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Israel

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Am I wrong for knowing that all men are saved? Am I wrong for seeing a heaven where ALL are in victory over death? Test this spirit and see if it is of God. I establish His law out of love and not out of fear of death. In this message, His yoke is truly easy, and His burden is light.
 
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VRJ

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If everyone is going to be saved then Jesus shouldn't have been so upset with the religious leaders of his day ...since he was going to see them later in his kingdom....yet, he called them vipers...Matt. 23....

........and he also said...in Matthew 7:22,23; "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

So......now they come to the pearly gates of heaven and Jesus is there to meet them and says..."I never knew you." (They seem to know about him)

Death is the first..........we all face that.......... Notice these two..(Death and Hell).have proper names since they are capilized.

Revelation 6:8; "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

Revelation 20:14; "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
 

phil36

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#43
Am I wrong for knowing that all men are saved? Am I wrong for seeing a heaven where ALL are in victory over death? Test this spirit and see if it is of God. I establish His law out of love and not out of fear of death. In this message, His yoke is truly easy, and His burden is light.

Yes your wrong!
 
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Ramon

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I write to all who might read this, to meditate on the things written without a heardened heart. That they may truly appreciate the salvation that is in Christ.

Why do we only talk death? Why do we condemn and devour God's church? Why do we STILL judge according to flesh?

Jesus said that God is NOT the God of the dead, BUT OF THE LIVING. Abraham was dead quite a while when Jesus made this statement. From that, we can see that word, dead cannot mean the same as is the word used forAbraham. So as God is only that of the LIVING, that means the dead has no life in them.



Now, if Abraham was indeed living AT THE TIME JESUS SPOKE THESE WORDS, then People such as Nimrod was dead, HAVING NO LIFE IN HIM.

Jesus, HOWEVER, was NOT counted among the living. Was He not counted among DEAD? You may say or post that Jesus was God and cannot die? But in a stone heart, does not that person really say within himself, that there IS NO RESURRECTION? Why would Abraham have to rise from the dead if he were already living? Jesus suffered without the gate! He was Nimrod dead for three days and three nights.

In His death, He is now Lord of both the living and the dead. As such now ALL belong to Him. Why then believe that some one or someTHING can pluck them from His hand? We are all saved by the death and resurrection of Christ.

We don't believe it because there is no profit in it. People might read this and only see money, but that is not what it means. It's totally free. The man who tried his best all of his days to serve the TRUE God is saved as well as the man who killed and robbed all of his life and never loved God.

I know that there might be posts, if any at all, that contain verses in an attempt to prove me wrong but I will attempt to answer for once, not with verses or words veiled by the flesh; but plainly by the faith which was measured onto me.

I truly look forward to any replies. God bless you all.
First, a question:
Do you believe sinners go to hell?

I am glad you have faith in this. I am very glad you have hope that all will be saved, but couldn't this also be a deception? And I tell you my friend, it is a very grave deception in the present case of The Church. But your view is not contemptible because I see where your hope is fixed, but no one will be saved by our faith. So here are the two things:

Some people say ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED as an excuse to sin. But some people, seeing the future of their hope say ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. So what separates these two is the condition of the heart. That is why words hardly mean a thing, and can be offensive if they are heard by EVIL HEARTS!! The words are given to those who receive them in the hearing of faith. And that is how we began in the faith also.

And we know the testimony of Jesus that the parables all testify of. That as long as the Word goes forth it finds its way into many types of grounds. And so when the word goes out people receive it differently, some unto life, some unto death. That is why I cannot judge your faith, because I don't know your heart. But I do know that what is in the heart comes out of a person's mouth. So when a person is offended, he will speak out of the abundance of the heart. So then this is a sign to the believers the condition of that man's heart, NOT THE CONDITION OF HIS SALVATION!

However, when judgement is set, which it will be, anyone who died in unrighteousness will NOT inherit the kingdom, and anyone who died in Righteousness will, which is not self-righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith!! Well, may Jesus bless you my friend.
 
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Israel

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#45
If everyone is going to be saved then Jesus shouldn't have been so upset with the religious leaders of his day ...since he was going to see them later in his kingdom....yet, he called them vipers...Matt. 23....

........and he also said...in Matthew 7:22,23; "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

So......now they come to the pearly gates of heaven and Jesus is there to meet them and says..."I never knew you." (They seem to know about him)

Death is the first..........we all face that.......... Notice these two..(Death and Hell).have proper names since they are capilized.

Revelation 6:8; "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

Revelation 20:14; "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."


Friend, everyone has a role or a work to do. Plus notice that death and hell is cast in the fire BEFORE those that were not found in the book of life were cast in. So how can whatever or whoever they may be die if death was done away with before it? Can you imagine someone you may know that YOU thought through your understanding of the scriptures facing this fire because in your mind he didn't measure up? We no longer have a spirit but of power! Again I say, in believing with ALL my heart that all men are saved and STILL love my neighbor as my self, all of the law is established.
 
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Israel

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#46

Obviously I can make what I say stand by scripture, but please do not hide behind the bible. Have you tested my spirit to see if it is of God? Will you judge evil, a message that has no evil in it?
 

phil36

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#47
Obviously I can make what I say stand by scripture, but please do not hide behind the bible. Have you tested my spirit to see if it is of God? Will you judge evil, a message that has no evil in it?

Hi Israel,

You asked a quetsion, and, I answered it.. thats all!
 
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VRJ

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Israel,
You will have to figure out that if all men are saved then Jude shouldn't of been so concerned about ...vs.23......."And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."
 

pickles

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Isreal, in Jesus, yes all are saved.
But there will be those that refuse this salvation given in Jesus.
I found a better understanding of this in sirach 15: chapters 11 through 20.
I hope these words will help.

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles