Creflo Dollar.

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Scotth1960

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Friends, More on Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff:

"Creflo Dollar
"Because you came from God you are gods -- you're not just human." -- CREFLO DOLLAR
"Another Word of Faith televangelist who is the very embodiment of bad theology is Dr. Creflo A. Dollar, founder and pastor of World Changers Church International (WCCI). Despite heresy that strikes at the very core of Christianity, he has been awarded an honorary doctor of divinity from Oral Roberts University. Lest one think that the word heresy is a bit much, consider the fact that Dollar not only denies the deity of Christ, but also denigrates pstors who proclaim that Christ is fully God as "fantasy preachers." He further chides followers for falling for such fantasies:
And somebody said, well, Jesus came as God! Well, how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps nor slumbers? And yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus alseep in the back of the boat. Please listen to me. Please listen to me. This ain't no heresy. I'm not some false prophet. I'm just reading this thing out of the Bible. I'm just telling you, all these fantasy preachers have been preaching all of this stuff for all of these years and we bought the package!"
"And this is not an isolated incident. Dollar has gone so far as to say that because Jesus got tired, He could not have been God. As rationale for this deviation from essential Christian doctrine, Dollar simply says, "If he [Jesus] came as God and he got tired -- he says he sat down by the well because he was tired -- boy, we're in trouble." Moreover, "If Jesus came as God, then why did God have to anoint him?" He answers is own question, saying, "Jesus came as a man, that's why it was legal to anoint him -- God doesn't need anointing. He is anointed. Jesus came as a man, and at age thirty God is now getting ready to demonstrate to us and give us an example of what a man with the anointing can do."
"Dollar's departure from orthodoxy cuts to the heart of Christ's passion on the cross. While it is true to say that Christ set aside the prerogative for independently using His divine attributes when He took on the limitations of humanity -- it is false to say that Christ was divested of a single attribute of deity. Indeed, the historic Christian church has consistently maintained that in the Incarnation, Christ was undiminished deity! If Christ was not fully God, His passion on the cross would have been insufficient to atone for sin. As man, Christ is our representative -- the Second Adam; as God, His death was sufficient to provide redemption for the sins of the world. To suggest, as Dollar does, that those who teach that "Jesus came as God" are fantasy preachers is to say that a whole host of credible pastors from Charles Spurgeon to Charles Stanley have missed the answer to Christ's most basic question - namely, "Who do you say that I am?"
"Not only does Dollar demote Christ, but he also deifies Christians. On one occasion he went so far as to pour water from a bottle into a glass as evidence for his contention that "the same stuff that God is, man is." Says Dollars, "Notice the substance didn't change just because it was moved from one vessel to the other. Listen to what I am saying. When God poured of himself into man, the stuff that man came from didn't change."
[pages 48-49. Hanegraaff, Hank. (2009). Christianity In Crisis: 21st Century. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.].

God save us all from all of our sins, and from believing in or saying heresies. May God have mercy upon us sinners. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 
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DanuckInUSA

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Cut and paste post? What are you getting at?
 
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Scotth1960

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Cut and paste post? What are you getting at?
Dear DanuckInUSA, Read Hank Hanegraaff's books if you want the truth about what SOME of today's Protestant Evangelical TV preachers are preaching on "Christian" TV. These men are not saying anything like Billy Graham would say. Graham is an honest man of God. Nobody's perfect, but he is honest. Anyway, see: HANEGRAAFF, HANK. (1993). CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS. EUGENE, OR: HARVEST HOUSE PUBLISHERS. see: HANEGRAAFF, HANK. (2009). CHRISTIANITY IN CRISIS: 21ST CENTURY. NASHVILLE, TN: THOMAS NELSON. Go to your local college library, I SUGGEST, and get an ILL (INTER-LIBRARY LOAN). These books could be read at little of no cost. I get my books free because I work at a local college here in Erie PA. But maybe you can get these books on LOAN for a couple of bucks. If you want to know WHY WE SHOULD NOT BE WATCHING MANY OF THE TV PREACHERS, THESE BOOKS SHOW WHY. IN ERIE PA SCOTT R. HARRINGTON
 
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DanuckInUSA

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I am looking for your opinion on the matter. I am not looking for a reading list. What is the point you are trying to convey in your cut and post thread?
 
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Scotth1960

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I am looking for your opinion on the matter. I am not looking for a reading list. What is the point you are trying to convey in your cut and post thread?
MY POINT. MOST OF EVANGELISM ON TELEVISION IS NONSENSE, NON BIBLICAL, AND SOME OF IT IS NOT EVEN "MERELY CHRISTIAN" (TO QUOTE APOLOGIST C.S. LEWIS). IT IS A BIG WASTE OF TIME FOR THOSE WHO ARE AT HOME ON SUNDAY MORNING. It is better to hear a local preacher at a local church that one can go to, than to watch "church" (sic) on TV. Any "church" that doesn't preach Christ in all the Scriptures should not be attended. If they preach any serious heresy, we are to shake the dust off of our shoes and leave that poor excuse for a church. Don't get me wrong. I am a sinner, too. But even sinners can discern when they are being lied to by so-called preachers. If they don't misinterpret the Bible, support that church. if they don't follow the Word of God, it is best to leave them behind. We don't want to be led astray by false preachers. Even as I will be held accountable for what I say, and for what I contend that is the truth. If anything I say is false, may God correct me and show me where I have gone astray. God forgive me of my sins. I have sinned many times. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
 
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Sinnner

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I think we should beware of anyone judging others constantly. I think it is even more alarming if the person goes so far as to write a book that is judging others. What's the book called, "Watch Me Commit Sin as I Judge Others"? Are you serious? Do you think all of us are helpless and incapable of figuring out weather or not someone is in error?
 
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I believe for the most part that a lot of television evangelists are wrong in their theology,and could be deceiving on purpose,or are wrong because they are not truly called of God to preach,and not led of the Spirit.

Benny Hinn on March 29,2000 began predicting that Jesus would appear physically on his crusades.

He said the Lord spoke to him audibly that he would appear physically on the platforms in his meetings,which would be in Nairobi,Kenya.

What is strange is 2 weeks prior to that,New Age guru Benjamin Creme predicted that the second coming of Christ had taken place in Nairobi,Kenya,in which Benjamin Creme said Maitreya,the fifth and final incarnation of Buddha,had materialized.

So is Benny Hinn believing New Ager Benjamin Creme,that Christ appeared in Nairobi,Kenya,and is trying to capitalize on that by saying Jesus will appear on stage with him,when God gives us a warning of the New Age religion,who give heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils,and Maitreya,Buddha,has nothing to do with Jesus,and why would Benny Hinn give heed to Benjamin Creme that God warned us do avoid that new christianity,or did the same seducing spirit that told Benjamin Creme that the second coming of Christ would be in Nairobi,Kenya,tell Benny Hinn.

There are wild stories that some television evangelists spout out,like Jesse Duplantis,and are they not called by God to preach,so they are off,or are they actually deceived by seducing spirits who use television evangelists to reach out to people for they can reach many,which their doctrines will change through the years to serious heresy.

If you look at a lot of television evangelists,they love money,are involved in sexual sins,and other crimes,and have some wild stories to tell,and have failed prophesies.
 

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I do believe that Christ is the son of God who lived and died and lived again to atone for my sins, but I do not believe in the "trinity," so I'm more inclined to agree with Creflo Dollar's theology than yours, Scotth1960. And I may be in the minority, but there are many other Christians who believe the way I do. The argument that Jesus had to be God or his sacrifice wouldn't have mattered is unfounded in Scripture. Jesus lived a sinless life, completely devoted to his Father, so his sacrifice was perfectly adequate.

Whether or not Creflo is anointed, I can't say. I only heard him preach one time and it was a very good sermon about man having authority over the earth, but Satan possessing it because we have not taken authority over our own property. It was really very provoking and Bible-based.

Good luck on trying to save the world from false evangelists. I get just as salty about untruth as you do. Unfortunately, we have different (but still Bible-based) ideas about what is untrue. I guess we'll just have to wait for "that day" to find out all these God-mysteries.
 
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garcie123

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wow, this is exciting information about the truth and what we as christians need to pray about as far as not being decieved. thanks for sharing , I am new to chat rooms and hope I can fit in somewhere meaningful.jeanette in portland oregon
 
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Graybeard

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so what say ye about Perry Stone??
 
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cows_chewing_grass

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for me I think the bigger problem with creflo's theology about the trinity doctrine is simply that is distracts away from the stuff that Jesus actually did tell us to do.

There are verses that talk about Jesus and the father being one and there are verses which indicate that they are two separate entities. Can we just be satisfied that there are some things about God that we can't understand, like how he could be three and one at the same time?

Do we really need to nut out God's existence like that? Can't we give him some privacy? lol

Anyway, my point is that you will not find anywhere in the gospels Jesus commanding us to believe one way or the other about the "trinity" (I think the word doesn't even appear in the bible).

While people argue about that stuff, what about these commands of Jesus? Stuff that he very clearly told us to do? Why don't these get as much attention as the trinity stuff?

The Top Forty 1. Obey my commandments - John 14:15 , John 14:21 , John 14:23 ; 2 John 6

2. Love God and others - John 15:12 , Matthew 22:37-40

3. Go and preach to all the world - Mark 16:15 , Matthew 28:19

4. Don't delay, do it now - John 4:35 , John 9:4 , John 12:35

5. Take nothing for your journey - Luke 9:3 , Luke 10:4

6. Don't work for food - John 6:27 , Matthew 6:24-33 , Luke 12:29

7. Work for me & my kingdom - Matthew 11:28-30 , Luke 12:31

8. Sell all that you own - Luke 11:41 , Luke 12:33 , Luke 18:22

9. Don't store things that you're not using - Matthew 6:19

10. Don't charge for what you do - Matthew 10:8

11. Give to God what belongs to God - Luke 20:25 , Matthew 22:21

12. Don't waste time on argumentative people - Matthew 7:6

13. Invite the poor to eat with you - Luke 14:12-14

14. Give to anyone who asks - Luke 6:30 , Mark 6:37

15. If you pray, fast, or give, do it secretly - Matthew 6:1-11

16. Don't use vain repetitions when praying - Matthew 6:7

17. Don't advertise healings - Matthew 9:30 , Matthew 12:16

18. Take the lowest position in meetings - Luke 14:8-10

19. Don't be called Father, Mister, etc. - Matthew 23:9-10

20. Beware of hypocrisy and greed - Luke 12:1 , 15

21. Take up your cross and follow me - Mark 8:34

22. Live in me, and live in my love - John 15:4 , 9

23. Eat whatever people give you - Luke 10:7

24. Rejoice when you are persecuted - Luke 6:23

25. Move to another city if persecuted - Matthew 10:23

26. Love, bless, and pray for your enemies - Luke 6:27-29

27. Do to others as you'd have them do to you - Luke 6:31

28. Be agreeable with your adversaries - Luke 12:58 , Matthew 5:25

29. Forgive others - Mark 11:25-26 , Matthew 6:12 , Luke 6:37

30. Cut off your hand if it offends you - Mark 9:43

31. Don't be afraid of people - Luke 12:4-5

32. Let the dead bury the dead - Matthew 8:22

33. Rebuke a brother if he sins - Luke 17:3 , Matthew 18:15-17

34. When you judge, do it fairly - John 7:24

35. You must be born again- John 3:3 , Luke 18:17 , Mark 10:15

36. Don't make promises for any reason - Matthew 5:34-37

37. Don't sell things in God's house - John 2:16

38. Don't forbid others to preach Christ - Luke 9:50

39. Teach all nations to obey these rules - Matthew 28:20

40. When you have done all these things, say, "We have only done that which was our duty to do." - Luke 17:10
 
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twinkles

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im not gona bother reading any comments or anything-all im going to say is God bless you all...dont spend your days on finding fault with others but spend every living minute rectifying your own flaws...

wow, its amazing how the enemy is deceiving us, these threads that we write, comment on are all based on judging what who is doing and how they doing it etc...

God show us your way, let us not look at others but rather at our own flaws. You might say, but they pastors and what-not; i wana say you are you, you are here to exhalt him and not point fingers!!

Who made any of us, the judge?last time i checked-God was the only judge!! let people be and just pray for your OWN salvation!!

God bless
 
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Amen Twinkles! I think there are a lot of deceivers out there, but I only want to focus on Jesus! He's the only one worthy to fill our time with.


im not gona bother reading any comments or anything-all im going to say is God bless you all...dont spend your days on finding fault with others but spend every living minute rectifying your own flaws...

wow, its amazing how the enemy is deceiving us, these threads that we write, comment on are all based on judging what who is doing and how they doing it etc...

God show us your way, let us not look at others but rather at our own flaws. You might say, but they pastors and what-not; i wana say you are you, you are here to exhalt him and not point fingers!!

Who made any of us, the judge?last time i checked-God was the only judge!! let people be and just pray for your OWN salvation!!

God bless
 
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NoahsMom

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What's the book called, "Watch Me Commit Sin as I Judge Others"? Are you serious? Do you think all of us are helpless and incapable of figuring out weather or not someone is in error? SPOT ON ! Amen.
 
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Scotth1960

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I think we should beware of anyone judging others constantly. I think it is even more alarming if the person goes so far as to write a book that is judging others. What's the book called, "Watch Me Commit Sin as I Judge Others"? Are you serious? Do you think all of us are helpless and incapable of figuring out weather or not someone is in error?
Dear friend, Disagreeing with false teaching is not judging another person who teaches false things. Can't you understand the difference? Do we have to agree with everyone on everything, regardless of what they teach? Is that fair and just? If a person teaches error, someone should point that out. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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Seriously who has the last name Dollar
 
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NoahsMom

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Seriously who has the last name Dollar
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you just made me laugh.....
 
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Trilogic

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Always knew there was something strange about his teachings. I hope he wakes up to the error and realize that this type of unfounded truths are a huge reason why the world is so turned off.
 
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cows_chewing_grass

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What's the book called, "Watch Me Commit Sin as I Judge Others"? Are you serious? Do you think all of us are helpless and incapable of figuring out weather or not someone is in error?
sorry, noahsmom, but I actually didn't quite understand this comment from sinner. What did you think was spot on about it?

It sounds like annoyance because someone is judging, but then finishes up by explaining that the reason for the annoyance is because we are able to do the judging ourselves just fine (i.e. without needing the help of others to do it for us).

I think the issue for me is not so much judgment, but fair judgment. Other wise even criticizing someone for making a judgment is in itself a judgment, right? ( I can't be the first person to have said that here!)
 
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Sinnner

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sorry, noahsmom, but I actually didn't quite understand this comment from sinner. What did you think was spot on about it?

It sounds like annoyance because someone is judging, but then finishes up by explaining that the reason for the annoyance is because we are able to do the judging ourselves just fine (i.e. without needing the help of others to do it for us).

I think the issue for me is not so much judgment, but fair judgment. Other wise even criticizing someone for making a judgment is in itself a judgment, right? ( I can't be the first person to have said that here!)
I was trying to convey the fact that if I am watching a message on tv or listening to one some where I don't need to read some book to figure out weather or not what was being said was true or false. Who needs a book that is just trashing people? I do need the bible tho, not just some book.