Churches in apostasy today

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roaringkitten

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This thread will emphasize some points I have made in my other threads, and my observations of what state the church is in today....Not to blanket ALL churches but to direct this thread to the churches who are in apostasy.

1) Many churches are preaching a false gospel(wont emphasize it here in this thread, already have one that speaks of the gospel and one of what repentance means)

2)Many churches preach to their congregation about how they need to give more money to the church. It's become more of a business meeting.

3)Many churches do not EMPHASIZE soul-winning. Instead they prop up their church like entertainment and spend millions of dollars on the latest technology to bring lost sinners in. But they dare not offend them, and preach a watered down gospel without the law.(Galatians 3:24)

"But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:" Matthew 6:20

As a personal testimony, I have had a very hard time connecting to local churches when I was in the States because their messages were mostly about giving money to the church, and feel-good sermons about how I should prosper in life(ie:material wealth and happiness)...I've gone to churches where their WHOLE service was reading the budget report for bigger buildings YET one half the pews were empty! Any person with some sense would say, "go reach the lost in the neighborhood and fill up those pews first, then talk about expanding, if you are to expand at all").

Where are the churches today that preach boldly against sin? Too afraid to offend the community around them, they would rather dress up all churchy, go to their services then go back out into their community and not reach anyone for Christ. What was the Great Commission again?(see Matthew 28:18-20). We were commanded to preach the gospel and to make disciples!

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15

"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:14


"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" 1 Corinthians 9:16


"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ." 1 Peter 3:15-16

The Word clearly asks the very logical question, "how shall they believe in him of whom they HAVE NOT heard"? "How shall they hear without a preacher?"....These questions ought to be addressed by the Christian church today. I hear a lot of preaching about wealth and material goods, and not much on WISDOM and things of ETERNAL value. You can have ALL the knowledge of the Bible and still be unwise. Keeping it all inside is exactly what the devil loves.....But here is what wisdom produces:

"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise." Proverbs 11:30

Instead of a church spending millions of dollars for a fancy stage, lighting, and a bigger building, they could use that money to equip believers for evangelism, care for the needs of the poor, allocate resources to believers(ie:Bibles, tracts, courses, etc) to reach the lost.

To those churches who preach a false gospel, have no business preaching at all......Until they get spiritually right with the Lord. To those churches who have a sound doctrine of salvation and yet do not make it a point to share it, should seriously reconsider what they are doing for the kingdom of God! May this be an encouragement to believers, that we may wake up and reach souls for Christ. Even if YOUR church doesn't do it, you can be the one to initiate it! God bless, I do pray for CC that we would be a shining light to the world(Matthew 5:13-16) and that we would be united in TRUTH and not in worldly philosophy/error(Ephesians 5:11, 2 John 9-11, Romans 12:9, Romans 16:17).
 
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I agree with you 100%.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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While I'm not trying to pick on anyone who believes in eternal security because I feel we can learn a lot from men like Charles Spurgeon and Jonathan Edwards, I can't find anywhere in the bible where it teaches the modern concept of "Carnal Christianity" that is currently being embraced by several churches.

Christianity is about a loving and living relationship with our Lord God. The concept of carnal christianity is nothing but a byproduct of religious wishful thinking.
 

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roaringkitten,


I know you hate sin, false gospels, false doctrine and despise any salvation that is not by grace and through faith in what Jesus Christ did through His death, burial and resurrection. You seem to be one that labors in prayer and believes the scriptures, that commands us to take the gospel into all the world through soul winning, preaching and making disciples of all men. If you do have these convictions from God, then you must be practicing them by faith, beyond any internet posting. If we have a mandate and commandment from our LORD Jesus Christ to go into all the world and preach the gospel, then I can assume that you are doing that fervently, as God's servant and occupying your life with the things of God that accompany your salvation. I can assume that those you have brought to the LORD through the glorious gospel, you are doing your best to make disciples of them and teaching them the whole counsel of God. You must be building up believers in Christ, unto a spiritual house, where Jesus Christ is the head. You must be gathering with these believers on a regular basis and doing it so much the more as you see the day approaching, when Christ comes back for the church, His bride.

The reality of your life must be one that identifies with the Apostle Paul's when he said, I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me...and the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who died and gave His life for me, I do not frustrate the grace of God... for me to live is Christ and to die is gain...death worketh in me but life in others... I die daily... that I may know Him and the fellowship of His sufferings. This must be the life of those that take up a cross and follow the LORD Jesus Christ. Jesus also said that if we are to follow Him we must hate our mother, father, brother, sister, etc and our own life also to be worthy of following Him. Paul also makes reference to following Christ, that those that are married to live as though you are not. I am sure that you are aware of all the heart conditions that God requires of those who are true disciples. I am sure that you are involved with the work of God's ministry of which reconciliation and restoration are continually being performed by our LORD. I am sure that the love you have in your heart, that is shed by the Holy Spirit, is according to the scriptures which also hides and covers a multitude of sin.

Either you are a member of a Spirit-filled local church that is on fire for God or God has raised up one through you, that is going into all the world with the gospel, because of the fire that is in your heart. If God has ordained us to bear fruit, through His word abiding in us and we abiding in Christ, there must be much fruit (30, 60 100 fold) in addition to the fruit of the Spirit. God added souls, as should be added to the church, and we should expect nothing less from God. I am going to tell you in a future post, according to the scriptures, what I see the word of God describing as to the heart and work of a ministry (a local church body) that is raised up of God, that loves God, that lays down their lives, that lives as disciples and sends their people into all the world to preach the gospel to every creature.
 
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Baptistrw

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This thread will emphasize some points I have made in my other threads, and my observations of what state the church is in today....Not to blanket ALL churches but to direct this thread to the churches who are in apostasy.

1) Many churches are preaching a false gospel(wont emphasize it here in this thread, already have one that speaks of the gospel and one of what repentance means)

2)Many churches preach to their congregation about how they need to give more money to the church. It's become more of a business meeting.

3)Many churches do not EMPHASIZE soul-winning. Instead they prop up their church like entertainment and spend millions of dollars on the latest technology to bring lost sinners in. But they dare not offend them, and preach a watered down gospel without the law.(Galatians 3:24)

"But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:" Matthew 6:20

As a personal testimony, I have had a very hard time connecting to local churches when I was in the States because their messages were mostly about giving money to the church, and feel-good sermons about how I should prosper in life(ie:material wealth and happiness)...I've gone to churches where their WHOLE service was reading the budget report for bigger buildings YET one half the pews were empty! Any person with some sense would say, "go reach the lost in the neighborhood and fill up those pews first, then talk about expanding, if you are to expand at all").

Where are the churches today that preach boldly against sin? Too afraid to offend the community around them, they would rather dress up all churchy, go to their services then go back out into their community and not reach anyone for Christ. What was the Great Commission again?(see Matthew 28:18-20). We were commanded to preach the gospel and to make disciples!

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15

"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:14


"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" 1 Corinthians 9:16


"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ." 1 Peter 3:15-16

The Word clearly asks the very logical question, "how shall they believe in him of whom they HAVE NOT heard"? "How shall they hear without a preacher?"....These questions ought to be addressed by the Christian church today. I hear a lot of preaching about wealth and material goods, and not much on WISDOM and things of ETERNAL value. You can have ALL the knowledge of the Bible and still be unwise. Keeping it all inside is exactly what the devil loves.....But here is what wisdom produces:

"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise." Proverbs 11:30

Instead of a church spending millions of dollars for a fancy stage, lighting, and a bigger building, they could use that money to equip believers for evangelism, care for the needs of the poor, allocate resources to believers(ie:Bibles, tracts, courses, etc) to reach the lost.

To those churches who preach a false gospel, have no business preaching at all......Until they get spiritually right with the Lord. To those churches who have a sound doctrine of salvation and yet do not make it a point to share it, should seriously reconsider what they are doing for the kingdom of God! May this be an encouragement to believers, that we may wake up and reach souls for Christ. Even if YOUR church doesn't do it, you can be the one to initiate it! God bless, I do pray for CC that we would be a shining light to the world(Matthew 5:13-16) and that we would be united in TRUTH and not in worldly philosophy/error(Ephesians 5:11, 2 John 9-11, Romans 12:9, Romans 16:17).
Amen, modern churches miss it when it comes to true discipleship.
 
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I guess the question I have to think about is "do all churches need to be soul-winning"? .

Remember there's many functions and aspects of Christ's body, evangelism is but one part. There is also teaching, there's pastoring. One church might simply care and feed for the members it already has. Another might do evangelism.

Although I agree that there is much waste in resources eg with unnecessary buildings etc.

Thinking every church or individuals need to be evangelising 24/7 100%, that's not realistic and you'll find they will either burn out or burn up. God works by seasons. Periods of work and periods of rest. Periods of winning new converts, and periods of growing disciples.

So instead of seeing and expecting every church to be 100% perfect in everything by itself, see each
one as a smaller parts of a greater whole, each different, with different functions and different ways to carry out those functions, etc.

So leave it to God to judge which churches are in apostasy or not. I don't think you see the full picture.
 
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A problem is we seem to expect every church to do everything and be good at it, when that's not how God designed it at all. That is a symptom of our individualistic society where every person and every church or organisation is expected to stand on their own two feet and do a bit of everything. Instead of realising that while you or a church may not ever win one soul to Christ in your whole life, you can certainly do what God wants you to do well, and be faithful in that. God never asked Peter to do Paul's job and never asked Paul to do Mary's job etc. So don't expect a "Mary church", to be out evangelising the world like a "Paul church". Mary can knit the sweaters, Paul can convert the heathen. What's the problem? Just be careful of calling any church apostate, which is quite a strong word, just because it doesn't live up to your expectations.
 
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