Christ-mass is Pagan.

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blue_ladybug

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I have already stated that it is HOW you celebrate a holiday, that makes it pagan or not.. Do you celebrate it for the presents, or do a ritual worship of the tree? Or do you make it all about Jesus, like it was intended to be celebrated?


so do you beleve christmas is on that pagan list?
 

Grandpa

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#82
Do you think Hanukkah is pagan?

I don't think we have any threads about that...
 

jb

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#83
All while people freeze to death all over the nation. Who knows, maybe one less pair of pants, socks or an orange in a sock, would be money better spent than on self self self. But then again, charities would probably use it for the Christmas party.
Intead of pointing your finger at others about doing nothing for the poor at Christmas, let me ask you this:

What are YOU doing about it?

And get yourself a life!
 
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Galatea

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True, but I'm not responsible for everyone else, just myself. If I know something to be condoning bad behaviour, a false tree/present tradition from a guy who punched an arian at the council of nicine, where Christians shut themselves in churches for nativities and still watch garbage tinsel TV, than preach the gospel. I think I'm supposed to point it out, and see if anyone has a valid point.

Yes history is pagan, oh wait, were gentiles, we follow Christ, and the Bible, that says don't eat lest you offend a new brother, as a stumbling block for him/her, God is a jealous God, fun is flesh, and no one really cares because they can actually forget about God, feel nice and stuff their faces by a cozy fire, with chestnuts n giblets.

Forget it, I'll just do what you say, might as well but a new printer anyway.
I point you again to the scriptures that speak of joy. “Rejoice always.” If Christmas traditions bring joy, I think people are doing what God likes. It is not a sin to have a Christmas tree.
 
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Galatea

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I think getting the origin is extremely difficult. Because if you look at Adam and Eve, the tree in the garden of Eden, the gift of fruit knowledge, self gain against God.

You can probably see that everyone is nearly directly related to VENUS and the tree worship is related to the gifts from the tree of knowledge of sin etc, and Adam is sometimes MARS, OR other? Referenced as a STAR.

My accuracy maybe slightly off?? But all this goes back to the Catholic church, then sun worshipping emperor Constantine, then Baal and grove, then garden of Eden fall of man.

The Christmas video's on grace and truth ministries YouTube, can show more details also.
What a mish mash. Eve is not Venus nor was Adam Mars. What in the world? If you want to get your mythology straight, Christmas trees come from Norse mythology, when the Vikings would erect an evergreen on top of their houses in order to be a talisman against the winter.
 
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does this thread seem liek an honest assessment in any way shape or form?

Where is the consulting of Scripture to see if this day has origins in the Word or if it is a permissible form of worship?

where is the historical facts in encyclopeias shown the origins of ths day?
Worshiping Christ is always permissible. We worship him on the holiday called Christmas. We also worship him today on a holiday called Thanksgiving that the JW's won't celebrate.

We're going to worship him on New Years Day. Then on Easter. Then on other days that end with the letter "y."

While all the "pagans" do their thing, we'll do ours. Kind of like Daniel, when the whole kingdom was ordered to worship the image, on those same days he worshiped God. In today's economy of how others are treated by the uptight false-gospelizing legalists, he would have been blasted for it in his day, by the likes of "some" in this thread because they couldn't find "a verse."

Yep, Scripture is correct; the letter kills...
 

Grandpa

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What a mish mash. Eve is not Venus nor was Adam Mars. What in the world? If you want to get your mythology straight, Christmas trees come from Norse mythology, when the Vikings would erect an evergreen on top of their houses in order to be a talisman against the winter.
We're not allowed to do that anymore?
 

Hizikyah

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I have already stated that it is HOW you celebrate a holiday, that makes it pagan or not.. Do you celebrate it for the presents, or do a ritual worship of the tree? Or do you make it all about Jesus, like it was intended to be celebrated?
so if one uses pagan customs for Jesus is that acceptable worship?
 
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Galatea

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so if one uses pagan customs for Jesus is that acceptable worship?
Did you ever think maybe these pagan practices are redeemed if they are used in a way to glorify God? Let us say a Christmas tree causes people in a family or community to be happy and feel kind toward one another, is it not redeemed?
 

prove-all

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I would also like to ask what happens if someone celebrates Christmas?
What are the consequences for it? What exactly?
my guess

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
 

vic1980

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Here is a proposal , study how Jesus Christ & His Apostle lived. Examine the world & if it lines up with Christ Doctrine.

This subject should not include feelings , but to stand for The Truth.


God bless
 
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Hizikyah

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Did you ever think maybe these pagan practices are redeemed if they are used in a way to glorify God? Let us say a Christmas tree causes people in a family or community to be happy and feel kind toward one another, is it not redeemed?
Is this "redeeming of pagan practices" in Scripture or a man made doctrine. If it is in Scripture I would like to see it because I have never seen such a doctrine written in the Word.

but I have seen passages about true worship:

Yahanan (John) 4:23-24, “But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth; for the Father seeks just such worshipers to worship Him. YHWH is a Spirit Being; and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.”

1 Corinthians 10:20-21, “No, but what the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to Yah, and I do not wish you to become sharers with demons. You are not able to drink the cup of the Master and the cup of demons, you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons.”

Deuteronomy 12:29-32, “When YHWH your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods (elohim), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way,..”

Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”

 
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my guess

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Okay. So God gets angry when people celebrate Christmas, and you just made it a sin? Nice going
 

Studyman

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I wondered why most people celebrate christ-mass when it was illegal 300+ years ago in America. And that people in the only testament were punished for tree worship/ Baal and grove etc.

Also, it apparently stems from Venus worship, a triangle covered with gold, silver, with a star above.

How and why do you excuse yourself???
I find it fascinating that the man made "Feast unto the Lord" Christmas, by far the greatest High Day in Mainstream Christianity celebrated by billions of people for centuries, and by pagans for centuries before that, is not mentioned or prophesied in the bible, except for Jer. 10 where God said don't do it.


It is so big now that it's collapse would cause the collapse of money markets world wide and nations economies like the US would crumble. Millions of people out of work just where the tree and the ornaments made to decorate it are concerned.

Yet not one word about this great "Christian" High Day that is observed by almost every self proclaimed Christian in the world. Not one word of prophesy in the Old Testament regarding in except Jer. 10, Not one word about it in any of the future prophesies regarding after Jesus 2nd coming. Nothing in the Old Testament.

In the New Testament there is one place that speaks to it a little.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev. 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Amazing that the most holy day man has ever created, was not spoken about by Jesus, His Apostles, not His Prophets of old, accept not to do it.


In contrast the Sabbaths Jesus created for man, before He became a man, is mentioned 147 time in the Bible(KJV). It was mentioned upon creation and was prophesied still be in effect after He comes back as scriptures prophesies. It is mentioned 55 times in the New Testament (KJV) and Jesus said it was made for man, and that He is the Lord of it.


I find this fascinating that man rejects a Commandment Created by Jesus before becoming a man, that is spoken of so many times in His Word past, and future, that is said to be "Holy to God" and "Holy to man", but is rejected by Mainstream Christians almost universally. But a "Feast unto the Lord" that the Mainstream Christian Church created in disobedience to God's instruction, created by man to fall on an ancient sun worship high day, is given great honor and respect and is observed almost universally.

You can speak out against God's Sabbath, Jesus is Lord of, and get likes on this forum all day long. But if you want to


get spiritually stoned to death, just start telling truths about this "Tradition of man".
 
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Galatea

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Is this "redeeming of pagan practices" in Scripture or a man made doctrine. If it is in Scripture I would like to see it because I have never seen such a doctrine written in the Word.

but I have seen passages about true worship:

Yahanan (John) 4:23-24, “But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth; for the Father seeks just such worshipers to worship Him. YHWH is a Spirit Being; and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.”

1 Corinthians 10:20-21, “No, but what the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to Yah, and I do not wish you to become sharers with demons. You are not able to drink the cup of the Master and the cup of demons, you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons.”

Deuteronomy 12:29-32, “When YHWH your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods (elohim), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way,..”

Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”

I John 4:7 “Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.”

Galatians 5:14 “For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”

When I was a kid, my mom showed love toward us by giving us a Christmas tree- a thing of beauty is a joy forever. It is loving to give children Christmas trees. There is no law against love.
 

Hizikyah

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I John 4:7 “Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.”

Galatians 5:14 “For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”

When I was a kid, my mom showed love toward us by giving us a Christmas tree- a thing of beauty is a joy forever. It is loving to give children Christmas trees. There is no law against love.
love is the right way to walk and is YHWH hoever I donst see how these verses show the "redemming of pagan practices?"
 

JairCrawford

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God has a history of using other religions to reveal Himself in the past. Consider the Magi and the morning star. He used it to guide them to Him.

And dare I say, many of the sacrifice rituals described in Leviticus show great similarities to the pagan practices of the time, yet He showed Himself through all of that.

IMHO, we need to lose the religiousness and celebrate our -relationship- with Christ. He is the reason for the season after all!
 

vic1980

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I John 4:7 “Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.”

Galatians 5:14 “For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”

When I was a kid, my mom showed love toward us by giving us a Christmas tree- a thing of beauty is a joy forever. It is loving to give children Christmas trees. There is no law against love.
Many children are drawn to a false joy with presents , decorated trees , santa & his elfs. The Love you are encoraging with christmas trees , is not the Love God has taught His people. In prayer study upon these things dear.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Shalom