Christ-mass is Pagan.
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They used the tree to create an idol, it wasn’t literally a tree decorated in gold. It was a piece of wood made into a idol and people worshiped it.
Just like the Egyptians would make their God’s out of stone. I have a few rocks in my yard.... am I a pagan now?
The evergreen represents how Christ is forever living, the red garlin we put on it represents his blood he shed for us.
I wouldnt even even know what to do with a tree as an idol, what has the tree ever done for me.
Just like the Egyptians would make their God’s out of stone. I have a few rocks in my yard.... am I a pagan now?
The evergreen represents how Christ is forever living, the red garlin we put on it represents his blood he shed for us.
I wouldnt even even know what to do with a tree as an idol, what has the tree ever done for me.
i always find it amazing that Christians ( so -called anyway) have a deep problem with celebrating Jesus's birth. yes, many of us know that most likely Jesus was not born in dec. many of us know of the pagan ties. but, as long as we are not praising santa, and bowing down and worshiping the tree, there is no sin in celebrating our Lord.
not to mention , lots of people hear the Gospel this time of year, lots of people get exposed to Jesus, that would not otherwise be.
not to mention , lots of people hear the Gospel this time of year, lots of people get exposed to Jesus, that would not otherwise be.
I agree completely with your estimation. No one worships the tree or thinks of Santa as a god. Yes, celebrating the birth of our Lord is a joy even though the date of His birth is unknown. The Christmas season can be as long as you chose to make it, can make cookies and treats, decorating the tree, singing carols, wrapping gifts and all of the things that go with it. Basically, it's a good opportunity for fellowship and being with your family and being grateful for all of God's blessings. There is nothing wrong with buying stuff either but it would not be wise to go into debt to do this. Buying gifts keeps the economy going and provides the jobs necessary to feed your family. It's the happiest time of the year, or at least I've been told.
I have nothing to excuse myself of, you know if you look for paganism you will find it even the celebration of birthdays had paganism in it so if your going to call out one celebration you might as well stop every celebration you do because believe me there is paganism in almost everything.
But Christmas is not about the paganism of it, it's about the birth and miracle of baby Jesus. God looks to the heart not how the enemy has corrupted even the most pure of things. Here is how the Christmas season works for me, whenever december rolls around I can just sense the Christmas spirit in the air, I hear the Christmas music and am filled with joy I even sometimes cry from some of the Christian Christmas music, I am just naturally filled with more hope life joy and wonder than normal and if I am not mistaken those are the fruits of the spirit are they not?
I like to study how the gold and silver are related to Christmas and to God himself and I like to imagine a huge angelic choir singing in a symphony of joy and praise so much so that it is like it will make them burst if they cannot get it out. This is only some of the things that Christmas brings to my heart and I'm sorry but if Christmas is so pagan and I should give a reason to excuse myself for celebrating it then I will let God judge me as he sees fits but until then I love to relish how the spirit just comes alive in december.
Maybe this seems childish but I am a child at heart, and you know sometimes it requires the eyes of a child to truly see.
But Christmas is not about the paganism of it, it's about the birth and miracle of baby Jesus. God looks to the heart not how the enemy has corrupted even the most pure of things. Here is how the Christmas season works for me, whenever december rolls around I can just sense the Christmas spirit in the air, I hear the Christmas music and am filled with joy I even sometimes cry from some of the Christian Christmas music, I am just naturally filled with more hope life joy and wonder than normal and if I am not mistaken those are the fruits of the spirit are they not?
I like to study how the gold and silver are related to Christmas and to God himself and I like to imagine a huge angelic choir singing in a symphony of joy and praise so much so that it is like it will make them burst if they cannot get it out. This is only some of the things that Christmas brings to my heart and I'm sorry but if Christmas is so pagan and I should give a reason to excuse myself for celebrating it then I will let God judge me as he sees fits but until then I love to relish how the spirit just comes alive in december.
Maybe this seems childish but I am a child at heart, and you know sometimes it requires the eyes of a child to truly see.
it is not pagan worship . many people today prefer to attack the observance of Christ _Mas or the Incarnation of our savior to legalism. just haters . why?
because they have been divorced and no family and have to spend money for gifts. or not working and it makes them feel bad. many of these types trash CHristmas yet they will be out on Black Friday to get the best deals . fight for the last tree . then speak about pagan holidays lol hahahahah ho ho ho . what a joke
the truth is no one really knows when Jesus was Born but we do celebratory day to honor HIS Birth. There is nothing wrong with doing that.
because they have been divorced and no family and have to spend money for gifts. or not working and it makes them feel bad. many of these types trash CHristmas yet they will be out on Black Friday to get the best deals . fight for the last tree . then speak about pagan holidays lol hahahahah ho ho ho . what a joke
the truth is no one really knows when Jesus was Born but we do celebratory day to honor HIS Birth. There is nothing wrong with doing that.The word Christmas comes from the early English phrase Christes Masse, which means Christ's Mass Source: The World Book Encyclopedia 1979
"Christmas, Christian festival celebrating the birth of Jesus. The English term Christmas (“mass on Christ’s day”) is of fairly recent origin". https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas
I can't seem to find anything giving details on the Mass of Christ.
"Christmas, Christian festival celebrating the birth of Jesus. The English term Christmas (“mass on Christ’s day”) is of fairly recent origin". https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas
I can't seem to find anything giving details on the Mass of Christ.
it is not pagan worship . many people today prefer to attack the observance of Christ _Mas or the Incarnation of our savior to legalism. just haters . why?
because they have been divorced and no family and have to spend money for gifts. or not working and it makes them feel bad. many of these types trash CHristmas yet they will be out on Black Friday to get the best deals . fight for the last tree . then speak about pagan holidays lol hahahahah ho ho ho . what a joke the truth is no one really knows when Jesus was Born but we do celebratory day to honor HIS Birth. There is nothing wrong with doing that.
because they have been divorced and no family and have to spend money for gifts. or not working and it makes them feel bad. many of these types trash CHristmas yet they will be out on Black Friday to get the best deals . fight for the last tree . then speak about pagan holidays lol hahahahah ho ho ho . what a joke
the truth is no one really knows when Jesus was Born but we do celebratory day to honor HIS Birth. There is nothing wrong with doing that.
Because unfortunately, most Christians don't care whether it's actually Scriptural or pleasing to God. They celebrate 'Christ-Mass' for the same reason they maintain/participate in other unscriptural practices that are popular or traditional in Christianity. They're insincere and disingenuous.
Of course Christmas is not about Jesus; it's about the people who celebrate it, and what they want to do. So they justify keeping it any way they can---because it's 'fun'; because all their friends and family do it; because they don't want to be left out or thought ill of; because they don't want to hurt their friends', co-workers' and relatives' feelings; because they like the gifts; because their kids want to celebrate it; because little Johnny sings so beautifully in the choir...Because, because, because...
You'd be surprised (unpleasantly surprised) by how stubborn people who have their heart set on themself and their own way can be. It would almost be 'better' if they celebrated "Christ-Mass" by some other name, like Yule or Saturnalia, as a pagan festival. At least they would be honest! Putting Jesus in it/on it and saying that it's really about Him is just adding insult to injury in God's eyes. It's blasphemous.
Why not 'Christianize' Halloween as well? Why don't we just dress up as Biblical figures and have parties at the church instead of trick-or-treating. (Oh wait...Some of us are already doing this. 'Jesus is the reason' for that too, right?)
P.S. It doesn't matter how 'traditional' or old a practice is: That does not make it correct. "Christ-Mass" is quite obviously not in the New Testament; and it is highly presumptuous to 'add' things to the faith that God gave us, or to take anything away from it. He gave it to us as He wanted it to be: What is there is there for a reason, and what is not there is not there for a reason. (He didn't forget to add Christmas.)
Every Christian who deviates from the doctrine of the New Testament, however they may, is going to have to give an account to God for it, regardless of how many other people were doing or not doing the same things.
If most people are sinning, that doesn't mean that their sin is no longer sin, because it's become commonplace and acceptable to the majority.
If most Christians celebrate Christmas---even if ALL of them did---that doesn't mean it's acceptable or pleasing to God, or that it is a part of Christianity---or that they won't have to give an account to God for doing it.
A wise Christian would concern him or herself with what the New Testament teaches and order his or her practice according to that, and not according to what other Christians are or aren't doing, teach or don't teach, believe or don't believe.
Even if we are choosing not to live according to the doctrine of the New Testament---'modifying' Christianity to suit ourselves, or because we choose not to study and learn for ourselves what the NT actually teaches---God is still judging us by what the New Testament actually teaches and by the standard of the New Testament, and will judge us by that on the Day---and not by our misconceptions or the rules that we make for ourselves.
Of course Christmas is not about Jesus; it's about the people who celebrate it, and what they want to do. So they justify keeping it any way they can---because it's 'fun'; because all their friends and family do it; because they don't want to be left out or thought ill of; because they don't want to hurt their friends', co-workers' and relatives' feelings; because they like the gifts; because their kids want to celebrate it; because little Johnny sings so beautifully in the choir...Because, because, because...
You'd be surprised (unpleasantly surprised) by how stubborn people who have their heart set on themself and their own way can be. It would almost be 'better' if they celebrated "Christ-Mass" by some other name, like Yule or Saturnalia, as a pagan festival. At least they would be honest! Putting Jesus in it/on it and saying that it's really about Him is just adding insult to injury in God's eyes. It's blasphemous.
Why not 'Christianize' Halloween as well? Why don't we just dress up as Biblical figures and have parties at the church instead of trick-or-treating. (Oh wait...Some of us are already doing this. 'Jesus is the reason' for that too, right?)
P.S. It doesn't matter how 'traditional' or old a practice is: That does not make it correct. "Christ-Mass" is quite obviously not in the New Testament; and it is highly presumptuous to 'add' things to the faith that God gave us, or to take anything away from it. He gave it to us as He wanted it to be: What is there is there for a reason, and what is not there is not there for a reason. (He didn't forget to add Christmas.)
Every Christian who deviates from the doctrine of the New Testament, however they may, is going to have to give an account to God for it, regardless of how many other people were doing or not doing the same things.
If most people are sinning, that doesn't mean that their sin is no longer sin, because it's become commonplace and acceptable to the majority.
If most Christians celebrate Christmas---even if ALL of them did---that doesn't mean it's acceptable or pleasing to God, or that it is a part of Christianity---or that they won't have to give an account to God for doing it.
A wise Christian would concern him or herself with what the New Testament teaches and order his or her practice according to that, and not according to what other Christians are or aren't doing, teach or don't teach, believe or don't believe.
Even if we are choosing not to live according to the doctrine of the New Testament---'modifying' Christianity to suit ourselves, or because we choose not to study and learn for ourselves what the NT actually teaches---God is still judging us by what the New Testament actually teaches and by the standard of the New Testament, and will judge us by that on the Day---and not by our misconceptions or the rules that we make for ourselves.
I started Christmas day by attending a midnight Mass. We sang Carols and took Communion. There was no hint of Mithrus or Venus worship in the service anytime while I was there. Perhaps I should have sneaked back to make sure the Vicar and some of the congregation wernt busy calling up the Devil while my back was turned.