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Whatever you say. How about you read the other things that I said...where I told him I wasn't having an attitude, my words were spoken with passion, not ''strongly'' or ''anger''or an ''attitude''. Where I humbly apologized for his mistaken understanding, and I said although they were words of passion and not anger and an attitude, etc..I already know the truth, and I'm already blessed. So, in a respectful manner, worry about you, and I'll worry about me. I don't need to question why I reacted how I did, I already explained that. It doesn't effect you, but them, and myself. It has been cleared up, and let go, so please, do not drag it out and start something all over again.
You can't just bit pick on what someone says, you have to read and use the whole thing. Which in this case, includes the apology for the misunderstanding and all. Anyhow, I'm not being rude, I'm just saying, and I did say ''in a RESPECTFUL MANNER'' so it needs to be dropped, not drug out into something getting started up.
I know where I stand with the Lord, in how I react/reacted to things, and so on. I'm fine with that. If you'll read the post I put up with the scripture, saying I shall obey God's word, an apology, etc. you'll understand that. Not to mention, none of you know what might of been going on, that could of set things off. So peace unto you and blessings. I'm more than happy with things, and will not argue with anyone else about this.
S
Whatever you say. How about you read the other things that I said...where I told him I wasn't having an attitude, my words were spoken with passion, not ''strongly'' or ''anger''or an ''attitude''. Where I humbly apologized for his mistaken understanding, and I said although they were words of passion and not anger and an attitude, etc..I already know the truth, and I'm already blessed. So, in a respectful manner, worry about you, and I'll worry about me. I don't need to question why I reacted how I did, I already explained that. It doesn't effect you, but them, and myself. It has been cleared up, and let go, so please, do not drag it out and start something all over again.
You can't just bit pick on what someone says, you have to read and use the whole thing. Which in this case, includes the apology for the misunderstanding and all. Anyhow, I'm not being rude, I'm just saying, and I did say ''in a RESPECTFUL MANNER'' so it needs to be dropped, not drug out into something getting started up.
I know where I stand with the Lord, in how I react/reacted to things, and so on. I'm fine with that. If you'll read the post I put up with the scripture, saying I shall obey God's word, an apology, etc. you'll understand that. Not to mention, none of you know what might of been going on, that could of set things off. So peace unto you and blessings. I'm more than happy with things, and will not argue with anyone else about this.
God bless you in all you do through His grace,
Shad
Imoss, okay, maybe I misunderstood you...sorry...Shad, thank you so much...I'm sorry to both of you, and also to the other gentleman...I'vbeen under some serious stress, worry, attacks, etc. didn't mean to come across as rude or anything. Life's...well words can't do justice for how life is right now. However, do know this, I have thought about/reflected upon things...that's why I said what I did in the response of an apology for the misunderstanding and things. Anyhow, again sorry for all the misunderstandings and all that stuff. God bless each of you.
Stand up for God I only state to you what has benefited me. I've stated it to many people many times in threads... usually those I react the strongest to are the ones I need to take a look at what they are saying. I feel and never have felt any ill will or negativity towards you & happen to agree with Shad and what he just posted to you. God Bless you too!.
God, always faithful, has been answering a prayer of mine recently, in which I asked Him to show me His grace. It was like the flood gates opened and I can't give Him enough praise.
I thought I would share a passage that He showed to me recently that kinda pertains to this matter. I have spoken about holyiness to some of you before and I think this might really strike a cord with you.
Psalm 46: 10 Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth!
I pray His grace may shower down on all of you.
I thought I would share a passage that He showed to me recently that kinda pertains to this matter. I have spoken about holyiness to some of you before and I think this might really strike a cord with you.
Psalm 46: 10 Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth!
I pray His grace may shower down on all of you.
R
"God's gift of salvation is anything but free"
That is a lie found nowhere in the Word of God.
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many." Romans 5:15
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Revelation 22:17
You are absolutely correct, OSAS is a horrible doctrine. We should judge doctrines as we do humans by their fruit, and OSAS produces nothing but evil fruit.
Eternal security is the most important truth to us believers. Eternal security NEVER teaches someone they can go on an sin as they please. It is satan that falsely accuses us who believe it. I find it so sad that CC continues to allow false teachers to come on here and blasphemy a core truth in the Word of God! This is wickedness. Eternal security is a foundational truth, please see thread:
http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=6636
Thank you shad for contending for the faith!
That is a lie found nowhere in the Word of God.
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many." Romans 5:15
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Revelation 22:17
You are absolutely correct, OSAS is a horrible doctrine. We should judge doctrines as we do humans by their fruit, and OSAS produces nothing but evil fruit.
Eternal security is the most important truth to us believers. Eternal security NEVER teaches someone they can go on an sin as they please. It is satan that falsely accuses us who believe it. I find it so sad that CC continues to allow false teachers to come on here and blasphemy a core truth in the Word of God! This is wickedness. Eternal security is a foundational truth, please see thread:
http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=6636
Thank you shad for contending for the faith!
The gift spoken of here is grace no salvation.
because we do not have to pay anything does not mean there was no cost.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1st Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
because we do not have to pay anything does not mean there was no cost.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1st Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
S
Another quote that is often referred to goes something like this, 'Your so heavenly minded that your no no earthly good.' That may be true for a handful of people but they are starting off on the right foot. There is an entire chapter in Colossians that speaks to the believer and covers just about every area of the believer's life. It starts off in chapter 3 with this instruction;
verse 1 ~ 1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Both underlined verbs are ~ Present / Active / Imperatives, which means that the subject of the sentence (every believer) is to initiate the action of the verb as a command. The verb 'seek' is zeteo ~ meaning to diligently pursue with every fiber of your spirit, soul and body and never give up. The verb 'set your affection' is phroneo ~ to set your mind to think in a certain way and direction.
These two commanding verbs are possible because the position of the believer is a fulfilled condition and that condition is that they are risen with Christ, who is on the right hand of God. The believer is not only crucified with Christ but also raised with Him and made to sit together with Him at the right hand of God and you can't lose that position Eph 2:6, Rom 6:4, Col 2:12. This is what God's salvation has provided to every believer when He hid the believer with Christ in God Col 3:3. The believer is positionally placed there by God through grace and is commanded to seek those things which are above so that his experience on earth can be derived from above and not derived from the earth. Everything that God has for the believer is at the right hand of God.
Practical application ~ When we seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness, it is from above. When we seek God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son, they are above. When we boldly approach the throne of grace, that throne is from above. Jesus taught the disciples to pray, 'Our Father which art in heaven...Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.' Our daily bread comes from heaven. Every good gift and perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of lights in whom is no variableness neither shadow of turning James 1:17. The carnal believer is positionally saved and seated together with Christ but is seeking those things below that are of the earth. They are walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit and can not please God. They have departed from God experientially in their fellowship with Him but not positionally in their relationship to Him. The have the Spirit but it is grieved and they are not experiencing any filling nor bearing the fruit of the Spirit.
When Jesus was answering the Pharisees concerning His record He responded that He was from above and they were from below because they did not believe the record of the Son of God who was sent from heaven John 8:23, John 6:38, 1Pt 1:12. When there is bitter envying and strife in the believer's heart, that believer is living by wisdom from below and is earthly, sensual and devilish. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy James 5:17. This is the wisdom that we are to desire and walk in toward them that are without it Pro 18:1, Col 1:9, Col 4:5. We can have a life here below on earth that is derived from above so that God's will can be done on earth as it is in heaven. When one sinner repents here on the earth and believes upon the name of Christ, all of heaven rejoices Luke 15:7.
verse 1 ~ 1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Both underlined verbs are ~ Present / Active / Imperatives, which means that the subject of the sentence (every believer) is to initiate the action of the verb as a command. The verb 'seek' is zeteo ~ meaning to diligently pursue with every fiber of your spirit, soul and body and never give up. The verb 'set your affection' is phroneo ~ to set your mind to think in a certain way and direction.
These two commanding verbs are possible because the position of the believer is a fulfilled condition and that condition is that they are risen with Christ, who is on the right hand of God. The believer is not only crucified with Christ but also raised with Him and made to sit together with Him at the right hand of God and you can't lose that position Eph 2:6, Rom 6:4, Col 2:12. This is what God's salvation has provided to every believer when He hid the believer with Christ in God Col 3:3. The believer is positionally placed there by God through grace and is commanded to seek those things which are above so that his experience on earth can be derived from above and not derived from the earth. Everything that God has for the believer is at the right hand of God.
Practical application ~ When we seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness, it is from above. When we seek God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son, they are above. When we boldly approach the throne of grace, that throne is from above. Jesus taught the disciples to pray, 'Our Father which art in heaven...Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.' Our daily bread comes from heaven. Every good gift and perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of lights in whom is no variableness neither shadow of turning James 1:17. The carnal believer is positionally saved and seated together with Christ but is seeking those things below that are of the earth. They are walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit and can not please God. They have departed from God experientially in their fellowship with Him but not positionally in their relationship to Him. The have the Spirit but it is grieved and they are not experiencing any filling nor bearing the fruit of the Spirit.
When Jesus was answering the Pharisees concerning His record He responded that He was from above and they were from below because they did not believe the record of the Son of God who was sent from heaven John 8:23, John 6:38, 1Pt 1:12. When there is bitter envying and strife in the believer's heart, that believer is living by wisdom from below and is earthly, sensual and devilish. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy James 5:17. This is the wisdom that we are to desire and walk in toward them that are without it Pro 18:1, Col 1:9, Col 4:5. We can have a life here below on earth that is derived from above so that God's will can be done on earth as it is in heaven. When one sinner repents here on the earth and believes upon the name of Christ, all of heaven rejoices Luke 15:7.
S
This is an add on to the above post. The interesting thing about the above Greek verbs is that the imperative mood makes the verb a mandate which is the same thing as a command. The mandate is not an option for the believer but a command to be obeyed as from the Lord. The free volition that we have from God can be used to obey the mandate or disobeyed it. The active voice of the verb speaks to the subject of the verb being the one who initiates the action and the present tense points to doing it right now, presently as an act of obedience through faith.
When you heard the gospel as an unsaved person and accepted Christ, you obeyed the gospel by believing upon Christ and you were saved by grace through faith Eph 2:8. The verb 'saved' is sozo, meaning to be delivered from God's wrath and unto God's eternal salvation ~ the verb is a prefect / passive / participle, meaning that the subject of the verb (the unbeliever) received the action of the verb (salvation from God) at a specific time in the past (when they believed) as a completed and finished act with the results of that action continuing on without hindrance. It all took place by grace and through faith in Jesus Christ with the continued result that can not be taken away or lost or separated from.
When you heard the gospel as an unsaved person and accepted Christ, you obeyed the gospel by believing upon Christ and you were saved by grace through faith Eph 2:8. The verb 'saved' is sozo, meaning to be delivered from God's wrath and unto God's eternal salvation ~ the verb is a prefect / passive / participle, meaning that the subject of the verb (the unbeliever) received the action of the verb (salvation from God) at a specific time in the past (when they believed) as a completed and finished act with the results of that action continuing on without hindrance. It all took place by grace and through faith in Jesus Christ with the continued result that can not be taken away or lost or separated from.
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