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It seems to me there are many coming into this thread who see judaizers under their beds.
I know of no one in this thread who is under the law, however everyone who sees teh word, obey, jumps gladly to thatt determination, actually they conclude it.
This thread is not about being under the law it is about how the Holy Spirit, once having converted the heart, gives us
the ability to read the law and understand teh wisdom and truth in those laws not yet fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
He has fulfilled what is written in prophecy of Him by the prophets and the law.
Obedience under grace is what Salvation is about. To believe in disobedience of God's will for us, and wore yet, to teach against obedience is not right.
I know of no one in this thread who is under the law, however everyone who sees teh word, obey, jumps gladly to thatt determination, actually they conclude it.
This thread is not about being under the law it is about how the Holy Spirit, once having converted the heart, gives us
the ability to read the law and understand teh wisdom and truth in those laws not yet fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
He has fulfilled what is written in prophecy of Him by the prophets and the law.
Obedience under grace is what Salvation is about. To believe in disobedience of God's will for us, and wore yet, to teach against obedience is not right.
Please elaborate?
Do you say the Greatest Commandment to Love GOD with our all is now only in Loving our Neighbour as ourself?
If so I disagree.. we are taught not to say we Love GOD if we Love not each other.. for the Royal Law is to be Kept in love.. so to say no to the needy is not loving GOD.. it’s as good as saying no to the Lord when we refuse the poor of help.. yet I would not bow to idols or take the Lord’s name in vain.. for that is displeasing to GOD.. just as not honouring my parents would be..
It is always the 4th Commandment that for many does not fall in to the Royal Law of Love.. despite the Lord’s Instruction...
Do you say the Greatest Commandment to Love GOD with our all is now only in Loving our Neighbour as ourself?
If so I disagree.. we are taught not to say we Love GOD if we Love not each other.. for the Royal Law is to be Kept in love.. so to say no to the needy is not loving GOD.. it’s as good as saying no to the Lord when we refuse the poor of help.. yet I would not bow to idols or take the Lord’s name in vain.. for that is displeasing to GOD.. just as not honouring my parents would be..
It is always the 4th Commandment that for many does not fall in to the Royal Law of Love.. despite the Lord’s Instruction...
It is summed up in loving God....John is clear...if you love God as you should by default you will also love them that are begotten of God......If we Love God as we should...we will also love and do right by our neighbor.......that is my view......and while there.....the law itself deems guilt and points men to Christ.....so ponder that....IT POINTS TO THE CURE AND IS NOT THE CURE ITSELF.......BUT RATHER CONDEMNS AND PROVES GUILT!
OK, let's examine these assertions one by one, and that should also cover the rest of this post.
True. As the Bible says (Rom 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
So we all know that sinners are justified by grace through faith, but many Christians are unaware that the saints are sanctified by obeying the Ten Commandments by the power of the Spirit through agape love.
False. To be sanctified is indeed to become more like Christ, who is Love, since God is love.
The Ten Commandments were summed up by Christ as the two greatest commandments, and both those commandments are summed up in one word -- AGAPE (Charity or Love). Paul says that Love is the fulfilling of the Law, and he refers to some of the Ten Commandments in that context (Rom 13:8-10). And Jesus said "If you love me you will keep my commandments". Therefore in the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit writes those commandments in the hearts and minds of believers, and when they walk in love and walk in the Spirit, they are in fact fulfilling the Law.
So if we are to understand the Law properly, it is God's immutable standard of morality, righteousness, and spirituality. On one hand it condemns the guilty sinner and does not allow him to be justified by the deeds of the Law. On the other hand it sanctifies the saint who sees the Law summed up in the two greatest commandments -- total love for God (the first four commandments summed up), and unfeigned or genuine love for your neighbor (the last six commandments summed up). Upon these two hang all the Law and the Prophets, but they also form the foundation of the Law of Christ, which is the Law of Love, the Law of Liberty, and the Royal Law. Study the epistle of James for more insight into this.
True. As the Bible says (Rom 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
So we all know that sinners are justified by grace through faith, but many Christians are unaware that the saints are sanctified by obeying the Ten Commandments by the power of the Spirit through agape love.
False. To be sanctified is indeed to become more like Christ, who is Love, since God is love.
The Ten Commandments were summed up by Christ as the two greatest commandments, and both those commandments are summed up in one word -- AGAPE (Charity or Love). Paul says that Love is the fulfilling of the Law, and he refers to some of the Ten Commandments in that context (Rom 13:8-10). And Jesus said "If you love me you will keep my commandments". Therefore in the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit writes those commandments in the hearts and minds of believers, and when they walk in love and walk in the Spirit, they are in fact fulfilling the Law.
So if we are to understand the Law properly, it is God's immutable standard of morality, righteousness, and spirituality. On one hand it condemns the guilty sinner and does not allow him to be justified by the deeds of the Law. On the other hand it sanctifies the saint who sees the Law summed up in the two greatest commandments -- total love for God (the first four commandments summed up), and unfeigned or genuine love for your neighbor (the last six commandments summed up). Upon these two hang all the Law and the Prophets, but they also form the foundation of the Law of Christ, which is the Law of Love, the Law of Liberty, and the Royal Law. Study the epistle of James for more insight into this.
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DC, don't you think it was always like that but we just missed the point in the OT.
To me God was love since day 1
To me God was love since day 1
The LAW came by MOSES <---CONDEMNS AND PROVES ALL GUILTY AND SHUTS EVERY MOUTH
But GRACE AND TRUTH came by JESUS <----THINK ABOUT THAT......THE two words used....TRUTH BEING ONE OF THE WORDS as opposed to what came by MOSES....
God loves ALL of creation....KOSMOS used in John 3:16 and ALL of creation groans and travails....Jesus did not just redeem man....but rather...ALL OF CREATION!
Let us remain as on topic as possible.
Reading my OP you will not find any reference to obedience justifying anyone.
You will not find any reference to being under the law but under grace with a will to obey God.
You will find none of the contributing posts redirecting the message in my post.
The post deals with the great and wonderful gift of the Holy Spirit teaching us to be able to
read Moses and all of the Word without the veil of Moses.
We are given a heart that witnesses to the veracity and wisdom of those few laws that remain,
those that are not concerning the Temple, the State, the Priesthood, Sacrifices, Diet, and more,
leaving only the wisdom of moral behavior laws.
YES all laws are within the Ten Commandments for we are to Love God, and it follows the two great laws
are included in loving God.
The understanding of the OP is not nuclear PHYSICS. It is truly simple. Children understand.
Reading my OP you will not find any reference to obedience justifying anyone.
You will not find any reference to being under the law but under grace with a will to obey God.
You will find none of the contributing posts redirecting the message in my post.
The post deals with the great and wonderful gift of the Holy Spirit teaching us to be able to
read Moses and all of the Word without the veil of Moses.
We are given a heart that witnesses to the veracity and wisdom of those few laws that remain,
those that are not concerning the Temple, the State, the Priesthood, Sacrifices, Diet, and more,
leaving only the wisdom of moral behavior laws.
YES all laws are within the Ten Commandments for we are to Love God, and it follows the two great laws
are included in loving God.
The understanding of the OP is not nuclear PHYSICS. It is truly simple. Children understand.
I am not disagreeing with you, but as I understand it God was always the source even for the law Moses gave us.
The law is the marriage proposal for God and His bride. David teach us that the law is perfect but also that the law is written on his heart. He teach us that we have to love the law, take delight in it and not forget it. How can we read that and say Jesus destroyed it? Friend it is our interpretation and understanding of God's law that has changed.
The law was always written on our hearts but thank God he gave it to Moses to write it down because imagine the deception without the Bible being available to all .
The law is the marriage proposal for God and His bride. David teach us that the law is perfect but also that the law is written on his heart. He teach us that we have to love the law, take delight in it and not forget it. How can we read that and say Jesus destroyed it? Friend it is our interpretation and understanding of God's law that has changed.
The law was always written on our hearts but thank God he gave it to Moses to write it down because imagine the deception without the Bible being available to all
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The Ten Commandments were only the tip of the iceberg of Old Testament law. There were many more laws than ten under Moses- all of which we still obey spiritually. God’s law was not nailed to the cross, what was nailed was the physical way of obeying God’s law under Moses.
Now we are under Christ, not Moses, and we obey those laws spiritually, not physically. Therefore we are no longer to physically drag sinners out of the city and stone them to death. Can we murder or commit adultery? No, God’s law still stands. But under Christ, since we obey it spiritually, if you commit it in your heart, you are already guilty of it.
Now we are under Christ, not Moses, and we obey those laws spiritually, not physically. Therefore we are no longer to physically drag sinners out of the city and stone them to death. Can we murder or commit adultery? No, God’s law still stands. But under Christ, since we obey it spiritually, if you commit it in your heart, you are already guilty of it.
I do not know about the iceberg, but I do know if we love God we will obey according to what He has instructed us according to mercy justice, and faith.....that last is from Jesus Christ onapplying the law.
I truly believe this has been indicated by the OP, and by you now......thanks and God bless you.
I truly believe this has been indicated by the OP, and by you now......thanks and God bless you.
Well, for example, if they saw their neighbor’s donkey walking away, they were to not turn a blind eye, but to hold their donkey until they come for it. This is not one of the Ten main Commandments of God, but it is a command of God. If we see our neighbor’s car is rolling away, we must also not turn a blind eye, but help if we can. Sometimes obeying God spiritually looks the same as obeying God physicality. And sometimes it doesn’t- like paying for certain things with certain animals, or sacrificing a physically perfect lamb when you have a spiritually perfect Lamb.
No you are right it proves guilt and need of our Saviour.. it is by the Grace of GOD in Believing the Lord that we are set free under Grace.. but GOD’s Law pointed out that we need to be changed inwardly.. hence the Holy Spirit Baptism.. which guides and comforts a Believer... the fundamental is the 10.. because Christ said we should Keep and Teach even the Least Commandment..
I have come to understand more than ever that the 4th Commandment is the only one that we disagree on under Love.. unless you are a Catholic Bowing to idols and all sorts of abominable worship..
So the Lord is the cure.. our Blessing that if we Believe we are under Grace and will be judged by the Royal Law.. so we Grow in Grace and Knowledge of our Lord.. increasing our Faith by obeying Him as unworthy servants..
So if I believe I’m to Keep the Sabbath Holy Which is to Keep it separate.... in Christ I’m free without the condemnation.. it is not what I do or do not.. but that I Believe the King whom taught Sabbath was made for us and not we for the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good.. if I’m not in the Faith I would be burdened and not delighted.. because Love is the reason in the New Covenant.. not fear of death.. it is agape Love..
anyhow... thanks for replying.. I wanted to hear more of what your thought was.
This too I believe is covered in the OP. All the law that stands in our sight witnessed by our heart is good. I even cited in one of my posts the very same law (moral advice to conduct) you have about returning our neighbor's property should we encounter it away from him, actually it includes our enemy's property.... You cannot have a more purely motivated law that ntah. Do untu others as we would have them do unto us........... If we love God we do His Word according to the new heart witness we have received, and this is a truly woderful gift from our Dad. God bless you always dear sister.
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DC, don't you think it was always like that but we just missed the point in the OT.
To me God was love since day 1
To me God was love since day 1