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Rondonmon

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Jesus came to minister only to the Lost sheep of Israel. So when he says Wheat is is referring to Israel who Repents just before the Abomination of Desolation, but after the Rapture. They (Israel) will grow with the TARES (Worldly people/Evil types) until the end and then will be harvested together.

BUT.....something God showed me a while back. No matter if the Church is Raptured pre...mid...or post (IT IS PRE), the Church does not remain on earth until the the end. We actually KNOW the Church is in Heaven (Rev. 19), then go back to earth with Jesus on White horses, where these evil TARES await us.

So the WHEAT is Israel ONLY and the TARES are the Wicked men not of the Church, who were Raptured.

So the Wheat and the Tares parable has nothing to do with the Church. If I would just quit trying to distinguish between Jew and Gentile in the N.T. I wouldn't get bogged down in all of these misunderstandings.[/QUOTE]

NOT HARDLY....There is neither JEW nor GENTILE in Christ and the gathering of the wheat at the end of the age is the ingathering of the Lord's churches a.k.a saved.....

NOT to mention that the JEWISH apostles were identified as the church twice in present context......wake up and I fixed your last statement above in bolded.
As per SALVATION......We all are saved in Christ Jesus by his blood. This is why Israel is still BLINDED in Part just like the scriptures say. (Meaning some Jews are Messianic Jews most or not thus IN PART) Until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled. So when the Church is Raptured, God sends Elijah to turn Israel back unto God.

Now what part of that don't you get? The Church is saved by the BLOOD of Jesus. Israel is BLINDED. The Church is Raptured. Israel REPENTS and accepts Jesus as their Messiah. That is how they make it into the Kingdom of God. JUST LIKE US........We are the same in this manner. BUT......The Church is the Church and Israel is Israel. That's not going to change, no matter how long it takes for you to understand what that scripture means. Israel is protected by God in Rev. 12 the REMNANT (of the Church) are hunted down and beheaded.

Your second sentence likewise.............IN PART...........Meaning not all Jews would reject Jesus Christ. There will be Messianic Jews that are Raptured with the Church. When the time of the Gentiles of fulfilled, the Church will be Raptured, then Israel's eyes are opened as a Nation, and they turn back to God.

Israel is the Wheat spoken of by Jesus, they remain on the earth, protected by God. The Church is in Heaven, the REMNANT are killed (See Seal #5). The Evil Tares are still on earth when Jesus returns, and Jesus bundles them into graves to be burned in 1000 years, and then the Saints of Israel, who repented and accepted Jesus, are gathered into the BARN.
 

Rondonmon

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#22
One of the main beliefs in the Pre Trib argument is that Jesus returns after seven years with the Raptured saints which proves according to them that the Rapture happens before the tribulation. What they never mention is that there are millions of dead Christians already in heaven waiting for their resurrected bodies. According to Paul the dead rise first. In order for all these dead to receive their bodies they will need to return with Jesus to obtain them. Most people call this the second coming.
That's not how the Scriptures describe it. They say those who "SLEEP" arise at the same time, JUST BEFORE those of us who are alive and Remain and Jesus' calling us home. We all meet Jesus in the Air, then we go to Heaven.