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I'm not really posting in this thread but since you mentioned it
the entire conviction of personal conviction with ensuing op, is that personal conviction IS the conviction the convictor wishes everyone to understand as the proper conviction
no satisfaction is ever gained from keeping such conviction to yourself as part of the conviction demands said conviction is properly advanced to any and all, complete with dire biblical warnings that are liberally sprinkled throughout with the understanding that context, in this case, is a nuisance and not warranted
as all such op's are so similar in their presentation, and often initiated by a relatively new member to the forums, it will run its course as have all the others and the initiate to the forums will be forever grateful to the members who took the time to verify the concern had by the op and thereby confirm that they were right in the first place
the entire conviction of personal conviction with ensuing op, is that personal conviction IS the conviction the convictor wishes everyone to understand as the proper conviction
no satisfaction is ever gained from keeping such conviction to yourself as part of the conviction demands said conviction is properly advanced to any and all, complete with dire biblical warnings that are liberally sprinkled throughout with the understanding that context, in this case, is a nuisance and not warranted
as all such op's are so similar in their presentation, and often initiated by a relatively new member to the forums, it will run its course as have all the others and the initiate to the forums will be forever grateful to the members who took the time to verify the concern had by the op and thereby confirm that they were right in the first place
I don't see anyone pushing a personal conviction. I know I'm not. I was simply asking a question regarding the Sanctity of God's Word. Since Jesus was very clear, both as the Word, and also as the Word which became Flesh that a believer must "Repent", then "Turn to God", I assume we are to turn to God for instruction in repentance. (How would we know how to if we didn't) Then we are to bring "works" worthy of repentance according to the Bible.
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Matt. 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And as Paul confirmed;
Acts 26:
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
So what works should we, who have repented and turned to the God of the Bible do that are worthy of repentance? Should we rely on the Word of God for this instruction? Or the word of man?
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of (Mans) works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
It seems, according to The Word of God, that when we "turn to God" we find what those "Good Works" are and then we walk in them, like Jesus did. He said He writes HIS Laws on the minds of His People, YES? And we find these Laws in His Word, YES? If He didn't want us "doing" these "good Works", why did Jesus promise to write them on his peoples mind?
But there are "many", who come in Christ's name, who don't walk in the Work's God created beforehand that we should walk in them, that we were created in Christ Jesus unto. They follow other "works" created by religious man centuries ago in some cases.
We find no reference in God's Word for some of their doctrines or for some of the great High days they promote, but we find all sorts of references to folks refusing to walk in the "Good Works" God created beforehand.
Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, (Before ordained by God, Yes?) where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk therein.
So it isn't about "personal" conviction in my view, rather, Checking ourselves with the Word of God that He had created for our "Instruction in Righteousness".
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I get where your heart is. But as far as holidays like Easter or Christmas they get everyone into church even the non believers. Just like Pesach and Yom Kippur get all of us Jews into the synagogue, even the non religious. Not much difference. At Least this holidays, Eater, Christmas do not believe in false gods, like the easter bunny or santa clause....
As for the days people observe to the LORD..
Romans 14: KJV
5 "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. {6} He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. {7} For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself."
So what ever you do in regard to days and what you do o them be fully persuaded in your own mind about it so that you conscience will be clear on it before the LORD..
Romans 14: KJV
5 "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. {6} He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. {7} For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself."
So what ever you do in regard to days and what you do o them be fully persuaded in your own mind about it so that you conscience will be clear on it before the LORD..
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If an individual wants to be in bondage to the letter of the law and practice a mongrel form of Judaism its their choice. They should remember however that first century Jews practiced it right up to the time until God destroyed their Temple and City at Passover in
AD70. Seeing that the physical aspects of the Festivals relied on living in the land and having a Temple its now impossible for anyone to celebrate any of them exactly the way God intended.
AD70. Seeing that the physical aspects of the Festivals relied on living in the land and having a Temple its now impossible for anyone to celebrate any of them exactly the way God intended.
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We are not told precisely at what time Christ arose from the dead, but it is more likely that it was after midnight on the day after the Sabbath.
Which would have been the first day of the week (what we commonly call Sunday, but which is called "the first day of the week" in the NT, also known as the Lord's Day).
According to Hebrew reckoning the 24 hour day began and ended at sundown, so as soon as Saturday ended, Sunday began.
Which would have been the first day of the week (what we commonly call Sunday, but which is called "the first day of the week" in the NT, also known as the Lord's Day).
According to Hebrew reckoning the 24 hour day began and ended at sundown, so as soon as Saturday ended, Sunday began.
We all know that present day christianity is 'geared to celebrate pagan/worldly holidays that everybody goes along with....DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT ????
GOD/scripture says ''come out of her (this evil world)''which is not 'literally possible as things stand now - it holding the majority vote. BUT we can ''come out of it SPIRITUALLY by AGREEING WITH GOD that HIS HOLY DAYS are LEGITIMATE and NOT our own chosen days !!!
GOD/scripture says ''come out of her (this evil world)''which is not 'literally possible as things stand now - it holding the majority vote. BUT we can ''come out of it SPIRITUALLY by AGREEING WITH GOD that HIS HOLY DAYS are LEGITIMATE and NOT our own chosen days !!!
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True we are NOT told exactly when Yashua arose, but we know He WAS ALREADY RISEN when the women got to the tomb while still dark Joh 20v1 (according to you around midnight to early morning) yet scripture does NOT SAY SO. It says 'He was risen and not there Mk 16v6....please note, already risen and gone.
I will remind you AGAIN that this is NOT to be calculated according to ANYONES reckoning but ACCORDING to SCRIPTURE 1Cor 15v4,5; and SCRIPTURE says there are 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night Joh 11v9. Add these up and you get 72 hours Yashua HIMSELF said He would be IN THE TOMB. So WHEN was He entombed ? was it during the night ? NO, it was before sunset AS THE SABBATH DREW ON....thuesday had not yet arrived when He was already in the tomb Lk 24v54. Please count 72 hours from Wed sunset and you will get the scriptural resurrection day which is Sabbath before sunset !!!
I will remind you AGAIN that this is NOT to be calculated according to ANYONES reckoning but ACCORDING to SCRIPTURE 1Cor 15v4,5; and SCRIPTURE says there are 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night Joh 11v9. Add these up and you get 72 hours Yashua HIMSELF said He would be IN THE TOMB. So WHEN was He entombed ? was it during the night ? NO, it was before sunset AS THE SABBATH DREW ON....thuesday had not yet arrived when He was already in the tomb Lk 24v54. Please count 72 hours from Wed sunset and you will get the scriptural resurrection day which is Sabbath before sunset !!!
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I know that is what it being taught by Christianity. But Jesus didn't teach that the Pharisees were "following the letter of the Law". He taught just the opposite.
In fact, there is not one place in the New Testament where Jesus ever suggested, implied, or otherwise instructed us that the Pharisees were "obedient" to God Laws, honored God's Laws, were striving to follow God's Laws, Loved God, Glorified God, respected God. Nothing, it isn't there, He never said any of these things. He said the opposite.
Yet, the religion I was born into seems to disregard this Biblical truth and for some reason teaches against what Jesus taught regarding the Pharisees.
There was mention of one Levite who did Honor God, Love God, Strive to obey God, Glorify God. His name was Zechariahs. It might be prudent to note that Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came, yet the Pharisees, including Saul, did not. There is a stark difference between how the Bible describes Zechariahs and his relationship with God and how the Bible describes the Pharisees and their relationship.
This "Christian Tradition" of preaching the Pharisees were following God's Laws has always been a great frustration to me given the Bible teaches the opposite. I have tried many times to open a discussion, have a conversation regarding this, but have found out that religious tradition is, in many folks mind, more precious than Biblical truth.
I think this was also a huge problem with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time as well.
In fact, there is not one place in the New Testament where Jesus ever suggested, implied, or otherwise instructed us that the Pharisees were "obedient" to God Laws, honored God's Laws, were striving to follow God's Laws, Loved God, Glorified God, respected God. Nothing, it isn't there, He never said any of these things. He said the opposite.
Yet, the religion I was born into seems to disregard this Biblical truth and for some reason teaches against what Jesus taught regarding the Pharisees.
There was mention of one Levite who did Honor God, Love God, Strive to obey God, Glorify God. His name was Zechariahs. It might be prudent to note that Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came, yet the Pharisees, including Saul, did not. There is a stark difference between how the Bible describes Zechariahs and his relationship with God and how the Bible describes the Pharisees and their relationship.
This "Christian Tradition" of preaching the Pharisees were following God's Laws has always been a great frustration to me given the Bible teaches the opposite. I have tried many times to open a discussion, have a conversation regarding this, but have found out that religious tradition is, in many folks mind, more precious than Biblical truth.
I think this was also a huge problem with the Mainstream Church of Christ's time as well.
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Actually we were told when He would rise. 3 days and 3 nights after His Burial. If it were not for religious traditions of man which have influenced us since our youth, it would be a no-brainer. He was buried just before sundown on Wednesday evening, and He rose 3 days and 3 nights later, just before sundown on Saturday evening. If it weren't for man made religious traditions, we would all accept this truth.
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The fact that Easter did not originate with the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Encyclopedias and dictionaries trace the term Easter variously back to Eostre ,
the name of the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring; to Eostur , the Norse word for the
spring season; or to Ishtar , the ancient spring goddess of Near Eastern countries,
also known as Astarte , or, in the Bible, Ashtoreth .
All are connected to the spring season and springtime fertility festivals that represented
rejuvenation, reproduction and the life-enriching qualities of the sun. Customs and symbols
associated today with Easter observance can be directly traced back to Easter's pre-Christian origins.
The Babylonians taught that Tammuz was mystically revived from death in the spring by the
anguish and crying of Ishtar, who, as already noted, was the same as the pagan goddess
Ashtoreth referred to in Scripture (Judges:2:13; 10:6; 1 Kings:11:5).
This ancient custom of mourning for the return of a dead god is mentioned in Ezekiel:8:14,
where we read of women "weeping for Tammuz." His supposed resurrection marked the end
of winter and the beginning of spring, with its new life and vegetation.
Ishtar, wife of Tammuz, was also worshiped as the "Queen of Heaven" ( Harper's Bible Dictionary ,
"Asherah"). The Bible shows that idolatry and sun worship connected with Ishtar and Tammuz became
so widespread and influential that they were practiced even by people who had once known the true God
but had fallen into wrong kinds of worship (Ezekiel:8:12-18)
the Sabbath and the festivals of God, outlined in Leviticus 23 and practiced by both Judaism
and the early Church (see Acts:13:14, 42, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4, 21; 20:6, 16; 27:9),
were supplanted by non biblical traditions and practices.
The pagan festival honoring the goddess of spring (renamed Easter) began to supplant the
Christian Passover. "In Rome Easter was celebrated on the Sunday following the full moon
after the spring equinox, and was a memorial of the resurrection" (The Oxford Illustrated
History of Christianity, 1990, p. 36).
The Christian Passover, instituted by Jesus to annually commemorate His death, was subtly
changed to a celebration memorializing His resurrection. But there is no command in the Bible,
by Jesus or His apostles, to solemnize His resurrection.
Instead, Jesus highlighted what was to be accomplished by His death in instituting new symbols
for the New Covenant meaning of the Passover (Matthew:26:26-28; Mark:14:22-24; Luke:22:17-20)
He was the Lamb of God who offered Himself as the true Passover sacrifice for the sins of the world
, and His death fulfilled what had long been foreshadowed by the slaying of the Passover lambs.
Notice this frank admission from the Catholic Encyclopedia’s article on Easter: “[Easter] is also
the oldest feast of the Christian Church, as old as Christianity, the connecting link between the
Old and New Testaments. That the apostolic fathers do not mention it and that we first hear of it
principally through the Controversy of the Quartodecimans are purely accidental”
(emphasis ours throughout).
The New Catholic Encyclopedia adds: "Originally both observances [Passover and Easter] were allowed,
but gradually it was felt incongruous that Christians should celebrate Easter on a Jewish feast, and unity
in celebrating the principal Christian feast was called for" .
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4116
the Passover ceremony, observed by Jesus Christ and commanded by Him for His followers
(1 Corinthians:11:23-26
As part of the mixing of this ancient pagan festival with the death and resurrection of Christ,
whether to keep Easter, and if so on what date, was heatedly debated during the second century.
A group in Asia Minor known as the Quartodecimans (after the Latin word for 14) rigorously
defended the original biblical truths. They insisted on an observance of the Christian Passover
on the correct biblical date, the 14th day of the month Nisan on the Hebrew calendar. This was
a movable date, meaning it did not fall on the same weekly or Roman calendar day each year.
"In the mid-second century, however, some Gentile Christians began to celebrate [Easter] on
the Sunday after 14 Nisan, with the preceding Friday observed as the day of Christ's crucifixion,
regardless of the date on which it fell. The resulting controversy over the correct time for observing
the Easter festival reached a head in A.D. 197, when Victor of Rome excommunicated those
Christians who insisted on celebrating Easter [actually the Passover] on 14 Nisan.
The dispute continued until the early fourth century, when the Quarto-decimans . . . were required
by Emperor Constantine to conform to the empire-wide practice of observing Easter on the Sunday
following 14 Nisan, rather than on the date itself.
"Currently celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox
[the Council of Nicea fixed this date in A.D. 325], Easter falls differently for [Eastern] Orthodox
Christianity which, unlike Western Christianity, did not accept the Gregorian calendar reform in 1582"
(Harper's Bible Dictionary, 1985, "Easter").
the world's observance of Easter is a curious mixture of ancient mythological and idolatrous practices
and arbitrary dating that actually obscure and discredit the proof of Jesus Christ's messiahship and
resurrection. The Passover was discarded and replaced with Easter.
This gives some of the background on how Friday came to be observed as the time of Jesus' crucifixion,
and the following Sunday as the date of His resurrection.
If Jesus were in the grave only from late Friday afternoon to sometime before dawn
on Sunday morning, then the only sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah
was not fulfilled. The claim of His messiahship rests on the fulfillment of His words
Each of the Gospel writers gives an account of the events, but each presents different
aspects that we need to correctly synchronize and harmonize to produce a clear sequence
and understanding of what happened.
The Bible does not contradict itself (Psalm:119:160; John:10:35), that not one
of the Gospel accounts contradicts what the other Gospels reveal.
Encyclopedias and dictionaries trace the term Easter variously back to Eostre ,
the name of the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring; to Eostur , the Norse word for the
spring season; or to Ishtar , the ancient spring goddess of Near Eastern countries,
also known as Astarte , or, in the Bible, Ashtoreth .
All are connected to the spring season and springtime fertility festivals that represented
rejuvenation, reproduction and the life-enriching qualities of the sun. Customs and symbols
associated today with Easter observance can be directly traced back to Easter's pre-Christian origins.
The Babylonians taught that Tammuz was mystically revived from death in the spring by the
anguish and crying of Ishtar, who, as already noted, was the same as the pagan goddess
Ashtoreth referred to in Scripture (Judges:2:13; 10:6; 1 Kings:11:5).
This ancient custom of mourning for the return of a dead god is mentioned in Ezekiel:8:14,
where we read of women "weeping for Tammuz." His supposed resurrection marked the end
of winter and the beginning of spring, with its new life and vegetation.
Ishtar, wife of Tammuz, was also worshiped as the "Queen of Heaven" ( Harper's Bible Dictionary ,
"Asherah"). The Bible shows that idolatry and sun worship connected with Ishtar and Tammuz became
so widespread and influential that they were practiced even by people who had once known the true God
but had fallen into wrong kinds of worship (Ezekiel:8:12-18)
the Sabbath and the festivals of God, outlined in Leviticus 23 and practiced by both Judaism
and the early Church (see Acts:13:14, 42, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4, 21; 20:6, 16; 27:9),
were supplanted by non biblical traditions and practices.
The pagan festival honoring the goddess of spring (renamed Easter) began to supplant the
Christian Passover. "In Rome Easter was celebrated on the Sunday following the full moon
after the spring equinox, and was a memorial of the resurrection" (The Oxford Illustrated
History of Christianity, 1990, p. 36).
The Christian Passover, instituted by Jesus to annually commemorate His death, was subtly
changed to a celebration memorializing His resurrection. But there is no command in the Bible,
by Jesus or His apostles, to solemnize His resurrection.
Instead, Jesus highlighted what was to be accomplished by His death in instituting new symbols
for the New Covenant meaning of the Passover (Matthew:26:26-28; Mark:14:22-24; Luke:22:17-20)
He was the Lamb of God who offered Himself as the true Passover sacrifice for the sins of the world
, and His death fulfilled what had long been foreshadowed by the slaying of the Passover lambs.
Notice this frank admission from the Catholic Encyclopedia’s article on Easter: “[Easter] is also
the oldest feast of the Christian Church, as old as Christianity, the connecting link between the
Old and New Testaments. That the apostolic fathers do not mention it and that we first hear of it
principally through the Controversy of the Quartodecimans are purely accidental”
(emphasis ours throughout).
The New Catholic Encyclopedia adds: "Originally both observances [Passover and Easter] were allowed,
but gradually it was felt incongruous that Christians should celebrate Easter on a Jewish feast, and unity
in celebrating the principal Christian feast was called for" .
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4116
the Passover ceremony, observed by Jesus Christ and commanded by Him for His followers
(1 Corinthians:11:23-26
As part of the mixing of this ancient pagan festival with the death and resurrection of Christ,
whether to keep Easter, and if so on what date, was heatedly debated during the second century.
A group in Asia Minor known as the Quartodecimans (after the Latin word for 14) rigorously
defended the original biblical truths. They insisted on an observance of the Christian Passover
on the correct biblical date, the 14th day of the month Nisan on the Hebrew calendar. This was
a movable date, meaning it did not fall on the same weekly or Roman calendar day each year.
"In the mid-second century, however, some Gentile Christians began to celebrate [Easter] on
the Sunday after 14 Nisan, with the preceding Friday observed as the day of Christ's crucifixion,
regardless of the date on which it fell. The resulting controversy over the correct time for observing
the Easter festival reached a head in A.D. 197, when Victor of Rome excommunicated those
Christians who insisted on celebrating Easter [actually the Passover] on 14 Nisan.
The dispute continued until the early fourth century, when the Quarto-decimans . . . were required
by Emperor Constantine to conform to the empire-wide practice of observing Easter on the Sunday
following 14 Nisan, rather than on the date itself.
"Currently celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox
[the Council of Nicea fixed this date in A.D. 325], Easter falls differently for [Eastern] Orthodox
Christianity which, unlike Western Christianity, did not accept the Gregorian calendar reform in 1582"
(Harper's Bible Dictionary, 1985, "Easter").
the world's observance of Easter is a curious mixture of ancient mythological and idolatrous practices
and arbitrary dating that actually obscure and discredit the proof of Jesus Christ's messiahship and
resurrection. The Passover was discarded and replaced with Easter.
This gives some of the background on how Friday came to be observed as the time of Jesus' crucifixion,
and the following Sunday as the date of His resurrection.
If Jesus were in the grave only from late Friday afternoon to sometime before dawn
on Sunday morning, then the only sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah
was not fulfilled. The claim of His messiahship rests on the fulfillment of His words
Each of the Gospel writers gives an account of the events, but each presents different
aspects that we need to correctly synchronize and harmonize to produce a clear sequence
and understanding of what happened.
The Bible does not contradict itself (Psalm:119:160; John:10:35), that not one
of the Gospel accounts contradicts what the other Gospels reveal.
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