charismatic revivals concerning the Holy Ghost

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"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26


"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:" John 16:8


"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost" Romans 14:17


"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." Galatians 5:22-23


I hear reports of charismatic testimonies regarding about what the "Holy Spirit" told them and/or what they experienced. Look at the attributes of the Holy Ghost in the Word and compare them to situations. The Holy Ghost will not contradict what the Word says in any way. Did the Holy Ghost really tell you to punch someone in the stomach, or to kick someone in the face in charismatic revival meetings ,etc? Pertaining to charismatic revivals, these sort of activities are frequently attributed to the Holy Ghost.

Many will be deceived because they follow seducing spirits and believe lies from demons. Many false prophets/teachers today show lying signs and wonders...These sort of teachers/prophets preach false gospels and likely speak many false doctrines. We were warned about false prophets many times throughout Scripture. God wants us to stand up and expose these workers of iniquity and to contend for the faith("Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" Psalm 94:16).

"The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." Jeremiah 14:14

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24


"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," 2 Thessalonians 2:9


""Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" 1 Timothy 4:1-2


"But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:12-14


I speak this to inform Christians about the dangers of trusting in your emotions/experiences over the Word of God("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9) Dont believe anyone just because they said it "came from God", "God told me to do this", "this was from the Holy Ghost" or that they are "Christians"......But see what Scripture says about their testimony before believing it. Trusting in man more than the Word is a surefire way to false/deceptive doctrine(Romans 3:4, Psalm 118:8, Jeremiah 17:5, 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:20-21, Hebrews 4:12, Isaiah 8:20).

Perhaps people here on CC can expose false prophets/teachers today who are deceiving multitudes....As this will help warn the body of Christ from heretics.
 
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In the Word there are instances of God telling His servants to do violent things. Didn't God told a prophet to go kill someone? Unless your God is a pussy cat.

What you need to look at is the fruit, not the method. I admit it's strange, but did the person who get punched were injured from the punch? Did they get healed? If they got healed there should be no problem.
 
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What you need to look at is the fruit, not the method. I admit it's strange, but did the person who get punched were injured from the punch? Did they get healed? If they got healed there should be no problem.

What part of the "fruits of the Holy Spirit" is hard to understand? I know for a fact, that if I went to some random person an punched him that would BE evil and we all know this deep down inside! And is satan going to appear like the devil in horns or most likely masquerade as the light? There WILL be counterfeit "signs and wonders" that satan will perform to deceive multitudes. The Holy Spirit came to CONVICT the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement as said above. A person who does this sort of thing, I would suggest look at their statement of faith regarding salvation. Because if they believe and teach a false gospel, I can guarantee, the Holy Spirit will NOT be the one at work in his alleged "miracles"....
 
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wrong dispensation? lol. Same God though. or do you believe it's the wrong God too?

What part of the "fruits of the Holy Spirit" is hard to understand? I know for a fact, that if I went to some random person an punched him that would BE evil and we all know this deep down inside! And is satan going to appear like the devil in horns or most likely masquerade as the light? There WILL be counterfeit "signs and wonders" that satan will perform to deceive multitudes. The Holy Spirit came to CONVICT the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement as said above. A person who does this sort of thing, I would suggest look at their statement of faith regarding salvation. Because if they believe and teach a false gospel, I can guarantee, the Holy Spirit will NOT be the one at work in his alleged "miracles"....
So in this case, you are basically saying what God can or cannot do, can or cannot say.

This is not about going up punching a random person.

The fruit in this case is if the person is healed or not. If they were healed, then you are forced to either conclude a) the healing is from satan, or b) the healing is from God.

I wouldn't make that judgement until you can either prove or disprove that the person was actually healed.

Obviously the person wasn't harmed from the punch otherwise Bentley would be in jail right now for assault.

The well known healing evangelist Smith Wigglesworth sometimes punched people. But he wasn't punching them, but punching the devil inside.

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http://www.precious-christian-dailydevotionals.com/smith-wigglesworth.html
On another typical occasion, a man came forward for prayer for stomach pain, and, commanding the pain to be gone,
Wigglesworth punched the man in the stomach so hard that he was sent half-way across the room (completely
healed)! This kind of thing happened more than once. Wigglesworth believed in COMMANDING the sick to be
healed in Jesus' name. His was an aggressive, holy faith. He was a "violent" man, taking ground from the devil by
force. And yet he was also a man of great compassion, as well as of great authority. The devil certainly felt it when
Smith Wigglesworth hit town!




So punching people in healing is nothing new, although unorthodox. Why is it a problem if Bentley does it? Because he has tattoos and doesn't wear a white suit?

I have looked at their statement of faith and it seems straight down the line.

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Id=106&pid=8
 
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So punching people in healing is nothing new, although unorthodox. Why is it a problem if Bentley does it? Because he has tattoos and doesn't wear a white suit?

Where did I even suggest that he needs to not have tatoos or wear a white suit? That's another topic entirely........In fact, there are some preachers that have 100% Biblical statements of faith on their website but preach a watered down gospel....

So in this case, you are basically saying what God can or cannot do, can or cannot say

The Word of God will never be contradicted by the Holy Spirit. That I can guarantee....God cannot lie, God cannot sin because He is Just and Holy....Just as He CANNOT accept sin!

"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" Titus 1:2
 
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So what problems do you have with Bentley's statement of faith?:

http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Id=106&pid=8


The only one I can think of some might have a problem with is the last one on personal revelation. But even it says on the website it cannot contradict the Word.

So I'm not sure what your problem is re: statements of faith. Because you did say to:

person who does this sort of thing, I would suggest look at their statement of faith regarding salvation.
 
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Here is my quote:

In fact, there are some preachers that have 100% Biblical statements of faith on their website but preach a watered down gospel

I replied to that question you made above. Their statement of faith is a good starting point. But like I've said before, I know people who have a 100% correct statement of faith on their website but preach another gospel!

I will read Bentley's statement of faith now....
 
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From that site:

All of mankind needs to turn from sin and trust personally in the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, to receive redemption. (Rom 3:23 )

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mankind can only be saved by grace through repentance and faith in Christ's perfect and sufficient work of the Cross.[/FONT]


In order for man to believe Christ he must have "a change of mind"(repentance) from unbelief to belief in the Savior. The sin they must literally turn from is the sin of unbelief. You already agreed with my thread on "Biblical repentance" already so you should know where I am coming from. I think these parts in italics were too vague by saying "turn from sin" without clarifying what that really means(its the sin of unbelief they must turn from)....Many people take that to mean "stop sinning-then come to Christ"...which is heresy.
 
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I replied to that question you made above. Their statement of faith is a good starting point. But like I've said before, I know people who have a 100% correct statement of faith on their website but preach another gospel!

I will read Bentley's statement of faith now....
You should have read the statement of faith first, before jumping to conclusions.
It shows you are only talking about something which you have not properly researched. Afterall you were the one who said we should look at their statement of faith:

you said:
I would suggest look at their statement of faith regarding salvation.
Yet you are leaving it to be the last thing you look at?

It seems like you are passing judgement before finding out the facts!


From that site:

All of mankind needs to turn from sin and trust personally in the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, to receive redemption. (Rom 3:23 )

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mankind can only be saved by grace through repentance and faith in Christ's perfect and sufficient work of the Cross.[/FONT]


In order for man to believe Christ he must have "a change of mind"(repentance) from unbelief to belief in the Savior. The sin they must literally turn from is the sin of unbelief. You already agreed with my thread on "Biblical repentance" already so you should know where I am coming from. I think these parts in italics were too vague by saying "turn from sin" without clarifying what that really means(its the sin of unbelief they must turn from)....Many people take that to mean "stop sinning-then come to Christ"...which is heresy.
Turn from sin means turn from sin. It means repent.
I think you are splitting hairs on this issue. That means making a big issue out of a small matter. Maybe because you have not found anything that's really wrong in the statement of faith.
 
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No I have already made repentance an issue before I wrote this thread....Not so I can find anything wrong with this particular statement of faith.
 
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If there is little wrong with the statement of faith how are they deceiving the elect?
 
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I said before that a statement of faith is a baseline for one to make an initial investigation of whether they are false prophets....I know of some that have sound statement of faiths BUT do not preach it out in public......They preach a watered down gospel....
 
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