Could the tribulation start this year?

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soberxp

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No one knows the day or the hour... the birth pains are already started but will just get worse.
This is the battle to change the future, because repentance itself is a matter of changing one's life time.
revelation says the result first, then Lord says :" I'm coming soon."
But it seems that no one is willing to change anything.
What people are looking for and waiting for is vengeful judgement.
If really understand the gospel, then ACT 7 Saints don't look forward to vengeful judgement. ACT 7:60.

The understanding of bible just get worse.


ACT 7 this is true tribulations for Saints
 

TheDivineWatermark

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@soberxp , Do you believe that Luke 21:22 was referring to the events surrounding 70ad, as I do believe it refers to? :

"22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written."
 

de-emerald

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Yes sadly many to thise day still try to predict the exact day but this was not the purpose of this thread it didn't even have to do with the rapture it had to do with the tribulation.
I do think it is possible that it could happen this year or maybe even next year and it was niave of me to try to keep this thread focused on that topic I should have known that it would always end up being about the rapture that was unavoidable I suppose but even so I still think we would be wise to pay attention and to study deeper because no matter our stance on the rapture and the tribulation God is showing us the signs but I worry that we have seen so many false teachers and prophets that we have hardened our hearts from seeing and knowing what is to come

More than anything this thread should bring us and provoke us to go deeper I have no interest in any more heated debates about who is right I created this thread to bring everyone closer and to hopefully find others who are just as passionate in the study of bible prophecy as me not to be right or to arm ourselves for debates but because our spirits can feel a tug to look closer
Is pre tribulation for christians ?

Does tribulation signify the rapture to you.

does tribulation signify end times ? to you.

Why should christians be on the watch tower for end times ?
 

Blain

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First will Satan coming out as the fake 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ. Very short amount of time later, Real Jesus Christ comes.

1 Thessalonians 5:3-5
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3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Matthew 24:6-14

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6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you (God's elect), and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Bible tells us God's elects will be jailed or killed.
Yes and that is being set up even now, did you know that anyone who didn't get the vaccine or stands for trump will be incarcerated in camps for saftey measures? look at the news, anyone who refuses the vaccine or is for trump is seen as an enemy by the government places are being made for such people and also Israe; is going to be the main victim of all this when it happens, these things all happen during the tribulation not before it at least not on the scale of mass genocide as described in scripture
 

Blain

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Is pre tribulation for christians ?

Does tribulation signify the rapture to you.

does tribulation signify end times ? to you.

Why should christians be on the watch tower for end times ?
No the tribulation does not signify the rapture to me yes the tribulation does signify the end times and Christians should on the watch for the end times so our hearts are prepared because all to many will not be prepared all to many will not heed the warnings and all to many will fall in faith when it does happen
 

Blain

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Is pre tribulation for christians ?

Does tribulation signify the rapture to you.

does tribulation signify end times ? to you.

Why should christians be on the watch tower for end times ?
To be clear whether post trib pretrib or mid trib is not my focus the tribulation is.
I don't care who is right about when the rapture happens I do not hold my own understanding of it in the forumula I only do and go as God leads me and he lead me to look deeper into the signs of the tribulation not the rapture and I don't understand why we cannot discuss the tribulation without debating on the rapture I have no intention or interest in discussing or debating the rapture

If people want to debate the rapture they can go to the thousands of threads about it that already exist on here but everyone should at least respect my wishes for my thread instead of taking it over and making it about the rapture I clearly stated my stance on the rapture I clearly stated what this thread was for and if people don't wish to respect that then I will just let you all have your way with this thread as clearly it was a mistake I will just keep doing my studies and go where God leads me elsewhere
 

de-emerald

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To be clear whether post trib pretrib or mid trib is not my focus the tribulation is.
I don't care who is right about when the rapture happens I do not hold my own understanding of it in the forumula I only do and go as God leads me and he lead me to look deeper into the signs of the tribulation not the rapture and I don't understand why we cannot discuss the tribulation without debating on the rapture I have no intention or interest in discussing or debating the rapture

If people want to debate the rapture they can go to the thousands of threads about it that already exist on here but everyone should at least respect my wishes for my thread instead of taking it over and making it about the rapture I clearly stated my stance on the rapture I clearly stated what this thread was for and if people don't wish to respect that then I will just let you all have your way with this thread as clearly it was a mistake I will just keep doing my studies and go where God leads me elsewhere
blain im happy to discuss it i just want to know if christians will face tribulation ? when tribulations comes. im asking because i thought tribulation was only for none christians.
 
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Yes and that is being set up even now, did you know that anyone who didn't get the vaccine or stands for trump will be incarcerated in camps for saftey measures? look at the news, anyone who refuses the vaccine or is for trump is seen as an enemy by the government places are being made for such people and also Israe; is going to be the main victim of all this when it happens, these things all happen during the tribulation not before it at least not on the scale of mass genocide as described in scripture
Vaccine is not mark of the beast. Worldwide worship of Satan as the fake 2nd Coming of Jesus with great miracles didn't happen yet. Also the buying and trading bible verse didn't happen yet. Only nonelects will receive the mark of the beast. Impossible for God's elects to receive mark of the beast. If you deny this, this means you don't believe God is sovereign and control of everything. Satan needs God's approval before doing anything. https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html

The only tribulation for God's elects is jail or killed physically. Similar to the 12 apostles that got killed.
 
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The Tribulation cannot begin until the Antichrist is in full control. And the Antichrist cannot take full control until the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way. And when that happens the Church -- the Body of Christ -- is also taken out of the way.

But we are indeed very close the the revelation of the Antichrist. All government have become tyrannical and enemies of the citizens of their countries. They have robbed free people of all their freedoms through the COVID Scamdemic.
I remember during the time of the Riwanda genocide where tens of thousands of innocent people were massacred, an African Christian remarked, "I don't know about a future great tribulation, but we are having ours right now!:
 

Blain

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blain im happy to discuss it i just want to know if christians will face tribulation ? when tribulations comes. im asking because i thought tribulation was only for none christians.
well you see there is the issue the question if Christians will go through it depends on what you believe for the pre trib believers true Christians will not but to mid or post we will this question is not one I can answer because it is one that varies not to mention some believe it isn't even Christians but Israel who will go through the tribulation not believers

What I do know is that is would be unwise top not be prepared no matter how it plays out and the best way to do that is to first and formost deepen our love and relationship with God our hearts will always be the deciding factor not what doctrine we believe, we can believe Christians will or will not go through the tribulation but it doesn't really matter what we believe because it is going to play out how God ordained it.

In a sense that question is a trap for debating the rapture because depending on the answer it would implay the rapture has either happened or remains to happen, the tribulation itself is a topic to deep for simple conversation for instance how can we know for sure the tribulation truly is that close? What would be the most significant sign to convince people it's at our doors? We have seen many signs that have pointed to it but I wonder what would truly convince one to believe it is right at our doors?
 

Blain

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Vaccine is not mark of the beast. Worldwide worship of Satan as the fake 2nd Coming of Jesus with great miracles didn't happen yet. Also the buying and trading bible verse didn't happen yet. Only nonelects will receive the mark of the beast. Impossible for God's elects to receive mark of the beast. If you deny this, this means you don't believe God is sovereign and control of everything. Satan needs God's approval before doing anything. https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html

The only tribulation for God's elects is jail or killed physically. Similar to the 12 apostles that got killed.
No the vaccine is not the mark but a shadow of it the mark will be done in a similar fashion but that still doesn't matter if we are put in camps for refusing the vaccine, it is just like how bible prophecy works prophecy often foreshadows itself in the same way the vaccine and these camps foreshadow what is to come and trust me if we do end up having to go through iot we will be killed if we refuse it, right now we are having our rights challenged and taken away especiaLLY IF WE DON'T TAKE THE VACCINE BUT WHEN THE MARK DOES COME WE WON'T BE HAVING OUR FREEDOM TAKEN WE WILL JUST BE OUTRIGHT SLAUGHTERED
 

soberxp

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@soberxp , Do you believe that Luke 21:22 was referring to the events surrounding 70ad, as I do believe it refers to? :

"22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written."
vengeance or retribution here meaning who don't believe in Jesus. It's these people who want to revenge.Look at what they did to Stephen. Act 7

Luke 21:27 and then shall they see the son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory .

ACT 7:55-56
@soberxp , Do you believe that Luke 21:22 was referring to the events surrounding 70ad, as I do believe it refers to? :

"22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written."

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.- Luke 21:23
Who are the pregnant and the suckling? The man who preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. woe unto them .the WOE is great distress or great tribulations. They preach the word of God, that give suck , The one who hears is the child in pregnancy.

“22 because these are days of vengeance,” The Avengers are those who don't believe in Jesus Christ
“19 In your patience possess ye your souls.” You can't be patient and embrace revenge at the same time


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And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luke 21:27

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.



59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

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Think about it carefully,
Do the disciples and apostles show a vengeful attitude ?Yes or No ?
 

jb

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So I don't make threads often but when I do it is because I feel or believe something strongly and I personally think the tribulation could very well begin this year. For those of you who know I am a pretrib rapture believer and while I leave room for me being wrong and end up having to go through the tribulation I truly feel myself looking up more when I did my recent bible prophecy study.
And some of you may know as well I study biblical numerology as numbers are used all throughout the bible as if a hidden language and used precicely in each manner of which it is used I found a site on this subject a while back https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/21.html and it has so far been amazing in helping me understand and the number 21 and this year has been on my eyes for a while now because it does seem to symbolize great wickeness and rebellion and sin ehich if you look at things in the world right now the wickedness corruption and sin is by far worse than it has been in a good while.

My next thing is the number 22 which seems to represent great disorder and chaos and again the link is herehttps://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/22.html Also remember how Jesus said on the mount of olives how the generation will see all these things come to pass? what is a generation according to scripture? the bible says it is 70 years or by reason of strength 80 years, now pay attention to Israel and how it became a nation again in 1948 now lets add 80 years to that and what is it? 2028 what is 7 minus that? 2021 why does God begin the great tribulation to begin with? the great rebellion and sin of man.
This is only a little of my studies but I just felt God telling me to make this thread how it is recieved is in his hands
Also for those who have been worried I have not been online much I was put into an institute by family for the mentally disabled which I don't belong in but have nowhere to go and the internet here is very finicky plus I have been working a lot as well but God has been with me and speaking to me so I figure he must have me here for a reason
This kind of approach to end-time prophecy can only lead one down a dark and dangerous road!

I suggest that you (Blain) back track and with MUCH prayer, study and meditate upon the end-time prophetic Scriptures for the truth thereof!
 

John146

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This kind of approach to end-time prophecy can only lead one down a dark and dangerous road!

I suggest that you (Blain) back track and with MUCH prayer, study and meditate upon the end-time prophetic Scriptures for the truth thereof!

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 

ZNP

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So I don't make threads often but when I do it is because I feel or believe something strongly and I personally think the tribulation could very well begin this year.
This is a foggy question. We have 3 calendars that are relevant -- Gregorian, Bible, and Enoch. All three calendars were made under the sovereignty of the Lord, but the one that is relevant to this question is the Bible, that is your "prophetic calendar" for God's people. Enoch calendar is prophetic for the angels.

So I agree and disagree with you here. Yes, the tribulation will begin this year if we are talking about the Gregorian calendar but not if we are referring to the Biblical calendar.

For those of you who know I am a pretrib rapture believer and while I leave room for me being wrong and end up having to go through the tribulation I truly feel myself looking up more when I did my recent bible prophecy study.
And some of you may know as well I study biblical numerology as numbers are used all throughout the bible as if a hidden language and used precicely in each manner of which it is used I found a site on this subject a while back https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/21.html and it has so far been amazing in helping me understand and the number 21 and this year has been on my eyes for a while now because it does seem to symbolize great wickeness and rebellion and sin ehich if you look at things in the world right now the wickedness corruption and sin is by far worse than it has been in a good while.

My next thing is the number 22 which seems to represent great disorder and chaos and again the link is herehttps://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/22.html Also remember how Jesus said on the mount of olives how the generation will see all these things come to pass? what is a generation according to scripture? the bible says it is 70 years or by reason of strength 80 years, now pay attention to Israel and how it became a nation again in 1948 now lets add 80 years to that and what is it? 2028 what is 7 minus that? 2021 why does God begin the great tribulation to begin with? the great rebellion and sin of man.
This is only a little of my studies but I just felt God telling me to make this thread how it is recieved is in his hands
Also for those who have been worried I have not been online much I was put into an institute by family for the mentally disabled which I don't belong in but have nowhere to go and the internet here is very finicky plus I have been working a lot as well but God has been with me and speaking to me so I figure he must have me here for a reason
I think the Biblical calendar is more enlightening and there is a different name for 2021 in the Bible and it is very significant.

The best exposition on why the rapture must take place this year (prior to Rosh Hashanah) is done by Dr. Barry Awe. I link his videos in my blog.
 

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This is a foggy question. We have 3 calendars that are relevant -- Gregorian, Bible, and Enoch. All three calendars were made under the sovereignty of the Lord, but the one that is relevant to this question is the Bible, that is your "prophetic calendar" for God's people. Enoch calendar is prophetic for the angels.

So I agree and disagree with you here. Yes, the tribulation will begin this year if we are talking about the Gregorian calendar but not if we are referring to the Biblical calendar.



I think the Biblical calendar is more enlightening and there is a different name for 2021 in the Bible and it is very significant.

The best exposition on why the rapture must take place this year (prior to Rosh Hashanah) is done by Dr. Barry Awe. I link his videos in my blog.
Barry Awe has quoted a few dates and got them all wrong. He has lost all credibility.
 

ZNP

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Barry Awe has quoted a few dates and got them all wrong. He has lost all credibility.
Thank you for this! I love it! Isn't it incredible that Thomas Edison can say "I didn't fail 100 times I just discovered 100 things that don't work". Science is all about testing hypothesis. Has everyone forgotten how we first dug into other truths of the Bible like justification by faith, new life, the oneness of the church, etc.

In my opinion anyone who watches one of these last videos by Dr. Barry Awe for the entire 1-2 hours will be impressed with all of his verse references and the work that he has done. I disagree with some of the things he says and I have have told him in the comments. But I appreciate that he has explained how you calculate the date using the Bible's calendar and I appreciate his exposition on Daniel and I also think he does a great job of making a case for the rapture taking place this year prior to Rosh Hashanah.
 

Ruby123

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Thank you for this! I love it! Isn't it incredible that Thomas Edison can say "I didn't fail 100 times I just discovered 100 things that don't work". Science is all about testing hypothesis. Has everyone forgotten how we first dug into other truths of the Bible like justification by faith, new life, the oneness of the church, etc.

In my opinion anyone who watches one of these last videos by Dr. Barry Awe for the entire 1-2 hours will be impressed with all of his verse references and the work that he has done. I disagree with some of the things he says and I have have told him in the comments. But I appreciate that he has explained how you calculate the date using the Bible's calendar and I appreciate his exposition on Daniel and I also think he does a great job of making a case for the rapture taking place this year prior to Rosh Hashanah.
Dont get me wrong, I wish the guy was right. I am looking forward to a place where there is no more pain, problems, tears etc and to be with the Lord and to see my mum again would be totally AWESOME!!!!!!!

When something comes from God, there is no wrong in it. It is not a matter of practising things. It is either right and from God or wrong and from your flesh. We have enough of these people on you tube as is.
 

ZNP

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When something comes from God, there is no wrong in it. It is not a matter of practising things. It is either right and from God or wrong and from your flesh. We have enough of these people on you tube as is.
Oh well, I guess that rules me out. If you are right about believers never making a mistake then the Lord Jesus is going to be awfully lonely for eternity.
 

Ruby123

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There was only one who was perfect. Thank God we have been made righteous because of Jesus.
What I dont like are people who make you tube videos claiming that that God said this or that and give these dates only to be wrong. Then they make a video with new dates, only to be wrong again. They are playing with peoples emotions and that is what I find wrong.