Christian Persecution

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atwhatcost

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To add to my post, we're also the most murderous and lustful nation. There's thousands upon thousands of abortions (murder, blood on the nations hands), and there are millions of porn websites. The list goes on and on and on. To add to that, the U.S. is trying to pull away from the protection and help Israel. Have you ever noticed ever time the U.S. discusses or comes close to discussing it, there is a pretty big catastrophy in the U.S. I call that judgement.
The last post wasn't enough? You really, really, REALLY need to stop getting your theories from an agenda.

Let me catch you up on some American history you seem to have missed all together.

In the days of the Founding Fathers and in this city they founded America on (I live in Philly), unwanted babies were routinely thrown in the trash. And, they didn't have trash pick up back then, and it wasn't once in a while. It was weekly. AND it didn't make the news. Quite often, people passed by that baby until it died and then kept passing by it until it decaded.

Before prohibition, the sidewalks (across the country) were lined with drunks on chairs, as much as the sidewalks in my city's Center City are crowded during rush hour traffic. Men simply chose not to work at an alarming level. Crowded sidewalks full of men who just sat there from early morning to late at night, leaving it to the women to figure out ways to take care of their families, eat, and shelter themselves. And, even though women didn't get the good paying jobs, even though the best they could do was often doing someone else's laundry or darning someone else's socks, their menfolk came home when the money was paid, took it, bought more booze, and continued sitting in public all day and most of the night drunk.

As for blood? You'd do well in learning what became of Jerusalem after Jesus was killed there. In Lev. 26, one of God's many curses including parents eating their young. It happened, in the siege of Jerusalem, because there was nothing else to eat. Read Lev. 26. Become aware that every single curse God laid down in that book has already happened, several times, to the Israelites and it has happened, is happening, will happen to other nations. The US is merely at the top of the list and working our way down through it all.

Don't tell me we're worse than before. We're just no better than before. Only God changes hearts to the good. You need more faith in God, because there is no hope in Man.

You really need to learn real history and get out of agenda-laden churches. What you call a judgement isn't half as big as God's real judgements.
 
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Biblelogic01

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The Bible says everyone is called to be a minster of reconciliation, that includes you. Christianity is not a spectators sport.
Jesus did 5 things: Preach, teach, heal, demonstrate and deliver. He taught his disciples to do the same, and this is the mission of the entire church.

It is evident you think God wants to judge this nation, but forget that he is not slack concerning his promise, that all men would come to repentance.

Can you lead someone out of the kingdom of darkness, or is it easier for you to sit on the sidelines while others make the plays for Jesus Christ?!?! You might not be called to lead a nation, but you are called to reconcile sons and daughters back to God and lead someone out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of his dear son.

Apathy is not found anywhere in the Bible. There is only do or do not, there is no try.


The young adult generation is exactly the opposite of what you state. You are seeing symptoms of their condition.

Can you see this generation is calling out for real love, or does your apathy blind you as it does so many self professed christians today.

Put on your kingdom glasses and see their are 2 kingdoms, light and darkness and you are called to bring those our of darkness and into the light.

Not site back with false humility and beleiving the lie from hell, that god his judging the nation and there is not anything you can do about it.

With that kind of thinking David would have never defeated Goliath, Elisha would have never crossed the Jordan, Jehu would ahve never kicked Jezebelle out a window and Moses would have never seen the people delivered.

The clock is ticking...what are you goign to do about it, but complain?
I never said I don't teach or I don't lead others to Christ and what not. I'm not gonig to battle the entire nation though, because that's what it sounds like you're trying to get me to say that.

Should probably rephrase your question as far as "What are you doing about it?" Because with that question you're implying that I have the ability to change the nation's mind, which I do not, which is what I'm saying.
When I have the chance, I do witness to others. I don't sit idle.
I help out with ministry out reaches from time to time.
And also I'm not complaining, a matter a fact the sooner judgement comes, means the sooner our Lord returns. Which I think that's something majority of follwers are looking forward to.

And what your stating is that there is a way to avoid the prophecies. . . . .
If there is a way, then so be it. But God set those prophecies and everyone on the planet will be judged. We cannot change that.

I mean we can argue this, but scripture is scripture. Prophecies are prochecies. I will lead as many as I can to salvation, but in the end there will still be judgement.

The original post I replied to seemed that just because we live in the U.S. that we are safe from judgement. Which is false.

Overall I can see what you're saying, and I do agree with it.

What I'm stating is there is no way to avoid the persecution for followers in the next 15-30 years. I'm not saying it's pointless to lead others to salvation. Which is what it looks like you're accusing me of
 
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oldthennew

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Biblelogical01,

your dilemma is over-whelming for many in this day and age --

'Fear God and Keep His Commandments' - you will do well if you can obey this -
and it will most assuredly give you peace and comfort and will give you a Spiritual knowledge
that your Heavenly Father will lead you where-ever He wants to go and to do what-ever He requires you to do....
 
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Biblelogic01

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The last post wasn't enough? You really, really, REALLY need to stop getting your theories from an agenda.

Let me catch you up on some American history you seem to have missed all together.

In the days of the Founding Fathers and in this city they founded America on (I live in Philly), unwanted babies were routinely thrown in the trash. And, they didn't have trash pick up back then, and it wasn't once in a while. It was weekly. AND it didn't make the news. Quite often, people passed by that baby until it died and then kept passing by it until it decaded.

Before prohibition, the sidewalks (across the country) were lined with drunks on chairs, as much as the sidewalks in my city's Center City are crowded during rush hour traffic. Men simply chose not to work at an alarming level. Crowded sidewalks full of men who just sat there from early morning to late at night, leaving it to the women to figure out ways to take care of their families, eat, and shelter themselves. And, even though women didn't get the good paying jobs, even though the best they could do was often doing someone else's laundry or darning someone else's socks, their menfolk came home when the money was paid, took it, bought more booze, and continued sitting in public all day and most of the night drunk.

As for blood? You'd do well in learning what became of Jerusalem after Jesus was killed there. In Lev. 26, one of God's many curses including parents eating their young. It happened, in the siege of Jerusalem, because there was nothing else to eat. Read Lev. 26. Become aware that every single curse God laid down in that book has already happened, several times, to the Israelites and it has happened, is happening, will happen to other nations. The US is merely at the top of the list and working our way down through it all.

Don't tell me we're worse than before. We're just no better than before. Only God changes hearts to the good. You need more faith in God, because there is no hope in Man.

You really need to learn real history and get out of agenda-laden churches. What you call a judgement isn't half as big as God's real judgements.

Did you know there is almost on average a million abortions a year since the early 2000s?
That's a lot of blood.
And I'm not disagreeing with what you're stating, I'm stating that the U.S. is not safe from God's judgement, which is what the post I replied to looked like it was saying.
 
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I never said I don't teach or I don't lead others to Christ and what not. I'm not gonig to battle the entire nation though, because that's what it sounds like you're trying to get me to say that.

Should probably rephrase your question as far as "What are you doing about it?" Because with that question you're implying that I have the ability to change the nation's mind, which I do not, which is what I'm saying.
When I have the chance, I do witness to others. I don't sit idle.
I help out with ministry out reaches from time to time.
And also I'm not complaining, a matter a fact the sooner judgement comes, means the sooner our Lord returns. Which I think that's something majority of follwers are looking forward to.

And what your stating is that there is a way to avoid the prophecies. . . . .
If there is a way, then so be it. But God set those prophecies and everyone on the planet will be judged. We cannot change that.

I mean we can argue this, but scripture is scripture. Prophecies are prochecies. I will lead as many as I can to salvation, but in the end there will still be judgement.

The original post I replied to seemed that just because we live in the U.S. that we are safe from judgement. Which is false.

Overall I can see what you're saying, and I do agree with it.

What I'm stating is there is no way to avoid the persecution for followers in the next 15-30 years. I'm not saying it's pointless to lead others to salvation. Which is what it looks like you're accusing me of
Thank you for the clarifications
 
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The last post wasn't enough? You really, really, REALLY need to stop getting your theories from an agenda.

Let me catch you up on some American history you seem to have missed all together.

In the days of the Founding Fathers and in this city they founded America on (I live in Philly), unwanted babies were routinely thrown in the trash. And, they didn't have trash pick up back then, and it wasn't once in a while. It was weekly. AND it didn't make the news. Quite often, people passed by that baby until it died and then kept passing by it until it decaded.

Before prohibition, the sidewalks (across the country) were lined with drunks on chairs, as much as the sidewalks in my city's Center City are crowded during rush hour traffic. Men simply chose not to work at an alarming level. Crowded sidewalks full of men who just sat there from early morning to late at night, leaving it to the women to figure out ways to take care of their families, eat, and shelter themselves. And, even though women didn't get the good paying jobs, even though the best they could do was often doing someone else's laundry or darning someone else's socks, their menfolk came home when the money was paid, took it, bought more booze, and continued sitting in public all day and most of the night drunk.

As for blood? You'd do well in learning what became of Jerusalem after Jesus was killed there. In Lev. 26, one of God's many curses including parents eating their young. It happened, in the siege of Jerusalem, because there was nothing else to eat. Read Lev. 26. Become aware that every single curse God laid down in that book has already happened, several times, to the Israelites and it has happened, is happening, will happen to other nations. The US is merely at the top of the list and working our way down through it all.

Don't tell me we're worse than before. We're just no better than before. Only God changes hearts to the good. You need more faith in God, because there is no hope in Man.

You really need to learn real history and get out of agenda-laden churches. What you call a judgement isn't half as big as God's real judgements.
This is one of the best posts I have read in awhile. The church is getting apathetic and their love is growing cold, because lawlessness and wickedness abound.

Yes it is, but it is no where as bad as it was. The veil of evil manifestation has not been lifted yet, we are getting peeks everyday, but no where close to even the days of Noah.

Are we headed there, sure. The church has become attraction based and not mission based. The plan of redemption is found from Genesis to Revelation. God wants us ALL back.

While I am not surprised at the apathy and love growing cold, because the Bible says it would, it makes the top of my mouth itch. The church today thinks its bad now!?!?

wait....
 
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atwhatcost

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This is one of the best posts I have read in awhile. The church is getting apathetic and their love is growing cold, because lawlessness and wickedness abound.

Yes it is, but it is no where as bad as it was. The veil of evil manifestation has not been lifted yet, we are getting peeks everyday, but no where close to even the days of Noah.

Are we headed there, sure. The church has become attraction based and not mission based. The plan of redemption is found from Genesis to Revelation. God wants us ALL back.

While I am not surprised at the apathy and love growing cold, because the Bible says it would, it makes the top of my mouth itch. The church today thinks its bad now!?!?

wait....
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Gen. 6:5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nothing has changed as far as Man's heart goes. There is no wait. It's here. We merely hide it better now from millenniums of practice. The only heart-change is God.[/FONT]
 

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The evil of man's heart is the same but the restraints on evil is being lifted.
Isn't that right Dr. Spock?
 
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JesusIsAll

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The evil of man's heart is the same but the restraints on evil is being lifted.
Isn't that right Dr. Spock?

This is at the heart of evil. The Lord has ordained that, people who are intransigent, stiffnecked and rebellious to the things of God, and want the things of the devil, can have the devil, in the final analysis. It's very much like, "So, you won't have Me? Then you may have the other guy, who is your lord." God does no evil, if He judges, His judgement righteous. In the scheme of things, the usual case is a matter of "better watch what you ask for." With repeated stupidity, as history proves, mankind asks for the things of Satan, seeks after the things of Satan, man his own worst enemy. The devil isn't even pulling any triggers, or releasing any bombs. Wisdom would start, if people began looking in the mirror for who the enemy is, which is very close to a place at the foot of the cross.
 
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this has been true since about 300a.d.
ever since constntine and the rcc became a joint political power against jesus.

I read somewhere that in the last days that one of the biggest persecutors of true believers will be Christians. What do you think about this?
 
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Yes and no. I went and kept quiet. I honored the pastors showing great respect. Esteeming others better than myself. Did you read 'which pastor'. And no, I did not try to minister. I was not headstrong as you may be suggesting.
Read that piece and you'll see that the hirelings I mention had some major problems. No, I'm not saying im the only one who is despised. All those that surrender completely, no compromise, will experience the same.
I kept quiet about it for years on end. Now I speak and hold not back.
Dont think I enjoy this ministry. I hate it but that's what God has called me to. To simply be totally surrendered.
Unless you can see that the way church is done is not biblical, you'll not understand what we've lived.
it costs a lot to renounce the world's ways, the world's power(s), all society, and all that is evil in power with it,

and few* ever have the will and the courage and take the step of being immersed in yahshua's name to be one with the true believers.

*the was is narrow, and few count the cost and fewer pay the cost to be a disciple of jesus. they want or love the world too much, or they're too scared to.