COME AND LET US REASON TOGETHER.

[Israel]

I write to all who might read this, to meditate on the things written without a heardened heart. That they may truly appreciate the salvation that is in Christ.

Why do we only talk death? Why do we condemn and devour God's church? Why do we STILL judge according to flesh?

Jesus said that God is NOT the God of the dead, BUT OF THE LIVING. Abraham was dead quite a while when Jesus made this statement. From that, we can see that word, dead cannot mean the same as is the word used forAbraham. So as God is only that of the LIVING, that means the dead has no life in them.



Now, if Abraham was indeed living AT THE TIME JESUS SPOKE THESE WORDS, then People such as Nimrod was dead, HAVING NO LIFE IN HIM.

Jesus, HOWEVER, was NOT counted among the living. Was He not counted among DEAD? You may say or post that Jesus was God and cannot die? But in a stone heart, does not that person really say within himself, that there IS NO RESURRECTION? Why would Abraham have to rise from the dead if he were already living? Jesus suffered without the gate! He was Nimrod dead for three days and three nights.

In His death, He is now Lord of both the living and the dead. As such now ALL belong to Him. Why then believe that some one or someTHING can pluck them from His hand? We are all saved by the death and resurrection of Christ.

We don't believe it because there is no profit in it. People might read this and only see money, but that is not what it means. It's totally free. The man who tried his best all of his days to serve the TRUE God is saved as well as the man who killed and robbed all of his life and never loved God.

I know that there might be posts, if any at all, that contain verses in an attempt to prove me wrong but I will attempt to answer for once, not with verses or words veiled by the flesh; but plainly by the faith which was measured onto me.

I truly look forward to any replies. God bless you all.

 

[zone]

hi Israel
you believe in universalism, correct?

 

[Israel]

hi Israel
you believe in universalism, correct?

I do not know what unversalism is to be frank zone. I've just come to the basic conclussion from my studies that all are saved.

 

[zone]

I do not know what unversalism is to be frank zone. I've just come to the basic conclussion from my studies that all are saved.

that's universalism.

 

[Israel]

Hebrews 11:1

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Romans 8:24-25

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. For we are saved by hope. BUT WHAT A MAN CAN SEE, is NOT hope at ALL. Please, really meditate on this. Did not Jesus say that the flesh profits NOTHING! We read our Bibles and eat of it. A man may read it and put his faith on hope in how the message was delivered to him and another will read the same Bible; and base his belief in something in total contrast to the other. Yet he only did what the first man did. Did he not place his faith on how the message was delivered to him?

But of BOTH MEN, they only ATE what they SAW. It was good for food, pleasant to the eyes, and could make one wise! Please harden not your hear and truly understand. One man out of book believes that we can eat any thing. The other believes that unclean meat is an abomination. They both can SEE it in the Bible. Both with plenty of verses to prove there point. No man WINS because in the end, that DESIRE to be wise by eating of the fruit he thought was good for food AND pleasant to the eyes both places their hope in.

One man SEES that God has made all meat clean to eat. Therefore, he eats all the pork he wants. HOW IS IT THEN HOPE? The other SEES that we must follow the levitical laws and not eat any unclean meat. What he deemed as good, became obediant to that commandment. BUT AGAIN, IF HE SEES IT, HOW IS IT THEN HOPE?


The truth of the Gospel is that all men are saved. No religion can profit with this type of fruit because to the world, it's worthless! Now think about this. If I preach that ALL MEN are saved, Truthfully what harm could this do? If a man truly believes in my message and uses it as a tool to murder more people, if he burns in the lake of fire, then he deserves his fate. You may even call it a false doctrine I try to spread. But REMEMBER my loved ones IS THAT WHAT A MAN SEES IS NOT HOPE AT ALL! My faith is in the fruit that I CANNOT see. It is my earnest hope, and with patience I do wait for it.

 

[AnandaHya]

i'm not going to enter the debate. just give you the bible verse reading your title placed in my heart, it makes me laugh that it has nothing to do with your post but I'll share anyways. forgive my vanity.

Isaiah 1:18
“ Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the LORD, “ Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool.

May we live our lives as a living sacrifice to God

All of Creation sing God praise

YouTube - All Of Creation - Mercyme

 

[AnandaHya]

Hebrews 11:1

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Romans 8:24-25

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. For we are saved by hope. BUT WHAT A MAN CAN SEE, is NOT hope at ALL. Please, really meditate on this. Did not Jesus say that the flesh profits NOTHING! We read our Bibles and eat of it. A man may read it and put his faith on hope in how the message was delivered to him and another will read the same Bible; and base his belief in something in total contrast to the other. Yet he only did what the first man did. Did he not place his faith on how the message was delivered to him?

But of BOTH MEN, they only ATE what they SAW. It was good for food, pleasant to the eyes, and could make one wise! Please harden not your hear and truly understand. One man out of book believes that we can eat any thing. The other believes that unclean meat is an abomination. They both can SEE it in the Bible. Both with plenty of verses to prove there point. No man WINS because in the end, that DESIRE to be wise by eating of the fruit he thought was good for food AND pleasant to the eyes both places their hope in.

One man SEES that God has made all meat clean to eat. Therefore, he eats all the pork he wants. HOW IS IT THEN HOPE? The other SEES that we must follow the levitical laws and not eat any unclean meat. What he deemed as good, became obediant to that commandment. BUT AGAIN, IF HE SEES IT, HOW IS IT THEN HOPE?


The truth of the Gospel is that all men are saved. No religion can profit with this type of fruit because to the world, it's worthless! Now think about this. If I preach that ALL MEN are saved, Truthfully what harm could this do? If a man truly believes in my message and uses it as a tool to murder more people, if he burns in the lake of fire, then he deserves his fate. You may even call it a false doctrine I try to spread. But REMEMBER my loved ones IS THAT WHAT A MAN SEES IS NOT HOPE AT ALL! My faith is in the fruit that I CANNOT see. It is my earnest hope, and with patience I do wait for it.

you faith is not in the fruit you can not see, but should be placed in the Heavenly father whose face can not be seen and the person live afterwards. Faith is a FRUIT that shows the evidence that salvation is inside of your heart. everything else sounds right on or I'm still waiting for answers from God concerning so I won't speak on them. Keep at it. Praise God's holy name.

 

[Israel]

you faith is not in the fruit you can not see, but should be placed in the Heavenly father whose face can not be seen and the person live afterwards. Faith is a FRUIT that shows the evidence that salvation is inside of your heart. everything else sounds right on or I'm still waiting for answers from God concerning so I won't speak on them. Keep at it. Praise God's holy name.

Now friend, think about what came out of your lips. How can we see the real fruit of our Heavenly Father IF HIS FACE CANNOT BE SEEN? Faith is not the fruit but the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. If you believe that you can eat pork, your faith is then demonstrated by you eating pork in good conscience. I may believe that eating pork can send you to the lake of fire. You post verses, I post verses, both of us trying to get the other to eat of the fruit that we thought was good for food. We both would then be placing our hopes on something we can see. You believed that you can eat pork. Your faith being stronger is shown by you eating it. Why not simply take a lost to me, having the weaker faith believing that bologna can send me to the lake of fire? And for me. How harmful is it if I believed that I couldn't eat any unclean meat? Did I not show my faith as you have yours BY EATING PORK?

All things, good and bad, work for the good of God. We all must work until the ground is tilled.

 

[WeStand]

I do not know what unversalism is to be frank zone. I've just come to the basic conclussion from my studies that all are saved.

Hi Israel; from my studies, you are correct but; There are 2 deaths and 2 resserections. I beleive that every caring spirit, no matter how messed up they may be now in the flesh, will be saved at the end of The Lords Day.

However there are firstfruits of Christ that will gain their rightful place at the beginning of The Lords Day, I think thats what were all striving for.

As far as a murderer making it; i cannot judge, But, if you consider the persecution that Paul endured after his enlightenment; well i don't think its all that easy.

I beleive that when it states in the Bible that He will write his laws in our minds; that his children by nature DO NOT murder and rape people, but there are those that do and i can assure you he considers them as bastards.

They would have to be mighty Sincere in their repentance (like Paul) and be very willing to die for Christ.

Forever in Christ

 

[Israel]

Hi Israel; from my studies, you are correct but; There are 2 deaths and 2 resserections. I beleive that every caring spirit, no matter how messed up they may be now in the flesh, will be saved at the end of The Lords Day.

However there are firstfruits of Christ that will gain their rightful place at the beginning of The Lords Day, I think thats what were all striving for.

As far as a murderer making it; i cannot judge, But, if you consider the persecution that Paul endured after his enlightenment; well i don't think its all that easy.

I beleive that when it states in the Bible that He will write his laws in our minds; that his children by nature DO NOT murder and rape people, but there are those that do and i can assure you he considers them as bastards.

They would have to be mighty Sincere in their repentance (like Paul) and be very willing to die for Christ.

Forever in Christ

A common sense question for you to ponder on friend. If the Bible says that it is appointed of men to die but once, why then believe he would die a second death?

 

[Israel]

Again, there is NO PROFIT in this message. This is my Hope and with patience, I DO WAIT FOR IT!

 

[AnandaHya]

Now friend, think about what came out of your lips. How can we see the real fruit of our Heavenly Father IF HIS FACE CANNOT BE SEEN? Faith is not the fruit but the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. If you believe that you can eat pork, your faith is then demonstrated by you eating pork in good conscience. I may believe that eating pork can send you to the lake of fire. You post verses, I post verses, both of us trying to get the other to eat of the fruit that we thought was good for food. We both would then be placing our hopes on something we can see. You believed that you can eat pork. Your faith being stronger is shown by you eating it. Why not simply take a lost to me, having the weaker faith believing that bologna can send me to the lake of fire? And for me. How harmful is it if I believed that I couldn't eat any unclean meat? Did I not show my faith as you have yours BY EATING PORK?

All things, good and bad, work for the good of God. We all must work until the ground is tilled.

if you want to talk about substance hoped for I think it refers to Heaven and that fact that Jesus came and redeemed us of our sins. Faith should be placed in that. you do not place faith in faith itself for that is an action YOU perform. You place faith in GOD and His grace and mercy and say "Lord come save me, for I have sinned" It is not what we do, but what is done for us.

By demonstrating your faith and the fact that the Holy spirit resides in you, you show love and the fruits thereof. So faith is both: and internal thing between you and God and an external thing that you display to the world for the Glory of God.

We are to walk in love and remove stumbling blocks, not place more in our brethren's paths.

 

[Israel]

if you want to talk about substance hoped for I think it refers to Heaven and that fact that Jesus came and redeemed us of our sins.

Now please reason with me. If you are made in the image of God, then as the lord of your temple (your body) what is YOUR HEAVEN? A small example of this is that your heaven may have some who will perish, NOT YOU THOUGH!! Because what you considered good in the world saved YOU, and what YOU considered bad CONDEMNED THEM. My heaven is that I am saved not by what I considered GOOD OR BAD, but faith in THAT WHICH SPOKE IT WHO'S FACE CANNOT BE SEEN. You, made in HIS image (THE FATHER); you know, the one THAT INNER SELF goes into the CLOSET OF HIS MIND in secret and prays to or meditates on. I have hope in that if what a man considers GOOD dies just as another who eats of what the former considered BAD, then Salvation cannot be possible by the food given. SALVATION IS ONLY IN THE FOOD'S PROVIDER!! You being in HIS image or the face that cannot be seen when your inner man goes in the recesses of his mind and pray to. It is HIM that gave you EVERYTHING YOU. YOU AND ME. It is the face that cannot be seen in each of us that has given or not given of the bread we ask for. For it is by HIM who's face cannot be seen that we all are simply what we are.

Faith should be placed in that. you do not place faith in faith itself for that is an action YOU perform. You place faith in GOD and His grace and mercy and say "Lord come save me, for I have sinned" It is not what we do, but what is done for us.

By demonstrating your faith and the fact that the Holy spirit resides in you, you show love and the fruits thereof. So faith is both: and internal thing between you and God and an external thing that you display to the world for the Glory of God.

Again you being in the image of God, If you are really true to that inner man and his wants, then the face of that which is not seen in the closet of your mind will reward you openly for it. You now are walking by faith, not in whatever fruit you took to eat of, but in that which only gave you what you asked for.

We are to walk in love and remove stumbling blocks, not place more in our brethren's paths.

Exactly! What YOU considered good might not be what another considers good. A man can be a church going, Bible carrying confessor of Christ. But when he's at home, he likes to watch porn and masturbate. I want to be a litlle graphic here to make a point. The people in his church looks upon masturbation as a sin, BUT HIS INNER MAN deemed that fruit good to him! Someone finds out in the church and shows him a verse or too that says he shouldn't do it. But he knows the verses as well because he reads the same bible they do. He sees the tree in the words written on the page but he chose NOT to eat of that tree, REGARDLESS of the consequences as the face of the one who cannot be seen only gave him what he asked for. Should the church make him stop?

 

[WeStand]

A common sense question for you to ponder on friend. If the Bible says that it is appointed of men to die but once, why then believe he would die a second death?

Hi Israel; what you say is true, but from my studies this would be referring to flesh. It was Our Fathers will that we all be born of woman (flesh). Not all obeyed Our Fathers suggestion. I'm sure your studied enough to know this.

Everyone will die; but what makes us so fortunate, being the generation of the children of Gods Grace, is that there is the moment when the silver cord (spiritual birth) will be broken, and in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye; (thats pretty quick) ALL flesh shall cease to exsist. This is the first death.

Then theres the Lords Day, last chance to redeem yourself , and every caring spirit will, as God states He will Not be a widow; but that day scares me to death, as all this spiritual pain, sorrow, and embarrasment will be amplified spiritually on those that didn't make the first cut. Truly my Christian spirit sorrows for them already.

Then after God releases satan for a short season at the end of the Lords Day, to test them, just as we will all be tested when anti-christ appears.

After the testing at the end of the Lords Day; comes The Great White Throne Judgement, The Lake of Fire, when not only is ones spiritual body, but their spiritual conciousness as well, will cease to exsist forever. (this is the 2nd death)

BUT: Our Father promises that this sorrow, that we will ALL go through together, will last but a moment, and then promises that He will blot it from our memories, like it never took place.

My favourite nickname for Our Father lately has been; THE FATR ONE .

Forever in Christ

 

[AnandaHya]

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Now please reason with me. If you are made in the image of God, then as the lord of your temple (your body) what is YOUR HEAVEN? A small example of this is that your heaven may have some who will perish, NOT YOU THOUGH!! Because what you considered good in the world saved YOU, and what YOU considered bad CONDEMNED THEM.[/B


i do not condemn or judge anyone, i leave that to God. I just point out some mistakes and sins that might be fixed. If you see someone who has a fatal wound (for example they are missing a hand and its bleeding all over the place) and you say "man, you should see a doctor" and the guy say "its but a flesh wound" and refuses to admit the severity of the injury and dies for it, well what can I say, you get the idea. Sin is a fatal wound to the soul, sometimes we just try and point it out its up to the person to get treatment: confession, repentance, forgiveness and healing through the grace of God.

 

[Israel]

i do not condemn or judge anyone, i leave that to God. I just point out some mistakes and sins that might be fixed. If you see someone who has a fatal wound (for example they are missing a hand and its bleeding all over the place) and you say "man, you should see a doctor" and the guy say "its but a flesh wound" and refuses to admit the severity of the injury and dies for it, well what can I say, you get the idea. Sin is a fatal wound to the soul, sometimes we just try and point it out its up to the person to get treatment: confession, repentance, forgiveness and healing through the grace of God.

Yes, but who are we to deem what may be a sin to another. I need you to understand what I'm saying to you. One man loved to eat pork but then he starts to read the bible,he reads in it where it states that unclean meat is an abomination to God. He SEES the commandment by the words on the page, yet in spite of making him wiser, HE CHOSE NOT TO eat. In doing so he has chosen not to break faith with his spirit, who before the commandment came, was happy he was alive! But the words say to eat is to die. Sin is imputed on him because he was faithful to his wife, placing faith above the wisdom he SAW.

Another man loves to eat pork even more than the first. He reads the same bible and comes across the same commandment not eat unclean meat. His soul really loved that pig! He SEES the commandment and by it he stops! He has now broken faith with his spirit. He eats this strange fruit to him as he truly did love ham sanwiches but where sin was imputed on the former, the latter has indeed SINNED. He has fornicated with a strange spirit and now struggles within himself; denying his first love he begins to build an IMAGE of a god from without, never truly understanding that he IS the temple.

One man deemed pork good, while the other deemed it bad.

 

[pickles]

Israel, you have seen me post here for along time, and know that I have always spoken to the love and forgivness in Jesus.
You have always understood and been patient with my struggles with recalling scripture as well.
I have been reading these post about how there is no hell or lake of fire, that all are saved.
I do not argue that all that ask Jesus into their heart, and then live in obedience to Him will live in Him as well.
But the argument that none shall perish, say that none will go to the lake of fire is the concern.
I may not be able to recall the scriptures about hell, but we all are warned that we choose life or death, fire or water, eternal life, or the lake of fire.
If this was not true, then why would scripture speak of it, why say anything at all about it?
Jesus spoke to the harvest, good grain, the weeds, waiste, being burned.
I never was big on the hell part of faith, but Jesus has set this to be warned about.
One must consider, the question we need to ask, is why is this being so dissmissed ?
Somehow a kingdom divided comes to mind.
One does not think we would be warned of something in scripture, if it was not a real concern.
I only know that there are teachings rejecting hell, with a few more twists.
I do not see truth in these teachings, instead, I see a wolf in sheeps clothing.
What better way to fool many, than to eliminate the fearing truth?
I continue to pray about this, as I know that I cannot rest in my own understanding.
But the moment I saw these teachings, I knew they were not truth!
By the way, before you give an answer, read up on the universalism beliefs, I know you do not belong to these beliefs, but do check it out.

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

 

[Israel]

Israel, you have seen me post here for along time, and know that I have always spoken to the love and forgivness in Jesus.
You have always understood and been patient with my struggles with recalling scripture as well.
I have been reading these post about how there is no hell or lake of fire, that all are saved.
I do not argue that all that ask Jesus into their heart, and then live in obedience to Him will live in Him as well.
But the argument that none shall perish, say that none will go to the lake of fire is the concern.
I may not be able to recall the scriptures about hell, but we all are warned that we choose life or death, fire or water, eternal life, or the lake of fire.
If this was not true, then why would scripture speak of it, why say anything at all about it?
Jesus spoke to the harvest, good grain, the weeds, waiste, being burned.
I never was big on the hell part of faith, but Jesus has set this to be warned about.
One must consider, the question we need to ask, is why is this being so dissmissed ?
Somehow a kingdom divided comes to mind.
One does not think we would be warned of something in scripture, if it was not a real concern.
I only know that there are teachings rejecting hell, with a few more twists.
I do not see truth in these teachings, instead, I see a wolf in sheeps clothing.
What better way to fool many, than to eliminate the fearing truth?
I continue to pray about this, as I know that I cannot rest in my own understanding.
But the moment I saw these teachings, I knew they were not truth!
By the way, before you give an answer, read up on the universalism beliefs, I know you do not belong to these beliefs, but do check it out.

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

Pickles, I do not know the beliefs of universalism. And as of now, I will not attempt to look it up at all. Every thing I posted on this thread came from within me.

Now reason with me. What harm could I possibly do in ministering a message I fully believe in with all of my heart. If a murderer were to believe in my message with all of his heart and then kills again, he then deserves his fate. But the bible says who can believe such a report? This murderer is POOR in lack of faith. I tell him he's saved regardless and God loves him. He will listen, but say in his heart; " I can't afford salvation! I KNOW I HAVE DONE EVIL. The RICH are those who do the good things out of the law. However they view the law to be, even if they say we are in Christ, the hope is place on the good of a law THAT THEY CAN SEE. A man who obeys God's holy days, honour the levitical laws, and takes the Saturday Sabbath seriously has gained many possesions through the law. But if were to preach to him that salvaton is offered to all, for him to BELIEVE THAT he would have to give up what he thought would save him. He believes going to worship on Saturday and not eating unclean meat and celebrating pagan holidays will save him. He will not believe because he would have to give all that up. This message is WORTHLESS TO HIM.

Pickles, beloved of God. You are one of the most sincere people I've come across since I've joined CC. You are in the image of God. So how do YOU view heaven? I can SEE the lake of fire from the scriptures BUT I CHOOSE NOT TO EAT OF IT. My heaven has death swallowed in victory for all.

Please count it all for a loss to win Christ.

 

[AnandaHya]

Yes, but who are we to deem what may be a sin to another. I need you to understand what I'm saying to you. One man loved to eat pork but then he starts to read the bible,he reads in it where it states that unclean meat is an abomination to God. He SEES the commandment by the words on the page, yet in spite of making him wiser, HE CHOSE NOT TO eat. In doing so he has chosen not to break faith with his spirit, who before the commandment came, was happy he was alive! But the words say to eat is to die. Sin is imputed on him because he was faithful to his wife, placing faith above the wisdom he SAW.

Another man loves to eat pork even more than the first. He reads the same bible and comes across the same commandment not eat unclean meat. His soul really loved that pig! He SEES the commandment and by it he stops! He has now broken faith with his spirit. He eats this strange fruit to him as he truly did love ham sanwiches but where sin was imputed on the former, the latter has indeed SINNED. He has fornicated with a strange spirit and now struggles within himself; denying his first love he begins to build an IMAGE of a god from without, never truly understanding that he IS the temple.

One man deemed pork good, while the other deemed it bad.

you misunderstand the Apostle Paul, He says eating meat is not bad. IT is WORSHIPING the demonic forces that the meat is offered to on the altar of the idol. At that point all meat was offered to idols. so the question is do we have to give up meat. Paul did not want it to be a stumbling block. HE ate meat but gave it up out of love so other would not sin by thinking he approved of IDOL WORSHIP. the issue is not meat but worship of idols.

Those strong in faith should not make the weak stumble. Paul had faith that God would protect him when eating the meat but gave it up- so that those weak and believing the lies of demons who were tormenting them, so they would not stumble. that is walking in LOVE. we are to walk in the Holy Spirit, which is Love. BUt we are still to reprimand and condemn things that GOD condemns.

Hebrews 12 v. 1
"Let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensares us and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us... My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord. Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by him; for whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives..IF you endure chastening God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten. But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons... Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful. nevertheless. afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it"

He goes on to say its not pleasant but necessary.

Roman 13v.1 "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God and the authorities that exist are appointed by God" (except when God decides to change the order of the world for HIS purpose)

Romans 13 v. 11-12

"And do this knowing the time that now it is high time to AWAKE out of sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness and let us put on the armor of LIGHT."

I refuse to listen to demons and remain silent when I witness sin I will warn others of their transgression, not through my own power or authority but through the power of the Holy Spirit that resides within me.
YouTube - Josh Wilson - I Refuse (Slideshow With Lyrics)

 

[AnandaHya]

Pickles, I do not know the beliefs of universalism. And as of now, I will not attempt to look it up at all. Every thing I posted on this thread came from within me.

Now reason with me. What harm could I possibly do in ministering a message I fully believe in with all of my heart. If a murderer were to believe in my message with all of his heart and then kills again, he then deserves his fate. But the bible says who can believe such a report? This murderer is POOR in lack of faith. I tell him he's saved regardless and God loves him. He will listen, but say in his heart; " I can't afford salvation! I KNOW I HAVE DONE EVIL. The RICH are those who do the good things out of the law. However they view the law to be, even if they say we are in Christ, the hope is place on the good of a law THAT THEY CAN SEE. A man who obeys God's holy days, honour the levitical laws, and takes the Saturday Sabbath seriously has gained many possesions through the law. But if were to preach to him that salvaton is offered to all, for him to BELIEVE THAT he would have to give up what he thought would save him. He believes going to worship on Saturday and not eating unclean meat and celebrating pagan holidays will save him. He will not believe because he would have to give all that up. This message is WORTHLESS TO HIM.

Pickles, beloved of God. You are one of the most sincere people I've come across since I've joined CC. You are in the image of God. So how do YOU view heaven? I can SEE the lake of fire from the scriptures BUT I CHOOSE NOT TO EAT OF IT. My heaven has death swallowed in victory for all.

Please count it all for a loss to win Christ.

if there is no Hell then why did Jesus die for us? you teach but half the truth and that is still a lie. some teach the law, some teach the love. but both is necessary for salvation.

YouTube - Awesome God - Rich Mullins w/ Lyrics


I will pray that you find understanding and grace.