Yes I'm KJV only. It takes more than a KJV bible to understand God. A person must be truly saved and believe every single word in the bible. When you do that, God will show you great and mighty things but.... expect to be persecuted severely. People hate Christians who actually believe the bible and let the bible speak on it's own. That's why the killed Christ. Christ spoke the word of God and not the doctrines of men and people hated him for it.
Children of the Promise
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Well one can know the bible like the back of their hand but unless they have an actual relationship and love with him it won't do much good. The bible is a mysterious thing, it has many layers like an onion or the earths crust and anyone can read the first layer even atheists will study it in order to go to war with Christians but the only way you will see the deeper layers to see and understand and know the deep and hidden secrets of the bible of his heart of his kingdom is with such a relationship with him.
I have also noticed that the more of his love you have in your heart the more you can see these things the more you understand.
I have also noticed that the more of his love you have in your heart the more you can see these things the more you understand.
That's religious talk, it doesn't come from the bible. Jesus said all the righteous blood shed on the earth is upon the Jews. Because they slew all the prophets including the RIGHTEOUS blood of Jesus THE PROPHET.
Matthew 23:35 KJV
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:35 KJV
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Oh boy! You're in the BD forum and are asking that?! 
Replacement theology is false doctrine so I will speak to it whenever it is brought up. But I try to put forth the truth without arguing but thats pretty much a miracle anymore in the forums.
Replacement theology is false doctrine so I will speak to it whenever it is brought up. But I try to put forth the truth without arguing but thats pretty much a miracle anymore in the forums.
The real Israel is not the children of the flesh. The real Israel is the children of the promise. The Old Testament saints were children of the promise, the New Testament saints including Christians today are the children of the promise. ALL Israel - children of the promise from fleshly Israel and children of the promise from the gentiles... All Israel shall be saved.
Here is a few on the blood of the prophets also
Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
And earlier here...
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Paul wrote,
1Thes 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Jesus said,
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Then adds,
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
And again, he tells them what he would do
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
There are others, but theres a few.
Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
And earlier here...
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Paul wrote,
1Thes 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Jesus said,
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Then adds,
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
And again, he tells them what he would do
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
There are others, but theres a few.
They didnt hide things
When the captain and the officers brought the apostles, and set them before the council: and the high priest asked them
Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree
As the Lord had previously said to them they would be delivered up to their councils for a testimony against them
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
And so they were, as they replied
Behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
When the captain and the officers brought the apostles, and set them before the council: and the high priest asked them
Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree
As the Lord had previously said to them they would be delivered up to their councils for a testimony against them
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
And so they were, as they replied
Behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Notice that there are 2 Israels verse 6. One Israel is a sub-group of the other Israel. You people are never going to understand the children of promise nor who God's chosen people are until you grasp this concept.
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[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Same here. There are two "seeds of Abraham" and there are 2 types children... flesh children and children of the promise.
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[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The sub-group is identified here. The children of the flesh are the main group and the children of God are the sub-group. If I am twisting scripture or jumping through hoops, please show me where.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Notice that there are 2 Israels verse 6. One Israel is a sub-group of the other Israel. You people are never going to understand the children of promise nor who God's chosen people are until you grasp this concept.
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[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Same here. There are two "seeds of Abraham" and there are 2 types children... flesh children and children of the promise.
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[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The sub-group is identified here. The children of the flesh are the main group and the children of God are the sub-group. If I am twisting scripture or jumping through hoops, please show me where.
Heres a few more scriptures also on this, just coming in from a different way on it, but I find them helpful
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Said here by Paul as well...
Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:For the heart of this people is waxed gross,and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
In the context of Isaiah it also says...
Isaiah 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
Isaiah 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
Then back to the context Paul speaks of the words of Isaiah (as Jesus) of the same...
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be,but life from the dead?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And likewise it says...
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, (Moses) Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Jesus would be the one of whom it is said, will raise up a prophet like unto thee
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
And Jesus said...
John 3:39 And Jesus said,
For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see;and that they which see might be made blind.
Ezek 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And likewise says...
Romans 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and that have not heard shall understand.
Acts 22:21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Said here by Paul as well...
Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:For the heart of this people is waxed gross,and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
In the context of Isaiah it also says...
Isaiah 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
Isaiah 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
Then back to the context Paul speaks of the words of Isaiah (as Jesus) of the same...
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be,but life from the dead?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And likewise it says...
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, (Moses) Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Jesus would be the one of whom it is said, will raise up a prophet like unto thee
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
And Jesus said...
John 3:39 And Jesus said,
For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see;and that they which see might be made blind.
Ezek 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And likewise says...
Romans 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and that have not heard shall understand.
Acts 22:21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Romans 11 Israel is blinded for a time.They will know Jesus is their Messiah once the antiChrist reveals his true self.
The Jews’ Position with God
here is no doubt that God poured out His wrath on the Jewish people in the First Century in response to their rejection of His Son, Jesus, as their Messiah. And there is no doubt they have remained under the discipline of God to this day. But that does not mean they have been rejected by God.God loves the Jewish people, even in their rebellion. In the everlasting Abrahamic Covenant, God told Abraham that He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse them (Genesis 12:3). In like manner, He told the prophet Zechariah that he who touches Israel, “touches the apple of His eye” (Zechariah 2:8).
Isaiah proclaimed that God could never forget Israel because He has them “inscribed on the palms of His hands” (Isaiah 49:14-16). Jeremiah stated that the Jewish people would exist as a nation forever (Jeremiah 31:36). And prophet after prophet asserted that in the end times, a great remnant of the Jews will be saved when they accept Jesus as their Messiah (Isaiah 10:20-22; Jeremiah 31:1-7, 31-34;Ezekiel 6:8-10; Daniel 12:1; Hosea 2:14-20; Joel 2:31-32; Micah 7:18-20; Zephaniah 3:12-13; and Zechariah 12:10).
[h=3]Paul’s Viewpoint[/h][h=3]“But,” say the Amillennialists, “all these promises were annulled by the Jews’ rejection of Jesus as their Messiah.” This assertion explains why chapters 9 through 11 of Romans have been the most ignored and despised chapters of the New Testament throughout Church history. Often, these chapters are simply dismissed as an “irrelevant parenthesis” in the book of Romans.
But the truth is that they are anything but that. In these chapters Paul uses the Jewish people as the quintessential example of God’s grace. Despite their history of rebellion against God’s will, and their continuing rebellion, Paul teaches that God still loves them, still has a purpose for them, and is still determined to bring a great remnant of them to salvation in Jesus.
In fact, Paul repudiates Replacement Theology before he even gets to these chapters. He begins chapter 3 with two rhetorical questions:
With regard to the second question, the Church has consistently answered with a resounding “Yes!” arguing that God has “washed His hands of the Jews” because of their unbelief.
But how does the Apostle Paul answer these questions? He responds in exactly the opposite way. He declares that the Jews do have an advantage because “they were entrusted with the oracles of God” (Romans 3:2). This is a reference to the fact that every book of the Bible (yes, I would include the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts) was written by a Jew. With regard to the second question as to whether or not God has rejected the Jews, Paul responds with great emotion, “May it never be!” (Romans 3:4).
[/h][h=3][/h][h=3]The Truth of Romans 9-11[/h][h=3]Paul returns to this theme in chapters 9-11. He begins by talking about how important the Jews have been in God’s redemptive history, and how important they continue to be (Romans 9:3-4):
He begins chapter 11 with another rhetorical question: “I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He?” For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has answered this question with a dogmatic “Yes!” When the Reformation occurred, the resulting Protestant churches joined in the chorus. But Paul answers it by saying, “May it never be …God has not rejected His people whom He forenew” (Romans 11:1-2).
Again, he affirms that a remnant will be saved (Romans 11:5) by grace after “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” to the Church (Romans 11:25). Then, as Paul considers the stubbornness of his brethren in contrast to the patient, lovingkindness of God toward them, he cries out from his heart, “Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!” (Romans 11:33)
[/h][h=3]God’s Plan for Israel[/h][h=3]It is only when you understand how much God loves the Jewish people and how determined He is to bring a great remnant to salvation, that you can begin to understand what is going on in the Middle East today. The Bible clearly reveals that the 20th Century regathering of the Jewish people from the four corners of the earth back to their homeland is a supernatural act of God that is the first step in bringing about the salvation of a remnant (Isaiah 11: 10-12).
Specifically, the Scriptures teach that once the Jews are regathered in unbelief and their nation is re-established, God will bring all the nations of the earth against them over the issue of who is going to control Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:2-3). The hatred of the Jews and the opposition to their state will climax during the last half of the Tribulation when the Antichrist will turn against them and attempt to annihilate them from the face of the earth (Revelation 12:12-17). During this terrible period of three and a half years, the Antichrist will succeed in killing two-thirds of the Jewish people (Zechariah 13:8).
That’s the bad news. But the incredibly good news is that those remaining will be brought to the end of themselves, and in their total desperation, they will turn their hearts toward God. At that moment, Jesus will appear in the heavens, and the Jewish remnant “will look upon Him whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only Son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first born” (Zechariah 12:10). They will call upon the name of the Lord (Joel 2:31-32), and they will cry out, “Baruch Haba Bashem Adonai!” meaning, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” (Matthew 23:38-39).
[/h][h=3]God’s Amazing Grace[/h][h=3]When I first started preaching about God’s love for the Jewish people and His determination to pursue them until a great remnant repents and accepts His Son as their Messiah, my wife said to me, “You make me want to be a Jew.”
“No,” I responded, “you don’t want to be a Jew because the overwhelming odds are that if you were a Jew, you would have a spiritual veil over your eyes (2 Corinthians 3:14), and you would refuse to acknowledge Jesus as your Messiah.”
And then I made a point to her that I encouraged her never to forget: “Ann, God is not doing one thing for the Jewish people that He is not willing to do for all of us.”
Keep in mind, the Jewish people are God’s Chosen People (Deuteronomy 7:6). That does not mean they are saved. Rather, it means they were called by God to be witnesses of Him (Isaiah 43:10-12). Accordingly, when you study their history, you can come to an understanding of what it means to have a relationship with God. Their history shows that when you are faithful, God blesses. When you rebel, He disciplines. And when you repent, He forgives and forgets and starts blessing again (read the book of Judges).
Currently, the Jewish people are under discipline. They have been for two thousand years. But one day soon their eyes will be opened to the reality of Jesus as their Messiah. When that happens, they will be overcome with grief, they will be swept by repentance, and a great remnant will be saved by grace through faith.
God’s continuing love for the Jews despite their persistent spiritual rebellion is a great demonstration of the meaning of grace — second only to the Cross itself. People often say to me, “How could God possibly be behind the worldwide regathering of the Jewish people when they are still caught up in unbelief? The only thing they deserve is death.”
But that is exactly the point. The only thing any of us deserve is death. But “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16).
We can thank God that those of us who have put our faith in Jesus will never receive what we deserve. Praise God for His amazing grace! And praise Jesus for His willingness to suffer and die so that we might be reconciled to the Father.
- See more at: The Error of Replacement Theology | Lamb & Lion Ministries[/h]
The Jews’ Position with God
here is no doubt that God poured out His wrath on the Jewish people in the First Century in response to their rejection of His Son, Jesus, as their Messiah. And there is no doubt they have remained under the discipline of God to this day. But that does not mean they have been rejected by God.God loves the Jewish people, even in their rebellion. In the everlasting Abrahamic Covenant, God told Abraham that He would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse them (Genesis 12:3). In like manner, He told the prophet Zechariah that he who touches Israel, “touches the apple of His eye” (Zechariah 2:8).
Isaiah proclaimed that God could never forget Israel because He has them “inscribed on the palms of His hands” (Isaiah 49:14-16). Jeremiah stated that the Jewish people would exist as a nation forever (Jeremiah 31:36). And prophet after prophet asserted that in the end times, a great remnant of the Jews will be saved when they accept Jesus as their Messiah (Isaiah 10:20-22; Jeremiah 31:1-7, 31-34;Ezekiel 6:8-10; Daniel 12:1; Hosea 2:14-20; Joel 2:31-32; Micah 7:18-20; Zephaniah 3:12-13; and Zechariah 12:10).
[h=3]Paul’s Viewpoint[/h][h=3]“But,” say the Amillennialists, “all these promises were annulled by the Jews’ rejection of Jesus as their Messiah.” This assertion explains why chapters 9 through 11 of Romans have been the most ignored and despised chapters of the New Testament throughout Church history. Often, these chapters are simply dismissed as an “irrelevant parenthesis” in the book of Romans.
But the truth is that they are anything but that. In these chapters Paul uses the Jewish people as the quintessential example of God’s grace. Despite their history of rebellion against God’s will, and their continuing rebellion, Paul teaches that God still loves them, still has a purpose for them, and is still determined to bring a great remnant of them to salvation in Jesus.
In fact, Paul repudiates Replacement Theology before he even gets to these chapters. He begins chapter 3 with two rhetorical questions:
- Do Jews have any advantage with God?
- Has their unbelief nullified the faithfulness of God?
With regard to the second question, the Church has consistently answered with a resounding “Yes!” arguing that God has “washed His hands of the Jews” because of their unbelief.
But how does the Apostle Paul answer these questions? He responds in exactly the opposite way. He declares that the Jews do have an advantage because “they were entrusted with the oracles of God” (Romans 3:2). This is a reference to the fact that every book of the Bible (yes, I would include the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts) was written by a Jew. With regard to the second question as to whether or not God has rejected the Jews, Paul responds with great emotion, “May it never be!” (Romans 3:4).
[/h][h=3][/h][h=3]The Truth of Romans 9-11[/h][h=3]Paul returns to this theme in chapters 9-11. He begins by talking about how important the Jews have been in God’s redemptive history, and how important they continue to be (Romans 9:3-4):
“…my brethren, my kinsmen, according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises…”
Note that Paul is talking about physical Jews, not spiritual ones, and note that he refers to the continuing validity of God’s promises to them. In Romans 9:27 he refers to the Old Testament promise that God will one day save a great remnant of the Jews, specifically quoting Isaiah 10:22.He begins chapter 11 with another rhetorical question: “I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He?” For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has answered this question with a dogmatic “Yes!” When the Reformation occurred, the resulting Protestant churches joined in the chorus. But Paul answers it by saying, “May it never be …God has not rejected His people whom He forenew” (Romans 11:1-2).
Again, he affirms that a remnant will be saved (Romans 11:5) by grace after “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” to the Church (Romans 11:25). Then, as Paul considers the stubbornness of his brethren in contrast to the patient, lovingkindness of God toward them, he cries out from his heart, “Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!” (Romans 11:33)
[/h][h=3]God’s Plan for Israel[/h][h=3]It is only when you understand how much God loves the Jewish people and how determined He is to bring a great remnant to salvation, that you can begin to understand what is going on in the Middle East today. The Bible clearly reveals that the 20th Century regathering of the Jewish people from the four corners of the earth back to their homeland is a supernatural act of God that is the first step in bringing about the salvation of a remnant (Isaiah 11: 10-12).
Specifically, the Scriptures teach that once the Jews are regathered in unbelief and their nation is re-established, God will bring all the nations of the earth against them over the issue of who is going to control Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:2-3). The hatred of the Jews and the opposition to their state will climax during the last half of the Tribulation when the Antichrist will turn against them and attempt to annihilate them from the face of the earth (Revelation 12:12-17). During this terrible period of three and a half years, the Antichrist will succeed in killing two-thirds of the Jewish people (Zechariah 13:8).
That’s the bad news. But the incredibly good news is that those remaining will be brought to the end of themselves, and in their total desperation, they will turn their hearts toward God. At that moment, Jesus will appear in the heavens, and the Jewish remnant “will look upon Him whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only Son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first born” (Zechariah 12:10). They will call upon the name of the Lord (Joel 2:31-32), and they will cry out, “Baruch Haba Bashem Adonai!” meaning, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” (Matthew 23:38-39).
[/h][h=3]God’s Amazing Grace[/h][h=3]When I first started preaching about God’s love for the Jewish people and His determination to pursue them until a great remnant repents and accepts His Son as their Messiah, my wife said to me, “You make me want to be a Jew.”
“No,” I responded, “you don’t want to be a Jew because the overwhelming odds are that if you were a Jew, you would have a spiritual veil over your eyes (2 Corinthians 3:14), and you would refuse to acknowledge Jesus as your Messiah.”
And then I made a point to her that I encouraged her never to forget: “Ann, God is not doing one thing for the Jewish people that He is not willing to do for all of us.”
Keep in mind, the Jewish people are God’s Chosen People (Deuteronomy 7:6). That does not mean they are saved. Rather, it means they were called by God to be witnesses of Him (Isaiah 43:10-12). Accordingly, when you study their history, you can come to an understanding of what it means to have a relationship with God. Their history shows that when you are faithful, God blesses. When you rebel, He disciplines. And when you repent, He forgives and forgets and starts blessing again (read the book of Judges).
Currently, the Jewish people are under discipline. They have been for two thousand years. But one day soon their eyes will be opened to the reality of Jesus as their Messiah. When that happens, they will be overcome with grief, they will be swept by repentance, and a great remnant will be saved by grace through faith.
God’s continuing love for the Jews despite their persistent spiritual rebellion is a great demonstration of the meaning of grace — second only to the Cross itself. People often say to me, “How could God possibly be behind the worldwide regathering of the Jewish people when they are still caught up in unbelief? The only thing they deserve is death.”
But that is exactly the point. The only thing any of us deserve is death. But “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16).
We can thank God that those of us who have put our faith in Jesus will never receive what we deserve. Praise God for His amazing grace! And praise Jesus for His willingness to suffer and die so that we might be reconciled to the Father.
- See more at: The Error of Replacement Theology | Lamb & Lion Ministries[/h]
Genesis 12:3 KJV
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Abraham was blessed, not his blood line. All the families of the earth are blessed through his seed Christ... not the Jews.
Zechariah 2:8 KJV
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
The apple of God's eye is the children of the promise, not fleshly Israel.
Isaiah 49:14, 16 KJV
But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me. [16] Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
Same here.
I'm not going any further with these because every one of the verses they referrenced are about the children of the promise and not the children of the flesh. They are taking verses that belong to the true Israel and giving them to the children of the flesh.
You have got to stop reading commentaries and start reading the bible. If you're reading stuff like this, it's no wonder you can't understand what I'm trying to show you from the bible.
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Abraham was blessed, not his blood line. All the families of the earth are blessed through his seed Christ... not the Jews.
Zechariah 2:8 KJV
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
The apple of God's eye is the children of the promise, not fleshly Israel.
Isaiah 49:14, 16 KJV
But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me. [16] Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
Same here.
I'm not going any further with these because every one of the verses they referrenced are about the children of the promise and not the children of the flesh. They are taking verses that belong to the true Israel and giving them to the children of the flesh.
You have got to stop reading commentaries and start reading the bible. If you're reading stuff like this, it's no wonder you can't understand what I'm trying to show you from the bible.
Kayla it seems that you and all the others that put Israel up on a pedestal fail to realize that there are 2 Israels in the bible - the children of the flesh and the children of the promise. When you see Israel in the bible, you have look at the context to see which Israel is being talked about. You can't attribute every verse about Israel to the children of the flesh.
Israel is God's firstborn son, they were supposed to get the blessings but they sold their birthright for 30 pieces of silver, they were supplanted by the second born. Yes that's right, Judas represents the whole nation of Israel. God's second born son was Christ. Christ gets the blessings and the inheritance. Christ the supernatural birth, the second born, the one born from above. He supplanted Israel because Israel sold their birthright. This is found all over the bible... the second born gets the blessings over the first born.
Exodus 4:22 KJV
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord , Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Israel is God's firstborn son, they were supposed to get the blessings but they sold their birthright for 30 pieces of silver, they were supplanted by the second born. Yes that's right, Judas represents the whole nation of Israel. God's second born son was Christ. Christ gets the blessings and the inheritance. Christ the supernatural birth, the second born, the one born from above. He supplanted Israel because Israel sold their birthright. This is found all over the bible... the second born gets the blessings over the first born.
Exodus 4:22 KJV
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord , Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
There is a problem with your logic here, just because so many others refuse to listen and are stubborn in their own views and beliefs and doctrines doesn't mean that there are not those who have a teachable heart who are not stubborn in what they see as truth.
If you assume this then what is the point? Why even bother showing the scriptures why even bother trying to change a persons heart?
If you assume this then what is the point? Why even bother showing the scriptures why even bother trying to change a persons heart?
Jesus is called Israel too isnt He?
For example,
Mat 2:14 When he (Joseph) arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
So he took them into Egypt, whereas it says in Hosea
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
After Herod was dead (Mat 2:15)
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel:
for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
Then here it says,
Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Acts 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
This same was determined before
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child,then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Where this same child (even in Egypt) gets called out of Egypt into "the land" of Israel (Mat 2:19)
I would think in light of that also Paul said
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:
but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.
He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 8:9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Just another way to catch it maybe
For example,
Mat 2:14 When he (Joseph) arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
So he took them into Egypt, whereas it says in Hosea
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
After Herod was dead (Mat 2:15)
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel:
for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
Then here it says,
Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Acts 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
This same was determined before
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child,then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Where this same child (even in Egypt) gets called out of Egypt into "the land" of Israel (Mat 2:19)
I would think in light of that also Paul said
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:
but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.
He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 8:9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Just another way to catch it maybe