mormons? if what you say is true they are all correct.
 
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It is quite simple, if you cannot believe who Jesus said he is, then you reject Him. and before you go on again, no matter what you have been shown your eyes are closed to it. the Jesus you believe is not scriptural, Jesus is not another god., He is GOD!

does the bible say we can believe anything we want about Jesus, like the Muslims? Like the JW's like the Mormons? if what you say is true they are all correct.
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The facts are plain

Jesus did not claim to be the one true God and you cannot show me any scritpure where he did

He claimed to be the son of God cpontinuously which is what I believe therefore my beliefs are indeed Biblical

But you have no choice but to deviate, tell untruths concerning what I believe and not address the point at hand for scripturally you cannot answer

You believe a person must believe Christ is God Himself to have eternal life
It does not say that in scripture, Christ never commanded it, therefore your belief is not Bibliocal and must be rebuked
 
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livingbygrace said:
The facts are plain

Jesus did not claim to be the one true God and you cannot show me any scritpure where he did

He claimed to be the son of God cpontinuously which is what I believe therefore my beliefs are indeed Biblical

But you have no choice but to deviate, tell untruths concerning what I believe and not address the point at hand for scripturally you cannot answer

You believe a person must believe Christ is God Himself to have eternal life
It does not say that in scripture, Christ never commanded it, therefore your belief is not Bibliocal and must be rebuked
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And thats your brand of Christianity.......

I humbly pray for you LBG, and I really mean that, but, now is definatley time to wipe the dust off my feet. I do pray though that God will open your eyes to the truth.

Phil
 
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And thats your brand of Christianity.......

I humbly pray for you LBG, and I really mean that, but, now is definatley time to wipe the dust off my feet. I do pray though that God will open your eyes to the truth.

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Great reply Phil. No scripture to back up what you believe, or to defend yourself against the charge you have anti biblical beliefs. Because the truth is plain. You cannot give me any scripture or words of Christ that say
Unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life

Therefore, your belief is antibiblical and therefore false. And I rebuke you for it(as you said we must rebuke falsehood)
 
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phil36 said:
And thats your brand of Christianity.......

I humbly pray for you LBG, and I really mean that, but, now is definatley time to wipe the dust off my feet. I do pray though that God will open your eyes to the truth.

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Phil, you are wise not to have anything to do with that man, there is something very wrong and he will only mock what you believe and know to be the truth in your heart concerning the doctrine of Christ.
 
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ok folks get your stones ready.

no seriously we should listen to this, someone posted in the chatroom tonight and it talks about deception and the antichrist and God's will and the Bible. Its a good sermon about Charismatic churches. i'm still learning about the movement. I've lived a semi sheltered life in that I steered clear of this church now I'm concerned....hmmm....I'm going to have to pray about it all.

YouTube - Roger Oakland speaks on Charismatic Deception
 
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Phil, you are wise not to have anything to do with that man, there is something very wrong and he will only mock what you believe and know to be the truth in your heart concerning the doctrine of Christ.
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In effect what you find very wrong with me is that I put the plainest of scripture before the wisdom of man.
And you in effect cannot understand or comprehend why I will not believe as the majority do, and you will not take into account the plain words of scripture.

For you do not have sound beliefs based on scripture where your requirement for a person to have everlasting life is concerned.
In effect the plaion words of the Bible are piut to one side on the altar of man and his earthly wisdom.

As for mocking. You do have a tendancy to bnerate others for what you yourself often do.

Now as you have said I am a heretic, condemned have no eternal life and have the spirit of antichrist in me, I feel free to be totally honest with you

I discern you are filled with pride and to use your frequently used words this may be to do with insecurity or as a child you never felt you could live up to what was expected from you(I suffered from that)

But until you are firstly willing(and willingness is enough) to desire the glory for God, and not primarily want to be revered, looked up to and praised by man you will never be able to come into a really close relationship from the heart with your saviour, or understand the truth from the heart which is most important to understand
And this is why you have beliefs that contradict the plainerst of scripture

And I sincerely mean this. I hope the day comes when you will be free of this dominant pride ion your life for you can then experiance true heartfelt joy and peace which must now be impossible and then instead of having a head theology which you recite almost with monotony you will be able to have heartfelt love for others, they will respond to this and the message of truth you will have
 
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