CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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Sudakar

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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
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Dave-L

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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
You may post your opinion.
The miracles confirmed the Apostles being of the same authority as Moses, Elijah and Elisha, etc. They confirmed their status. They also passed the gifts to those they laid their hands on. Philip and lesser apostles who healed. Those gifts no longer exist having ended when the Apostles died. Any claims for these gifts today have no documented evidence confirming them.

The prayer of faith heals the sick. But many do not have biblical faith. So these gifts are dormant today. Psychosomatic illnesses are being healed that are related to sin when repented of.
 

Sudakar

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The miracles confirmed the Apostles being of the same authority as Moses, Elijah and Elisha, etc. They confirmed their status. They also passed the gifts to those they laid their hands on. Philip and lesser apostles who healed. Those gifts no longer exist having ended when the Apostles died. Any claims for these gifts today have no documented evidence confirming them.

The prayer of faith heals the sick. But many do not have biblical faith. So these gifts are dormant today. Psychosomatic illnesses are being healed that are related to sin when repented of.
Do the cessationists' church like those of john MacArthur teach about the prayer of faith which heals the sick?
Is the prayer of faith a faith based on Christ's redemptive work on the cross?
 

Dave-L

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Do the cessationists' church like those of john MacArthur teach about the prayer of faith which heals the sick?
Is the prayer of faith a faith based on Christ's redemptive work on the cross?
I'm not familiar with MacArthur. But don't trust is grasp on scripture in other areas. James says the prayer of faith will heal the sick. But most today don't have biblical faith and equate positive thinking with it. It's rare today but I had a Baptist friend whose daughter God performed a true miracle on obviously through prayer.
 

Sudakar

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I'm not familiar with MacArthur. But don't trust is grasp on scripture in other areas. James says the prayer of faith will heal the sick. But most today don't have biblical faith and equate positive thinking with it. It's rare today but I had a Baptist friend whose daughter God performed a true miracle on obviously through prayer.
What is biblical faith?
 

Dave-L

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Any time you choose to believe, it is a work of the flesh and not bible faith. Bible faith causes you to believe because of the Holy Spirit in your heart.
 

wolfwint

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Do the cessationists' church like those of john MacArthur teach about the prayer of faith which heals the sick?
Is the prayer of faith a faith based on Christ's redemptive work on the cross?
I dont know any cessationist who claimes that God is not healing today!!!
 

Sudakar

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Any time you choose to believe, it is a work of the flesh and not bible faith. Bible faith causes you to believe because of the Holy Spirit in your heart.
What should be the object of faith?
 

Dave-L

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What should be the object of faith?
Here's how it works. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, not a choice. When you pray according to God's word, if faith is present, it is God telling you your prayer is answered Yes. But if you pray and faith is not present, it is God telling you No. The problem is, people who pray and conjure up what they assume is faith but is nothing more than choosing to belive with the flesh, that can cost lives. People thinking God owes them healing based on nothing more than positive thinking.
 

p_rehbein

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Does God heal today? If yes, on what basis does God heal? Do christians have to depend only on doctors or people like t.b.joshua for healing?
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Gonna post my opinion with or without your approval......... :) This IS a public forum, soooooo

YES
God STILL HEALS TODAY!

I have witnessed AND EXPERIENCED DIVINE HEALING.......

God IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND TOMORROW........... His Promise does not EXPIRE! Now, mans faith in God seems to rise and fall, but don't blame that on God.
 

Sudakar

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Here's how it works. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, not a choice. When you pray according to God's word, if faith is present, it is God telling you your prayer is answered Yes. But if you pray and faith is not present, it is God telling you No. The problem is, people who pray and conjure up what they assume is faith but is nothing more than choosing to belive with the flesh, that can cost lives. People thinking God owes them healing based on nothing more than positive thinking.
You evading the question. Is faith a trust in your good deeds or Christ's good deeds?

Read the question before answering.
 

Dave-L

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You evading the question. Is faith a trust in your good deeds or Christ's good deeds?

Read the question before answering.
Do you think you have any good deeds you can trust in?
 

Dave-L

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So biblical faith means to trust in Christ's good deeds on the cross. Do you agree?
Trust in his shed blood as your only means of salvation and healing.
 

Sudakar

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Trust in his shed blood as your only means of salvation and healing.
Do cessationists preach faith in Christ's blood for healing?

If yes, why do christians trust in people like benny hinn, t.b.joshua etc for healing?
 

Dave-L

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Do cessationists preach faith in Christ's blood for healing?

If yes, why do christians trust in people like benny hinn, t.b.joshua etc for healing?
Many mainline churches believe the prayer of faith heals the sick. Scripture says so. But they also know God works through means. Paul put his friends on medicine when he could no longer heal in the epistles. But the charismatics don't understand Acts or the Holy Spirit. They came from a background of slaves that assumed African voodoo tongues were the same as bible tongues, long expired. And mixed voodoo with Wesley Methodism thinking things are just as they were in Acts.
 

wolfwint

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Do cessationists preach faith in Christ's blood for healing?

If yes, why do christians trust in people like benny hinn, t.b.joshua etc for healing?
No, but they put their faith in God that he can heal them, because they are his children. And they let God the response in the knowledge that God knows what they need. And know also what is for them the best.
 

Sudakar

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Many mainline churches believe the prayer of faith heals the sick. Scripture says so. But they also know God works through means. Paul put his friends on medicine when he could no longer heal in the epistles. But the charismatics don't understand Acts or the Holy Spirit. They came from a background of slaves that assumed African voodoo tongues were the same as bible tongues, long expired. And mixed voodoo with Wesley Methodism thinking things are just as they were in Acts.
When paul could no longer heal why did he put them on medicines rather than teach faith in Christ's blood?
Instead of cryiticising the charismatics why not teach about faith?