Concerning Time and a Few Thougts

[dcontroversal]

The Bible states the following....

a. God is light and dwells in light. <---The "be" verb shows state of being.....God is a being of light, that is spiritual, astral, ethereal, celestial that also dwells in light <---the words used are also descriptive of our resurrected bodies that will also dwell in light.

b. God is eternal and described as the "lofty one that inhabits eternity".....God, being a being of light that dwells in light, dwells in a permanent state of eternity...because it is proven the faster you go time slows and then stops when you hit the speed of light=a state of being eternal or a permanent state of eternity.


c. God can manipulate time at will like the hands on a clock...he can move it forward, backward, stop it, slow it and move between his ETERNAL realm of Light into and out of the Physical realm of time. At the end of the day, our atoms and molecules are vibrating at a much slower speed than God...hence our physical, temporal state of being as opposed to the realm of God which is LIGHT and Eternal...<---the two accounts of Hezekiah and Joshua proves the ability of God to manipulate time.


d. 1000 years with God is listed in three ways....a) As but yesterday b) A watch in the night (three hours) c) As a day

Without a doubt these are used to show that God is not subject unto time or is he.......?

God is a God of timing, and when Jesus walked the earth as a man, and on numerous occasions when they attempted to seize him but could not because it was not yet time. Even the will and plan of the Heavenly Father is based upon time. At the sounding of the 7th trump, it states clearly that TIME SHALL BE NO MORE.

Even the verses which speak to the beast being revealed IN HIS TIME somewhat speaks to this element of timing....

What do you all think about Peter's use of HASTENING the coming of the day of GOD..........?

Is God constrained by his unchanging nature and character as applied unto time and the plan to work out man's redemption?

Anyway, just some points to ponder about time, eternity, God and the word HASTENING........

 

[Grace777x70]

The fact that the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world is enough to circumvent my brain.

I like the light and the verb "to be" that you mentioned. God is definitely outside of time and yet works within it to.

It's about "time" we figure this all out....

 

[dcontroversal]

The fact that the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world is enough to circumvent my brain.

I like the light and the verb "to be" that you mentioned. God is definitely outside of time and yet works within it to.

It's about "time" we figure this all out....

Yeah no doubt and really sparks my interest. God dwelling in light and being light really sheds LIGHT on some following truths...

a. The face of Moses shining after encountering God's back side...
b. The angel coming down from heaven lighting the earth in Revelation...
c. The face of Jesus shining like the sun and eyes as flames of fire....

etc.....Some very deep thoughts and truths that get overlooked by most who barely scratch the surface when it comes to study!

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is another mind-blowing thought about time. Gods good works were finished before the foundation of the world and we are to enter into His rest - cease from our own self-effort.

Hebrews 4:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The works were finished before time began, but we must believe in the works of God in Christ and enter it by faith. God's works are an accomplished fact, but God has revealed them to us so that we can enter by faith and walk in them. Or we can trust our own works and try to do "good works" in our own strength.

Here is one of my thoughts about "time" in relation to walking with the Lord and growing up in Him.

Each day as I rely on the Lord's life within me - God enters time at the point where I am, invites me to trust Him, and calls me to participate with Him into His works so that I can receive the reward of what He has done simply because I trusted Him enough to walk with Him.

The goodness and grace of God just overwhelms my mind.

I love how the Lord gives us grace and the "time" needed to walk out these things in our lives without condemnation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Here is another mind-blowing thought about time. Gods good works were finished before the foundation of the world and we are to enter into His rest - cease from our own self-effort.

Hebrews 4:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The works were finished before time began, but we must believe in the works of God in Christ and enter it by faith. God's works are an accomplished fact, but God has revealed them to us so that we can enter by faith and walk in them. Or we can trust our own works and try to do "good works" in our own strength.

Here is one of my thoughts about "time" in relation to walking with the Lord and growing up in Him.

Each day as I rely on the Lord's life within me - God enters time at the point where I am, invites me to trust Him, and calls me to participate with Him into His works so that I can receive the reward of what He has done simply because I trusted Him enough to walk with Him.

The goodness and grace of God just overwhelms my mind.

I love how the Lord gives us grace and the "time" needed to walk out these things in our lives without condemnation.

Yes indeed.....very deep truths that escapes many....

 

[Persuaded]

The Bible states the following....

a. God is light and dwells in light. <---The "be" verb shows state of being.....God is a being of light, that is spiritual, astral, ethereal, celestial that also dwells in light <---the words used are also descriptive of our resurrected bodies that will also dwell in light.

b. God is eternal and described as the "lofty one that inhabits eternity".....God, being a being of light that dwells in light, dwells in a permanent state of eternity...because it is proven the faster you go time slows and then stops when you hit the speed of light=a state of being eternal or a permanent state of eternity.


c. God can manipulate time at will like the hands on a clock...he can move it forward, backward, stop it, slow it and move between his ETERNAL realm of Light into and out of the Physical realm of time. At the end of the day, our atoms and molecules are vibrating at a much slower speed than God...hence our physical, temporal state of being as opposed to the realm of God which is LIGHT and Eternal...<---the two accounts of Hezekiah and Joshua proves the ability of God to manipulate time.


d. 1000 years with God is listed in three ways....a) As but yesterday b) A watch in the night (three hours) c) As a day

Without a doubt these are used to show that God is not subject unto time or is he.......?

God is a God of timing, and when Jesus walked the earth as a man, and on numerous occasions when they attempted to seize him but could not because it was not yet time. Even the will and plan of the Heavenly Father is based upon time. At the sounding of the 7th trump, it states clearly that TIME SHALL BE NO MORE.

Even the verses which speak to the beast being revealed IN HIS TIME somewhat speaks to this element of timing....

What do you all think about Peter's use of HASTENING the coming of the day of GOD..........?

Is God constrained by his unchanging nature and character as applied unto time and the plan to work out man's redemption?

Anyway, just some points to ponder about time, eternity, God and the word HASTENING........

Thats pretty deep for this country boy!
I will have to do some study on what you have said.
Thanks for the post.

As for as time, I think I have wasted a lot of time on this forum that could have been better spent in prayer and study.
It seems to be more foolishness, false teaching, and a lack of understanding here than truth.
In light of that fact I think I will move on to more productive use of my time.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thats pretty deep for this country boy!
I will have to do some study on what you have said.
Thanks for the post.

As for as time, I think I have wasted a lot of time on this forum that could have been better spent in prayer and study.
It seems to be more foolishness, false teaching, and a lack of understanding here than truth.
In light of that fact I think I will move on to more productive use of my time.

Iron sharpeneth iron bro..it is not all wasted time and even one nugget of truth gleaned is worth the time.....or maybe being able to open one's eyes even once to truth is worth it......just sayin....!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I have thought a lot about that vs you me tion - hastening His coming. But I never looked up the word. Going g to do that now! I'll be back if I see anything noteworthy. ☺

 

[dcontroversal]

I have thought a lot about that vs you me tion - hastening His coming. But I never looked up the word. Going g to do that now! I'll be back if I see anything noteworthy. ☺

Excellent......look forward to your input.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Hastening.....from the Greek word "pseudo" to speed, urge on (diligently or earnestly), to await eagerly......hah!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So I looked it up. I had always kind of thought it was akin to in the OT where the outcry. Became so great that God came. But it appears (not that I did an intense study, just a quick one) to mean to earnestly desire. I believe the word is only used once in the NT. So...I don't have to feel I am selfish any more for this desire! ☺

 

[maxwel]

The Bible states the following....

a. God is light and dwells in light. <---The "be" verb shows state of being.....God is a being of light, that is spiritual, astral, ethereal, celestial that also dwells in light <---the words used are also descriptive of our resurrected bodies that will also dwell in light.

b. God is eternal and described as the "lofty one that inhabits eternity".....God, being a being of light that dwells in light, dwells in a permanent state of eternity...because it is proven the faster you go time slows and then stops when you hit the speed of light=a state of being eternal or a permanent state of eternity.


c. God can manipulate time at will like the hands on a clock...he can move it forward, backward, stop it, slow it and move between his ETERNAL realm of Light into and out of the Physical realm of time. At the end of the day, our atoms and molecules are vibrating at a much slower speed than God...hence our physical, temporal state of being as opposed to the realm of God which is LIGHT and Eternal...<---the two accounts of Hezekiah and Joshua proves the ability of God to manipulate time.


d. 1000 years with God is listed in three ways....a) As but yesterday b) A watch in the night (three hours) c) As a day

Without a doubt these are used to show that God is not subject unto time or is he.......?

God is a God of timing, and when Jesus walked the earth as a man, and on numerous occasions when they attempted to seize him but could not because it was not yet time. Even the will and plan of the Heavenly Father is based upon time. At the sounding of the 7th trump, it states clearly that TIME SHALL BE NO MORE.

Even the verses which speak to the beast being revealed IN HIS TIME somewhat speaks to this element of timing....

What do you all think about Peter's use of HASTENING the coming of the day of GOD..........?

Anyway, just some points to ponder about time, eternity, God and the word HASTENING........

1. We're dealing with 2 topics which are both a little beyond our mortal comprehension.

A. We're discussing the eternal will of an INFINITE BEING... who we can never understand perfectly.

B. We're discussing how he deals with the dimension of TIME... which is a dimension we will never be able to understand perfectly

* We can have some practical understanding of both... but we certainly can't have a FULL understanding of both, or have GOD'S understanding of both.


2. Regarding the statement about "God manipulating time like the hands on a clock"... I don't think we know for a certainty WHAT God really does with time.

A. God created time: therefore he is outside of time, beyond time, and has power over time... as it's creator.

B. However, just because God MUST have power over time, that does NOT mean that WE MORTALS really have any understanding of how EXACTLY God handles time.

C. We absolutely DO NOT know that he "manipulates time like the hands on a clock"... we only know that he has POWER TO DO THAT IF HE WISHES.

D. We really have LITTLE UNDERSTANDING of HOW God moves through different dimensions, or handles different dimensions.

We know that, as the creator of time, he must have power over time... and beyond that... we really don't know how he interacts with time at all.


3. FINALLY: I don't think the verse in 2 Peter 3:12 is actually talking about HUMANS ALTERING GOD'S ETERNAL TIMETABLE... I think "hasten" here simply means to "await eagerly".

A. If God DESIRED for us to be able to alter his timetable... then that is within his control to allow that.

B. I simply don't think that is what this verse is referring to.

C. The word "hasten" here can also be used to mean "await" "eagerly desire", etc.

The King James Bible uses very beautiful English, but SOME of that English is now a bit beyond the familiarity of our common daily conversation... so some of the words are used a bit differently than we use them today.

I enjoy, and respect the King James Version very much.
The King James, along with the works of Shakespeare, are the two most beautiful, and seminal works, in the entire English language.
But we do need to rethink a few of the words... some of them were used a bit differently back then.

 

[maxwel]

In defense of the OP, TIME is a truly strange thing, and the Bible does say some truly strange things about it.

It's a topic worthy of much discussion, that's for sure.

 

[dcontroversal]

1. We're dealing with 2 topics which are both a little beyond our mortal comprehension.

A. We're discussing the eternal will of an INFINITE BEING... who we can never understand perfectly.

B. We're discussing how he deals with the dimension of TIME... which is a dimension we will never be able to understand perfectly

* We can have some practical understanding of both... but we certainly can't have a FULL understanding of both, or have GOD'S understanding of both.


2. Regarding the statement about "God manipulating time like the hands on a clock"... I don't think we know for a certainty WHAT God really does with time.

A. God created time: therefore he is outside of time, beyond time, and has power over time... as it's creator.

B. However, just because God MUST have power over time, that does NOT mean that WE MORTALS really have any understanding of how EXACTLY God handles time.

C. We absolutely DO NOT know that he "manipulates time like the hands on a clock"... we only know that he has POWER TO DO THAT IF HE WISHES.

D. We really have LITTLE UNDERSTANDING of HOW God moves through different dimensions, or handles different dimensions.

We know that, as the creator of time, he must have power over time... and beyond that... we really don't know how he interacts with time at all.


3. FINALLY: I don't think the verse in 2 Peter 3:12 is actually talking about HUMANS ALTERING GOD'S ETERNAL TIMETABLE... I think "hasten" here simply means to "await eagerly".

A. If God DESIRED for us to be able to alter his timetable... then that is within his control to allow that.

B. I simply don't think that is what this verse is referring to.

C. The word "hasten" here can also be used to mean "await" "eagerly desire", etc.

The King James Bible uses very beautiful English, but SOME of that English is now a bit beyond the familiarity of our common daily conversation... so some of the words are used a bit differently than we use them today.

I enjoy, and respect the King James Version very much.
The King James, along with the works of Shakespeare, are the two most beautiful, and seminal works, in the entire English language.
But we do need to rethink a few of the words... some of them were used a bit differently back then.

Thanks for the input....

1. Partially agree....we can understand based upon the proofs given in scripture concerning some aspects of time..

2. Disagree...What God compares a 1000 years to and what was done with Joshua and Hezekiah clearly shows and proves my point concerning God manipulating time like a hand on a clock....He moved the sun dial back 10 degrees and Held the sun stationary for almost a full day...both comparable to moving the minute hand on a clock...the 1st was moved back 40 minutes -->24 hours x 60 minutes = 1440 minutes divided by 360 degrees = 4 minutes per degree....10 degrees = 40 minutes.....and to hold the sun stationary is akin to me holding the minute hand and not allowing the clock to advance..

3. I agree

 

[maxwel]

Thanks for the input....

1. Partially agree....we can understand based upon the proofs given in scripture concerning some aspects of time..

2. Disagree...What God compares a 1000 years to and what was done with Joshua and Hezekiah clearly shows and proves my point concerning God manipulating time like a hand on a clock....He moved the sun dial back 10 degrees and Held the sun stationary for almost a full day...both comparable to moving the minute hand back 40 minutes -->24 hours x 60 minutes = 1440 minutes divided by 360 degrees = 4 minutes per degree....10 degrees = 40 minutes.....and to hold the sun stationary is akin to me holding the minute hand and not allowing the clock to advance..

3. I agree

1. I'll take a partial agreement any time, lol.


2. ERRORS OF EQUIVOCATION:
Regarding the incidents with Joshua and Hezekiah... I think we have several problems of equivocation (one being a "categorical error") ... God halted a physical thing call the sun, not a dimension which we call time.

A. EQUIVOCATION ERROR:
We "measure" time by the course of the sun, or by a sun dial, or even by a watch... but altering the MEASURING DEVICES does not mean you have altered THE THING MEASURED.
A1. If I alter my clock... that does not mean I've altered the flow of time.
A2. If I alter a sun dial... that does not mean I've altered the flow of time.
A3. If I've altered THE PATH OF THE SUN... that still does not mean I've altered the flow of time.

B. Categorical Mistake: The SUN is a PHYSICAL ENTITY that exists in time and space... TIME is a DIMENSION in which things exist.. we have an ENTIRE DIFFERENCE OF CATEGORY... they simply aren't the same.
B1. They aren't the same.
B2. They are in different categories of being.
B3. The PHYSICAL SUN simply has nothing to do with the DIMENSION of TIME


3. For future reference, here are the Biblical texts for the incidents.

Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
Jos 10:14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD heeded the voice of a man, for the LORD fought for Israel.

Isa 38:7 "This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he has promised:
Isa 38:8 Behold, I will make the shadow cast by the declining sun on the dial of Ahaz turn back ten steps." So the sun turned back on the dial the ten steps by which it had declined.

2Ki 20:8 And Hezekiah said to Isaiah, "What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up to the house of the LORD on the third day?"
2Ki 20:9 And Isaiah said, "This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he has promised: shall the shadow go forward ten steps, or go back ten steps?"
2Ki 20:10 And Hezekiah answered, "It is an easy thing for the shadow to lengthen ten steps. Rather let the shadow go back ten steps."
2Ki 20:11 And Isaiah the prophet called to the LORD, and he brought the shadow back ten steps, by which it had gone down on the steps of Ahaz.

 

[oldethennew]

Great Thread Title...

haven't read the answers yet, but will just say, we all say unusual or odd or different things
when we are very emotional...

Jesus' plans were made way before this world was created from the thoughts of His mind...
He knew and knows all - we are living proof of His breath of Life, take heed and walk in His steps...

 

[maxwel]

dcontroversal,

Disagreement or not, I think this is an interesting verse...
and the thing about time is a really fascinating bible topic.

 

[BeyondET]

The Bible states the following....

a. God is light and dwells in light. <---The "be" verb shows state of being.....God is a being of light, that is spiritual, astral, ethereal, celestial that also dwells in light <---the words used are also descriptive of our resurrected bodies that will also dwell in light.

b. God is eternal and described as the "lofty one that inhabits eternity".....God, being a being of light that dwells in light, dwells in a permanent state of eternity...because it is proven the faster you go time slows and then stops when you hit the speed of light=a state of being eternal or a permanent state of eternity.


c. God can manipulate time at will like the hands on a clock...he can move it forward, backward, stop it, slow it and move between his ETERNAL realm of Light into and out of the Physical realm of time. At the end of the day, our atoms and molecules are vibrating at a much slower speed than God...hence our physical, temporal state of being as opposed to the realm of God which is LIGHT and Eternal...<---the two accounts of Hezekiah and Joshua proves the ability of God to manipulate time.


d. 1000 years with God is listed in three ways....a) As but yesterday b) A watch in the night (three hours) c) As a day

Without a doubt these are used to show that God is not subject unto time or is he.......?

God is a God of timing, and when Jesus walked the earth as a man, and on numerous occasions when they attempted to seize him but could not because it was not yet time. Even the will and plan of the Heavenly Father is based upon time. At the sounding of the 7th trump, it states clearly that TIME SHALL BE NO MORE.

Even the verses which speak to the beast being revealed IN HIS TIME somewhat speaks to this element of timing....

What do you all think about Peter's use of HASTENING the coming of the day of GOD..........?

Is God constrained by his unchanging nature and character as applied unto time and the plan to work out man's redemption?

Anyway, just some points to ponder about time, eternity, God and the word HASTENING........

As someone once mentioned take another hit.. its been proven that the faster a person travels time slows for a person thats Gforce black out.. its never been proven people can do that its just a theory. does light its self a phycial matter that comes out from your tabletop lamp stop while traveling at light speed but its a pipe dream God cant create earth and its inhabitants over a period of 4.5 billion yrs

 

[breno785au]

Great discussion..I've always struggled to view time as a substance, I only view it as a unit of measurement. :/

 

[Zmouth]

Great discussion..I've always struggled to view time as a substance, I only view it as a unit of measurement. :/

What do you think it measures? On second thought, does anyone really know what it is?

If anyone has the time they ought to read Ephesians 5:16 & Colossians 4:5