Could the tribulation start this year?

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soberxp

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And you thought I would not believe you : D
I believe you. There is no point in making this story up.

I know that 7 has a lot to do in the Bible. I do not know the exact meaning of that, but I've been thinking perhaps it's connected to a pledge of some sort. A contract, you might say. I do not know.

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You already knew, she was catch up to the air/heaven then go back to the earth ,she knew the future about me,But I don't know how much she knows about the future, maybe only about me,I don't know, but I'm sure anyone catch up to air/heaven will know something about the future and past.(One more thing, I'm sure my future hasn't been changed. I'm still on myself time line.It may be a bit complicated to understand)

I think that our flesh bodies are on earth and our spirit bodies are in heaven when God catch up us.
Because you can't put new wine in old bottles.
Matthew 9:17
Mark 2:22
Luke
5:37-38

I don't know why God "catch up" some people into the heaven then put them back to earth,I think this is a bit contradictory.
But God is Almighty,he can do whatever he wishes.......as the OT, some Saints were catch up to heaven.

What I want to say is that others were "caught up" to the air/heaven then put them back to earth too, I think that's why some people preach “rapture”, They may really have experienced it. You should know, I didn't hear any “rapture” theories when people talking about the second coming of Jesus around me in China, What I knew later was that people no longer mention Jesus's second coming, but anything about “rapture” .
But I think their theory failed, God didn't "caught up" them again or "caught up" others anymore when return of Jesus.(I am not meaning we'll never meet Jesus in heaven)

But I still think that our flesh bodies are on earth and our spirit bodies are in heaven that God catch up us when we "sleep" in this world. Because you can't put new wine in old bottles.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

And I have met someone painting prophecy about me, and I have seen visions of return of Jesus, but I still don't understand what is dream dreams.

someone painting prophecy about me:
I see avatars used by others on a forum(Which forum I want to keep it secret) and the avatars It's about what I'm going to encounter in the future after A few minutes,I never knew this guy who he or she is.
At that time, I only felt inexplicable fear.(But I won't be surprised or afraid to see anything strange now)

But, according to my research, "the time of the end" started in 2001. It's also the year Bush Jr. inaugurated, and the 9/11, and stuff was all on God's timetable. Daniel 11:14-15. This was 9/11. Bush is there too.

Since 2001, in the cycle of 7 years, there have been global events. Every 7th year. (Ex. 2008, 2015.) Jonathan Cahn calls it "the year of Shemitah," but some people blast him that he's misleading. But I don't think so. If this cycle really exists, then the next end of the cycle will be the year 2022. (2015 + 7). This is kind of why I don't think it's THIS year (2021) that something catastrophic will happen, but next year.

This year, however, I'm thinking things will start to go wrong for Biden or there will be some drastic change that will lead to something in 2022.
2015 Agreement on Iran nuclear issue

2022 China prepares to recover Taiwan by force and tense relations between China and the United States ?????

2029 Asteroid impact on earth ????

I don't know. Maybe You can find out someone whom I was talking about and ask them.
 

tanakh

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Have you ever read this ?https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-second-coming-of-jesus.193968/#post-4337271


yes, the Bible says everyone will see him.

but, if return of Jesus everyone see him ,then why Matthew 24:44 Luke 12:40



John 20:29

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

What we need to do now is to prepare for Lord,
soberxp
Have you ever read this ?https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-second-coming-of-jesus.193968/#post-4337271


yes, the Bible says everyone will see him.

but, if return of Jesus everyone see him ,then why Matthew 24:44 Luke 12:40



John 20:29

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

What we need to do now is to prepare for Lord,

I'm not sure exactly what it is in my post that you find boring. If it's me then I am sorry to bore you. If its the Bible quotations
I added that would give cause ofor concern.

I have looked up the Bible discussion you mention and read your account of the experiences you have had. I am not questioning
that what you claim to have experienced is genuine or that you honestly believe they came from God. However many others
have had simular experiences and whole religions and movements have been formed on the strengh of them. Two examples are
Mohammed and Joseph Smith. As for your quotations from the Gospels I agree we should always be prepared for Christs return
but not with a Bible in one hand and the latest Newspaper in the other. Every so often someone comes up with another prediction
of when the Lord returns or when we are all raptured. The date passes and its ignored until the next time. If some of these people
lived in the time of Jesus they would have been stoned to death.
 

AandW

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USA has newly elected Leaders, now Israel has new Leaders who on the first day broke the Peace Treaty and bombed the Gaza Strip. I believe they will also begin rebuilding the Temple soon. And I believe the newly elected High Priest will play a major role in the worlds events. No doubt the Antichrist will come from Israel. Why? The rest of the world are Gentiles and no true Jew is bowing down to a Gentile Messiah. We are closer than we think!
 

Jackson123

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So I don't make threads often but when I do it is because I feel or believe something strongly and I personally think the tribulation could very well begin this year. For those of you who know I am a pretrib rapture believer and while I leave room for me being wrong and end up having to go through the tribulation I truly feel myself looking up more when I did my recent bible prophecy study.
And some of you may know as well I study biblical numerology as numbers are used all throughout the bible as if a hidden language and used precicely in each manner of which it is used I found a site on this subject a while back https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/21.html and it has so far been amazing in helping me understand and the number 21 and this year has been on my eyes for a while now because it does seem to symbolize great wickeness and rebellion and sin ehich if you look at things in the world right now the wickedness corruption and sin is by far worse than it has been in a good while.

My next thing is the number 22 which seems to represent great disorder and chaos and again the link is herehttps://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/22.html Also remember how Jesus said on the mount of olives how the generation will see all these things come to pass? what is a generation according to scripture? the bible says it is 70 years or by reason of strength 80 years, now pay attention to Israel and how it became a nation again in 1948 now lets add 80 years to that and what is it? 2028 what is 7 minus that? 2021 why does God begin the great tribulation to begin with? the great rebellion and sin of man.
This is only a little of my studies but I just felt God telling me to make this thread how it is recieved is in his hands
Also for those who have been worried I have not been online much I was put into an institute by family for the mentally disabled which I don't belong in but have nowhere to go and the internet here is very finicky plus I have been working a lot as well but God has been with me and speaking to me so I figure he must have me here for a reason
Seem to me there will big world war before the antichrist.

It may big war, than the man of sin show up offer peace, to make sure no world war, we must make one world government lead by the anti christ, it may pope, because pope always promote one world government. I believe not only catholic involve, he need support from more people, that is why pope also promote one world religion, Vatican embrace Muslim with ccc 841.
 

soberxp

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soberxp



I'm not sure exactly what it is in my post that you find boring. If it's me then I am sorry to bore you. If its the Bible quotations
I added that would give cause ofor concern.

I have looked up the Bible discussion you mention and read your account of the experiences you have had. I am not questioning
that what you claim to have experienced is genuine or that you honestly believe they came from God. However many others
have had simular experiences and whole religions and movements have been formed on the strengh of them. Two examples are
Mohammed and Joseph Smith. As for your quotations from the Gospels I agree we should always be prepared for Christs return
but not with a Bible in one hand and the latest Newspaper in the other. Every so often someone comes up with another prediction
of when the Lord returns or when we are all raptured. The date passes and its ignored until the next time. If some of these people
lived in the time of Jesus they would have been stoned to death.
My trouble comes from knowing that Jesus has returned,but others may still think it's not the time and Complain about why Jesus hasn't come yet.

God didn't let you saw the return of Jesus just wanted to bless all of you. I've mentioned that Scripture many times, blessed is he who not seen me but believed.

I'm not here to start a new religion, I came to here just for the return of Jesus,the message.
cuz I maybe the only one who saw him coming in the clouds.......

if I wanted to start a new religion, I would like call the name is "most religion have the same God Except Hinduism". forget about it.
 

FreeGrace2

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Not if you interpret Scripture properly. What is revealed in chapter 6 actually happens AFTER the Great Tribulation: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)
Uh, why do you go to Matt 24 to "interpret" Rev 6?

And Matt 24:29 isn't a description of Rev 6 anyway. I'd say you have failed to understand Scripture properly.

Your view has John all over the map in his writings about future events. That's rather hard to swallow. And I'm not swallowing.
 

ResidentAlien

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Instead of debates where are the conversations that encourage others to seek deeper? Instead of scholars and teachers where are the students? Where is the fire? Where is that thirst? where is the light that reveals all truths?
Hi Blain.

I have to agree with you totally on this.

However, all I can say is, I'm not convinced the end is near; but, it's a lot nearer than it's ever been! Sorry ;).

People have been saying the end is near almost from day one. The list goes on and on.

I try to stay up on current events and match them to Bible prophecies. I used to be quick to think certain things pointed to the end, thanks to people like Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe and Tim Lahey. But after seeing so many things come and go and still no end in sight, I've concluded that if we're watching we won't be taken by surprise. We shouldn't get too caught up in worrying about the end.

But I do agree we need a lot more students and a lot fewer debaters.
 

Rondonmon

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Yes I watched a you tube video of Tom Horn I think his name was. I know you cannot believe everything you watch on you tube but he did have some interesting information. Have you ever watched the Berisheet prophecy??
I have seen that a little plus other stuff he has done and I am very wary of that, not that God cant put codes in, and a bike code in if He wanted to,, but the Revelation code is there for all to see, you just have t translate it via the Old Testament. In this case, this looks like a watch this hand not that hand move, can't be sure unless I dug in deep. But, if I place 7 answers on a written paper in various spots in my living room, then tell someone I am clairvoyant, and can read their minds, and tell them to pick out their favorite color, then I tell them to name their color, and I say, look up under the Pillow on the couch, thus it has the name of the color written down. It's an illusion. Likewise, the Hebrew language had like only 4000 words, YOWM mean Day, but also was used for about 50 other things, such as a month, a year, evermore, continually, perpetually, X whole, etc., etc. so, seeing as each letter, number and word had many meanings, you could craft a story by using letters and what they stand for and or words and our numbers, I mean if 10 and 7 means Completeness and 12 means fullness and 6 means Mankind and 3 and 7 also stand for God/the Trinity, and 8 means New Beginnings, etc., etc. All someone who is very crafty would ha e to do to "WEAVE a story together" is create the narrative first, then find the word, letter, or number that has the meaning you are looking for and sub it in.

For instance, let's say I wanted to say God has completed His dealings with Israel, and it's now a New Beginning with only the Gentiles. I could find letters that meant 3, 7, and 12 and say (3) God (7) has completed His dealings with Israel and he a new Covenant or beginning (8) with Israel.

Of course, I didn't put much thought or effort into that, but as you can see, it would be easy using the Letters, or the Numbers, or the Words to weave a crafty tale together. I am always very wary of these types of things tbh.

I did see Tom Horn and don't really know much about him, but sometimes God uses others to fill in our missing blanks. I never understood the first four Trumpet judgments were all ONE Asteroid strike spoken of in 4 different ways. That is what led me to the Seals not really doing anything, and understanding the 1st Woe or 5th Trump comes almost as soon as the 1st Trump because all 4 Trumps in Rev. 8 are ONE event. Thus Apollyon is released at the midway point of the 70th week. Little things bring forth big reference points for me in many cases.

As per Tom Horn, I got the understanding about Apophis from him, he stated something about he predicted the Pope resigning etc., but TBH I have seen some weird videos with him, so I don't just grasp everything a hear. I was told the RCC and Pope were the Beast and false prophet 35 plus years ago and I never bought it at all.
 

Rondonmon

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If God hadn't chosen Biden to be in office, it would not have happened. I've been told that Biden has dementia, and that it'll be exposed to public soon. And Dems will go "underground," and come back later on. This is the reason why God put him there.

Something is going on.
This simply is not true sister, in general, God leaves our choices unto us.

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Paul started Satan is the god of this world. Look at this evil world, who image is it made in? Satan's of course.

God can (as He is God), intervene of course as he did with Cyrus and Alexander the Great. But for the most part, God gives us the kings we deserve. So, why did God give us Trump then allow the Dems to steal the election? Well, it's obvious to those who understand end tie prophecy. Satan had sped up the process too fast, thus God needed a BRAKE and thus He used Mr. Anti-Globialism, Donald J. Trump to slow it down. Then he allowed the Dems/LIbs to steal the election because the Anti-Christ has to start coming forth soon, I see the Rapture as the Fall of 2025 BECAUSE I see the Apophis Asteroid as the DOTL, hitting on April 13, 2029. Subtract 3.5 years and you get the fall of 2025. The point being, in 2016 it was too soon, in 2020, God allowed it because it must needs come to pass, Globalism has to gain traction now, the Anti-Christ, IMHO, will be ruling by 2026 as the E.U. President and will become Beast when the 2029 Asteroid strikes. Who will be President in 2025 going forward? My guess is Trump will win if the chesting is staunched, and our President will thus be a sign, a President named Trump when the Trumpet blows would be a sign, no doubt.

God always used names as signs in the Old Testament, Jesus name is Yeshua, which means Salvation, thus everytime the word yeshusa is used in the Old Testament and the Prophets were speking of a personal yeshua/salvation, many times it was simply saying yeshua or, Jesus. Moses meant brought forth, Noah means rest or comfort etc.

Biden was allowed to win so the Anti-Christs path can be made straight. He has to come to power sister. Be he will come to his end very soon. As will all of the wicked.
 

soberxp

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This simply is not true sister, in general, God leaves our choices unto us.

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Paul started Satan is the god of this world. Look at this evil world, who image is it made in? Satan's of course.

God can (as He is God), intervene of course as he did with Cyrus and Alexander the Great. But for the most part, God gives us the kings we deserve. So, why did God give us Trump then allow the Dems to steal the election? Well, it's obvious to those who understand end tie prophecy. Satan had sped up the process too fast, thus God needed a BRAKE and thus He used Mr. Anti-Globialism, Donald J. Trump to slow it down. Then he allowed the Dems/LIbs to steal the election because the Anti-Christ has to start coming forth soon, I see the Rapture as the Fall of 2025 BECAUSE I see the Apophis Asteroid as the DOTL, hitting on April 13, 2029. Subtract 3.5 years and you get the fall of 2025. The point being, in 2016 it was too soon, in 2020, God allowed it because it must needs come to pass, Globalism has to gain traction now, the Anti-Christ, IMHO, will be ruling by 2026 as the E.U. President and will become Beast when the 2029 Asteroid strikes. Who will be President in 2025 going forward? My guess is Trump will win if the chesting is staunched, and our President will thus be a sign, a President named Trump when the Trumpet blows would be a sign, no doubt.

God always used names as signs in the Old Testament, Jesus name is Yeshua, which means Salvation, thus everytime the word yeshusa is used in the Old Testament and the Prophets were speking of a personal yeshua/salvation, many times it was simply saying yeshua or, Jesus. Moses meant brought forth, Noah means rest or comfort etc.

Biden was allowed to win so the Anti-Christs path can be made straight. He has to come to power sister. Be he will come to his end very soon. As will all of the wicked.
I would say there is nothing to do with the bible nor Any Scripture to do with Your president.
 

Rondonmon

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I would say there is nothing to do with the bible nor Any Scripture to do with Your president.
You can say that all you want, that doesn't make it so..........see Daniel 10, God ordered the prince of Persia (Apollyon) to allow Alexander the Great to have victory over Persia. God pre-knowing all the Beasts manipulates these things asHe so please, He got Persia to defeat Babylon and thus free the Jewish peoples to go back home and rebuild their city of Jerusalem. He allowed the U.S. Colonies to defeat England so there would be a power on earth to defeat Hitler when he came along.

Not understanding this just tells me you are not very hip on Prophecy at all. God allows us to chose evil kings/presidents but like David, he also chooses His own at times.
 

soberxp

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You can say that all you want, that doesn't make it so..........see Daniel 10, God ordered the prince of Persia (Apollyon) to allow Alexander the Great to have victory over Persia. God pre-knowing all the Beasts manipulates these things asHe so please, He got Persia to defeat Babylon and thus free the Jewish peoples to go back home and rebuild their city of Jerusalem. He allowed the U.S. Colonies to defeat England so there would be a power on earth to defeat Hitler when he came along.

Not understanding this just tells me you are not very hip on Prophecy at all. God allows us to chose evil kings/presidents but like David, he also chooses His own at times.
What do these world events have to do with the gospel?
 

Gideon300

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So this shows that there have been countless seven-year tribulations ........
The many of the prophecies of Daniel were fulfilled by the Greek Antiochus Epiphanese. Others point to Rome, Rome revived (Catholicism) and the Antichrist of the last days. Daniel was so accurate that some "scholars" said that it had to be written after the events.
You know that both wings belong to one man, right? That's being played is just an introduction for a One World Government.

If you doubt, do freely. But I'd like to ask: has there been a greater revival since Azusa street in those nations?

If you talk about ungodliness, America isn't alone in it. The whole world is SETTING ON. THAT. COURSE. That said, a Revival does not occur to a living body. It has to be dead. And if American Church isn't revived, no other church would, considering the fact that the world shifts around America now.
American pride and conceit is what is bringing her down now. The Asuza street revival was nothing compared to the revival the Lord about under the Wesley brothers. China and Russia will soon overtake the USA as world powers. The idiocy of this is that it was Western money, especially American money, that made China what it is today. Australia sells the best quality iron ore to China. They make steel to build warships that threaten Taiwan, the South China Sea and Australia itself. If Nixon had left China isolated, the world would be a much safer place.

Americans think that the whole world wants to be like them. That is not true. It hasn't been the case in Iraq or Afghanistan. Iraqi Christians are worse off than they were under Saddam. Afghanistan is headed back to Taliban rule, a medieval mentality with 21st century weapons. So much for American interventionist policies. The only place it has worked is Grenada. Clap clap.

There is more reality of Christ in the church in China, North Korea, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan. Persecuted Christians have no choice but to be close to God.
 
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pretrib rapture
This is the result of people's forced interpretation of the Bible. If this never happens, it will only destroy the faith of believers.
It is appropriate to focus on spiritual life.
Job 5:7
And what will happen to your faith if it DOES happen and you are left behind ? The rapture Will happen whether you like it or not.
 

soberxp

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And what will happen to your faith if it DOES happen and you are left behind ? The rapture Will happen whether you like it or not.
Do u understand what is rapture? if I understand it wrong.
 
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If God hadn't chosen Biden to be in office, it would not have happened. I've been told that Biden has dementia, and that it'll be exposed to public soon. And Dems will go "underground," and come back later on. This is the reason why God put him there.

Something is going on.
If God hadn't chosen Biden to be in office, it would not have happened. I've been told that Biden has dementia, and that it'll be exposed to public soon. And Dems will go "underground," and come back later on. This is the reason why God put him there.

Something is going on.
Strongly dis-agree, God did not put or choose to put Biden in office. Biden is a total fraud of which God may have allowed to happen because of the wickedness of the hearts of men.
 

soberxp

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Also for those who have been worried I have not been online much I was put into an institute by family for the mentally disabled which I don't belong in but have nowhere to go and the internet here is very finicky plus I have been working a lot as well but God has been with me and speaking to me so I figure he must have me here for a reason
I can understand your feelings. I've been put in mental hospital many times by my family.

Forgive.

I hope you can be comforted by reading the, Bible.
Maybe I can comfort you.
I hope you can keep a positive attitude.
my friend.
 
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USA has newly elected Leaders, now Israel has new Leaders who on the first day broke the Peace Treaty and bombed the Gaza Strip. I believe they will also begin rebuilding the Temple soon. And I believe the newly elected High Priest will play a major role in the worlds events. No doubt the Antichrist will come from Israel. Why? The rest of the world are Gentiles and no true Jew is bowing down to a Gentile Messiah. We are closer than we think!
The so called new "leaders" of Israel is made up of a caldron of 5 parties ( a coaltion ) that are weakly united over one agenda, to outs Benjamin Netanyahu, the best pm Israel had in decades. This is truely a sad time for Israel.
Also , where does it say in scripture that the A/C will be a Jew ? Could it be that he will come from an Arab country ? An Anti- Jew ? He will make peace with israel and later break it .
 

soberxp

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USA has newly elected Leaders, now Israel has new Leaders who on the first day broke the Peace Treaty and bombed the Gaza Strip. I believe they will also begin rebuilding the Temple soon. And I believe the newly elected High Priest will play a major role in the worlds events. No doubt the Antichrist will come from Israel. Why? The rest of the world are Gentiles and no true Jew is bowing down to a Gentile Messiah. We are closer than we think!
The funny thing is that they think that Hamas is setting fire on the border, so they bombed the Hamas arsenal.
I just want to know what Solomon thinks. There may be relatives of Solomon's wife among those people
 

soberxp

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The funny thing is that they think that Hamas is setting fire on the border, so they bombed the Hamas arsenal.
I just want to know what Solomon thinks. There may be relatives of Solomon's wife among those people
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