Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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Mt 5: 18 KJV "Verily I say unto thee, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all is fulfilled."
Gal 3: 23-25 KJV "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed. Wherefore the law became our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."
Rom 3: 19 KJV "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith unto them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."
Heb 9: 15 KJV "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
We see that the law, the first testament; is with us, unchanged by so much as a jot or a tittle, till heaven and earth pass; so that all the world may become guilty before God. Before faith, we too, were kept under the law; shut up unto the faith that should afterwards be revealed. Then after faith is come to us: Jesus, by means of death, for the redemption of our transgressions that were under the first testament, to cause the called to receive the eternal inheritance. It is after faith in Jesus comes to us that there is a change of the priesthood to us and therefore a changing of the law of the first testament: for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. The new testament has no curse of death for every transgression and act of disobedience.
The ten commandments will be the standard used by the Lord when he judges those who died without faith. Even with the Lord Jesus ruling the earth during the Millenium, there will be some who do not turn to him in repentance and faith; and they too, will be judged by the same standard as everyone else who stands before the great white throne for judgment.
Gal 3: 23-25 KJV "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed. Wherefore the law became our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."
Rom 3: 19 KJV "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith unto them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."
Heb 9: 15 KJV "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
We see that the law, the first testament; is with us, unchanged by so much as a jot or a tittle, till heaven and earth pass; so that all the world may become guilty before God. Before faith, we too, were kept under the law; shut up unto the faith that should afterwards be revealed. Then after faith is come to us: Jesus, by means of death, for the redemption of our transgressions that were under the first testament, to cause the called to receive the eternal inheritance. It is after faith in Jesus comes to us that there is a change of the priesthood to us and therefore a changing of the law of the first testament: for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. The new testament has no curse of death for every transgression and act of disobedience.
The ten commandments will be the standard used by the Lord when he judges those who died without faith. Even with the Lord Jesus ruling the earth during the Millenium, there will be some who do not turn to him in repentance and faith; and they too, will be judged by the same standard as everyone else who stands before the great white throne for judgment.
Faith was part of mercy and salvation in the OT as well - they had to follow the law
Exodus 33:19 - I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
But I trust in your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in your salvation. - Psalm 13:5
Deu 7:9 - 9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.
Exodus 33:19 - I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
But I trust in your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in your salvation. - Psalm 13:5
Deu 7:9 - 9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.
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You are thoroughly confused my friend, and that is only because you cling to false doctrines. So in response to your confusion here are the facts:
1. Dispensationalism is the most valid method of Bible interpretation. Make the effort to understand what it teaches.
2. Grace existed from Abel to Christ. The OT saints were all justified by grace through faith. See Hebrews 11.
3. Gentiles were also saved by grace through faith. A good example was Rahab of Jericho. By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. (Heb 11:31)
4. The animal sacrifices of the Law were meant to cover sins, but salvation was always by grace through faith.
What you need to understand is that the Law of Moses is now null and void. And those who now return to Moses are in violation of God's will.
1. Dispensationalism is the most valid method of Bible interpretation. Make the effort to understand what it teaches.
2. Grace existed from Abel to Christ. The OT saints were all justified by grace through faith. See Hebrews 11.
3. Gentiles were also saved by grace through faith. A good example was Rahab of Jericho. By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. (Heb 11:31)
4. The animal sacrifices of the Law were meant to cover sins, but salvation was always by grace through faith.
What you need to understand is that the Law of Moses is now null and void. And those who now return to Moses are in violation of God's will.
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Do not the below imply that some of the Law of Moses is not null / void
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
Luke 16:17 - It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Acts 21:25-26 - 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
Luke 16:17 - It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Acts 21:25-26 - 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.
These are all true. The law came 430 years after the promise of faith was given to Abraham and his seed, The law was added to Abraham's heirs because of transgressions.
The blood of bulls and goats sufficed for the cleansing of the flesh under the law; how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God purge our consciences from dead works to serve the living God. Sadly, the law could do nothing pertaining to the worshiper's feeling of guilt for in those sacrifices that were offered yearly is a remembrance of sins; because the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin.
Yes, it only takes one single offense to be found guilty of the whole law and to deserve the curse of death, stopping every mouth and making all the world guilty before God.
The law is holy, just, good, and spiritual. One might think of the law, especially the ten commandments, as the minimum standard of righteousness for the faithful. The new testament's standard evolves with the changing of the law along with its priesthood, so that those who have been born of the Spirit are no longer under the law and its minimum standard, but rather we are to turn our cheek 70 X 7 rather than eve for an eye. We're murderers if we hate our brother; If we look at another with lust we've committed adultery on our hearts, and if we see a good and do it not, for us, it is a sin. Each of us have become eternal kings and priests of the new covenant when we received the Holy Spirit as the promise of forever. Our ministry began with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit; we're to present our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service. We're to be transformed by renewing our minds with spiritual food, which is the entire word of God. We have, with the Spirit, been given both the word and the ministry of reconciliation, which makes us the last hope of those whom the Lord loves as he does Jesus.
The blood of bulls and goats sufficed for the cleansing of the flesh under the law; how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God purge our consciences from dead works to serve the living God. Sadly, the law could do nothing pertaining to the worshiper's feeling of guilt for in those sacrifices that were offered yearly is a remembrance of sins; because the blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin.
Yes, it only takes one single offense to be found guilty of the whole law and to deserve the curse of death, stopping every mouth and making all the world guilty before God.
The law is holy, just, good, and spiritual. One might think of the law, especially the ten commandments, as the minimum standard of righteousness for the faithful. The new testament's standard evolves with the changing of the law along with its priesthood, so that those who have been born of the Spirit are no longer under the law and its minimum standard, but rather we are to turn our cheek 70 X 7 rather than eve for an eye. We're murderers if we hate our brother; If we look at another with lust we've committed adultery on our hearts, and if we see a good and do it not, for us, it is a sin. Each of us have become eternal kings and priests of the new covenant when we received the Holy Spirit as the promise of forever. Our ministry began with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit; we're to present our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service. We're to be transformed by renewing our minds with spiritual food, which is the entire word of God. We have, with the Spirit, been given both the word and the ministry of reconciliation, which makes us the last hope of those whom the Lord loves as he does Jesus.
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How could animals be enough??
Heb 10:4-11
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
....6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.....
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Christ blood is enough, but goats and animals do not take away our sins.
Heb 10:4-11
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
....6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.....
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Christ blood is enough, but goats and animals do not take away our sins.
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Near the beginning of the 20th century, this new and "strange" doctrine was first brought to America by Malachi Taylor, one of the Plymouth Brethren. Among those captivated by it was Dr. C. I. Scofield, who became its leading exponent. He prepared a new edition of the Bible, and with notes, headings, subheadings, and summaries, imposed upon the Bible a system of error as subtle and Satanic as any that has ever been invented by the master deceiver. The very fact that these errors are bound together in one volume with the Scriptures of truth, may account for the rapidity with which the fire of evil has spread.
Non of the foundermental churches believed this teaching until it was invented.
Okay I'll read more but from most source it tell me that there are between 7 and 3 different dispensations and God deals with man differently in each.
Non of the foundermental churches believed this teaching until it was invented.
Okay I'll read more but from most source it tell me that there are between 7 and 3 different dispensations and God deals with man differently in each.
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Yes it prefigured Christ and helped them undersatand the plan of salvation to come.
But it never justified them.
They had faith in a future messiah and we have faith in the messiah that has come.
We have the witness of Jesus Himself, they had the promises and the shadow (sanctuary services) of the plan to come.
Ps 31 says nothing about the blood of animals covering their sins..
By faith in the coming Christ their sins were covered.
Only the robe of Christs righteousness can truly cover our sins.
But it never justified them.
They had faith in a future messiah and we have faith in the messiah that has come.
We have the witness of Jesus Himself, they had the promises and the shadow (sanctuary services) of the plan to come.
Ps 31 says nothing about the blood of animals covering their sins..
By faith in the coming Christ their sins were covered.
Only the robe of Christs righteousness can truly cover our sins.
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