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miknik5

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A question, how were those who were under the Law, before CHRiST had come, redeemed?
 

miknik5

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116 days 18 hours is one earth day right now on Venus....can anyone prove by the text of Genesis that an evening and morning = one 24 hour period?

Once God stopped the rotation of the earth (Joshua)

Once God reversed the rotation of the earth (Isaiah)

Point being....NO one can prove one 24 hour period per creation day in Genesis by the text alone and an evening and a morning COULD HAVE BEEN 24 hours or 10 million (earth years now) and still be ONE EVENING AND ONE MORNING

Just saying.....to make a fair point!
12 hours, just as CHRIST said...is considered a day...
 
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A question, how were those who were under the Law, before CHRiST had come, redeemed?
By faith in the coming messiah as evidenced by the entire O.T...<--search the scriptures, for they are they WHICH TESTIFY OF ME....

Genesis 3:15, Abel (sacrificed lamb<-blood), Passover, Scape goat, offerings, serpent lifted in the wilderness, anf on and on and on... David speaks of his salvation in the PRESENT TENSE, JOB KNEW OF AND understood the Resurrection and the he would stand in a glorified body etc.....The entire O.T. pointed to Christ in pictures, types and shadows....
 

miknik5

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By faith in the coming messiah as evidenced by the entire O.T...<--search the scriptures, for they are they WHICH TESTIFY OF ME....

Genesis 3:15, Abel (sacrificed lamb<-blood), Passover, Scape goat, offerings, serpent lifted in the wilderness, anf on and on and on... David speaks of his salvation in the PRESENT TENSE, JOB KNEW OF AND understood the Resurrection and the he would stand in a glorified body etc.....The entire O.T. pointed to Christ in pictures, types and shadows....
I am waiting for a response from Eternally Grateful.
Thank you
 

miknik5

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Another question, Eternally Grateful...why did GOD turn the whole world over to disobedience?
 
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I didn't just say this, I studied it in depth brother. Google "How does the moon affect the earth? Institutes of Physics" and you will see an article that says not much would change TO START WITH...........but after 26,000 years the earth would eventually begin to WOBBLE in a very erratic manner and we would lose our seasons,, well, of course, that means that without the original CLASH of the earth and moon and thus the moon becoming our STALIZIG SATELLITE the earth would be uninhabitable to humans right now.

Turbulent future
So, wiping out the Moon would certainly have some good, bad and ugly consequences straight away, but hardly apocalyptic. The biggest impact would take time to manifest: destabilising the Earth’s rotation. Today, Earth’s axis is tilted at 23.4° with respect to our orbit around the Sun. But there is a slight wobble in this spin cycle. The wobble is like the one you see with a spinning top, slowly making the tip trace a circle as the toy spins rapidly around. For the Earth, it’s a rather slow wobble, taking around 26,000 years to go full circle. It’s also quite gentle, moving the Earth’s axis by just 2.4 degrees. But without the Moon to stabilise it, this wobble would become erratic and extreme.

Sometimes, the Earth’s axis would point straight up and down at right angles to the Earth’s orbit of the Sun. In this scenario, seasons would be a thing of the past, and night and day would be equally long all year round. At other times, the Earth would tilt all the way over and lie on its side in relation to its orbit around the Sun. This would mean the poles would be burning hot and the equator freezing cold.

In effect, removing the Moon would spell extreme climate change. There would be huge differences between temperatures and daylight throughout the year, and ice ages would hit different parts of the world every few thousand years. Lucky for us then that the Moon is going nowhere any time soon.

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I told you, I did my research before I wrote the blog above, as I always do.

Now, go to YOUTUBE and type in "What if we lost the Moon?" And you can watch 400 plus mile an hour winds etc. etc. it shows what would happen.

As I stated, there would be NO SEASONS, and thus that is what Day 4 brought us, a STABELIZZING SATELLITE in the moon. Amen.
From what I’ve read it was in 1993 a French astronomer Jacques Laskar who theorized that notion using old computer algorithms. in 2011 a newer model shows it wouldn’t be such a major impact on climate.

not saying it wouldn’t but not at the prior calculations and I will add it is all just calculations and theory’s no one really knows what would happen if the moon drifted away out of orbit around the earth.

the moon is drifting away from earth each year at a rate of 4 centimeters but that isn’t much for anyone today to have a impact on.
 

Dino246

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They were the same size and the earth thus captured most of the debris/mass and the moon became diminished. And no, a glancing blow would not have destroyed both.

God is after ll in charge.
Speculation without evidence. Such a "glancing blow" would have to be the miracle of all physics. No, that didn't happen. God created the moon as it says in Genesis 1. There isn't any time in biblical history when such an event could have taken place.
 
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116 days 18 hours is one earth day right now on Venus....can anyone prove by the text of Genesis that an evening and morning = one 24 hour period?

Once God stopped the rotation of the earth (Joshua)

Once God reversed the rotation of the earth (Isaiah)

Point being....NO one can prove one 24 hour period per creation day in Genesis by the text alone and an evening and a morning COULD HAVE BEEN 24 hours or 10 million (earth years now) and still be ONE EVENING AND ONE MORNING

Just saying.....to make a fair point!
Good point each planet in the solar system has its own day length,
 

Rondonmon

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From what I’ve read it was in 1993 a French astronomer Jacques Laskar who theorized that notion using old computer algorithms. in 2011 a newer model shows it wouldn’t be such a major impact on climate.

not saying it wouldn’t but not at the prior calculations and I will add it is all just calculations and theory’s no one really knows what would happen if the moon drifted away out of orbit around the earth.

the moon is drifting away from earth each year at a rate of 4 centimeters but that isn’t much for anyone today to have a impact on.
Well, it won't have an impact for 26,000 years, BUT, the stabilization would have never been there to start with, so we can't say losing it would not have an impact immediately when we are talking about how God used it to bring us our seasons. Think of a spinning top, it only starts wobbling later on, not when we first spin it. If we magically took away the moon it would take a long time for the wobble to have an effect, of course, but without the Satellite/moon, we never would have had the Seasons the way we do know. On Day four God SET the Seasons by placing the moon as our Satellite.

It's a fact brother. That is what the Gen. day four means. God set the Seasons.

Gen. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Greater light is the SUN.......The Lesser light is the MOON that reflects the sun. With a wobbling earth, there would be NO SEASONS.

I think most people just don't think it through, then they allow atheists to try to make out like the bible is for dummies because we have the Sun being CREATED after the Earth which is not possible, of course. So when I show the Atheists my blog they low a gasket of course........LOL.
 

Rondonmon

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Speculation without evidence. Such a "glancing blow" would have to be the miracle of all physics. No, that didn't happen. God created the moon as it says in Genesis 1. There isn't any time in biblical history when such an event could have taken place.
Facts........the only speculation I see is by YEC.
 
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Well, it won't have an impact for 26,000 years, BUT, the stabilization would have never been there to start with, so we can't say losing it would not have an impact immediately when we are talking about how God used it to bring us our seasons. Think of a spinning top, it only starts wobbling later on, not when we first spin it. If we magically took away the moon it would take a long time for the wobble to have an effect, of course, but without the Satellite/moon, we never would have had the Seasons the way we do know. On Day four God SET the Seasons by placing the moon as our Satellite.

It's a fact brother. That is what the Gen. day four means. God set the Seasons.

Gen. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Greater light is the SUN.......The Lesser light is the MOON that reflects the sun. With a wobbling earth, there would be NO SEASONS.

I think most people just don't think it through, then they allow atheists to try to make out like the bible is for dummies because we have the Sun being CREATED after the Earth which is not possible, of course. So when I show the Atheists my blog they low a gasket of course........LOL.
the seasons would still happen but areas of earth that had never had snow would get snow and areas that are cold would see hot climate.

The Milky Way Galaxy was formed before earth or the solar system star/sun, which has all kinds of lights that shine on earth as well not enough for photosynthesis yet enough to shine on.

Well the lesser light I don’t believe is the moon but the core buried under the crust of earth.
 

Dino246

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Facts........the only speculation I see is by YEC.
That's quite thoroughly laughable. Your moon-earth collision is nothing but speculation. Calling it "fact" is self-delusion.

When you want to get back to discussing actual historical events, let me know.
 
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A question, how were those who were under the Law, before CHRiST had come, redeemed?
Redemption was always through sacrifice. The Israelites had to sacrifice the lamb and Jesus was our Lamb. The process is still the same. Blood had to flow for redemption.

We were always saved through faith (Hebrews 11).
 
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Another question, why did GOD turn the whole world over to disobedience?
He didn't. If man is without God we will be disobedient. We have a sinful nature and that is it. God cannot be blamed for our sin/disobedience.
 
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116 days 18 hours is one earth day right now on Venus....can anyone prove by the text of Genesis that an evening and morning = one 24 hour period?

Once God stopped the rotation of the earth (Joshua)

Once God reversed the rotation of the earth (Isaiah)

Point being....NO one can prove one 24 hour period per creation day in Genesis by the text alone and an evening and a morning COULD HAVE BEEN 24 hours or 10 million (earth years now) and still be ONE EVENING AND ONE MORNING

Just saying.....to make a fair point!

This is why we look at the Hebrew, because in Hebrew the picture would have been different for thousands of years vs a one day period.
 
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I understand what you are saying...you are referring to OT saints and referring to paradise as where these were and somehow separate from those who were in prison
Why were the people in prison?

and when I said i do not think you understand, it goes much deeper than this