Creflo Dollar's Jet

[iwant2serve]

Well I was going to pass on this one but decided not to. Many people talk about TV Ministers liek they are the devil themselves and how they steal money to furnish their lifestyles. I wonder how many have been to their churches and sat in their ministries, how many know what they do in the communities and around the world in their ministries, how many get all their news from youtube on their ministries?
As for them haveing so much and not giving to the poor, how many give to the poor out of every paycheck, take food from their homes and feed the homeless, give clothes the naked, pay for someones medication who is not a family member or just go visit a widow to giver her company.
See we can do a lot of finger pointing and call someome false and fake but are we real with our lifestyles? Something to think about before we go blabbing off about someone else just because they have a lot more than we do.
BTW Jesus chose disciples to go with him that owned homes, boats, and businesses.

 

[Tankman131]

Well I was going to pass on this one but decided not to. Many people talk about TV Ministers liek they are the devil themselves and how they steal money to furnish their lifestyles. I wonder how many have been to their churches and sat in their ministries, how many know what they do in the communities and around the world in their ministries, how many get all their news from youtube on their ministries?
As for them haveing so much and not giving to the poor, how many give to the poor out of every paycheck, take food from their homes and feed the homeless, give clothes the naked, pay for someones medication who is not a family member or just go visit a widow to giver her company.
See we can do a lot of finger pointing and call someome false and fake but are we real with our lifestyles? Something to think about before we go blabbing off about someone else just because they have a lot more than we do.
BTW Jesus chose disciples to go with him that owned homes, boats, and businesses.

Talk about putting on the blinders and ignoring false doctrine. *facepalm* Its like all WOF people have been indoctrinated to say the same non-arguments or something.

 

[JesusIsAll]

JesusIsAll, In answer to your question about looking at other Christians... To be quite clear about this, I have been making it a practice not to be looking at other Christians. Instead the Bible says to keep looking at Jesus. The Bible tells us to stop comparing ourselves amoung ourselves because that is foolish.

There isn't an iota of this about me. I would neither change an iota of my life and faith with an iota of any aspect of the obscene lives of conspicuous consumption of these charlatans. They have nothing I want or desire, would flee the notion of being in any of their shoes, the very idea horrific. I am very content, have all I need, and compare myself? I have no way of comparing myself with an exploitative merchandiser of the gospel, no frame of reference to such a degenerate mentality, with no fear of God, who would do what they do. This is about evil. This is about carnality. This is about false gospels, lies. This is about wolves in sheep's clothing. This about rebuke of that which brings dishonor to the Christian faith, the false gospels that will damn the gullible, about cosmic criminal behavior.

That's a very nice little dissertation to try to claim we should simply look the other way, somehow cease to discern wolves in the body of Christ, and shutup, in essence, but you don't seem to understand that I'm not an apologist for evil and evil doers, masquerading as the servants of God. If they were running a circus, you'd not hear a peep from me, but they're not. Apologies for these evil doers is your job, but I have my job, to. I see what I see, as others also do, just what and who are foolish. Maybe you can go make your own thread, in praise of Bentleys, Olympic size swimming pools, and lying gospels of Laodicea for Jesus or whatever? Fair enough?

 

[JesusIsAll]

http://youtu.be/C4m3man__g8

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Always wanted to build my own deity, too!

 

[Word_Swordsman]

There isn't an iota of this about me. I would neither change an iota of my life and faith with an iota of any aspect of the obscene lives of conspicuous consumption of these charlatans. They have nothing I want or desire, would flee the notion of being in any of their shoes, the very idea horrific. I am very content, have all I need, and compare myself? I have no way of comparing myself with an exploitative merchandiser of the gospel, no frame of reference to such a degenerate mentality, with no fear of God, who would do what they do. This is about evil. This is about carnality. This is about false gospels, lies. This is about wolves in sheep's clothing. This about rebuke of that which brings dishonor to the Christian faith, the false gospels that will damn the gullible, about cosmic criminal behavior.

That's a very nice little dissertation to try to claim we should simply look the other way, somehow cease to discern wolves in the body of Christ, and shutup, in essence, but you don't seem to understand that I'm not an apologist for evil and evil doers, masquerading as the servants of God. If they were running a circus, you'd not hear a peep from me, but they're not. Apologies for these evil doers is your job, but I have my job, to. I see what I see, as others also do, just what and who are foolish. Maybe you can go make your own thread, in praise of Bentleys, Olympic size swimming pools, and lying gospels of Laodicea for Jesus or whatever? Fair enough?

Where does scripture say in some manner "only keep looking at Jesus"? Where does scripture negate Paul's
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. [SUP]16 [/SUP] Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 1 Corinthians 4:15-16 (KJV)

or [SUP]1 [/SUP] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1 (KJV)

It's obvious there's no value in following people who condemn the out-front successful leaders of today's Church in action. I am noticing that those who condemn WOF and any other "brand" of full gospel believers are not much ado about anything notable. I don't see crowds pressing in like those wanting to touch Jesus, the original WOF/full gospel preacher, or Peter, or Paul, or Smith Wigglesworth, or Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland, Keith Moore, on and on into a few hundreds of soul winners.

We are witnessing here the usual attack against the gospel and ministers of God. In Jesus' day they came to him with stones in their hands. It's no different today, as promised by Jesus, because they hated him.

The wolves are the ones trying to condemn ministers of God here in this thread. The wolves seek to strip hope from the needy who want to know how to be delivered from their troubles, while doubtless not bothering to join to any Church congregation. I've witnessed many full gospel, prospering churches, all in sync with their pastors and programs, multiplied thousands in those congregations enjoying the fruit of faith and realizing the fullness of their salvation. The scoffers wait with signs at the edge of parking lots, throwing their "stones". Inside stand redeemed drug dealers and street thugs seeking all they can find in Jesus, with ministers speaking their tongue, reaching the formerly "unreachable". That's where I like to invest resources.

Let the fools of earth denounce prosperity (blessings of God) and taste fully of their own misery. When they come to be fed, we will feed them.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

John 9.24-34
[SUP]24 [/SUP]So a second time they called the man who had been blind, and said to him, “Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]He then answered, “Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]So they said to him, “What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes?” [SUP]27 [/SUP]He answered them, “I told you already and you did not listen; why do you want to hear it again? You do not want to become His disciples too, do you?” [SUP]28 [/SUP]They reviled him and said, “You are His disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. [SUP]29 [/SUP]We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where He is from.” [SUP]30 [/SUP]The man answered and said to them, “Well, here is an amazing thing, that you do not know where He is from, and yet He opened my eyes. [SUP]31 [/SUP]We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him. [SUP]32 [/SUP][SUP][d][/SUP]Since the beginning of time it has never been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a person born blind. [SUP]33 [/SUP]If this man were not from God, He could do nothing.” [SUP]34 [/SUP]They answered him, “You were born entirely in sins, and are you teaching us?” So they put him out.

I wonder who will see the similarities of this passage and this thread.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Let the fools of earth denounce prosperity (blessings of God) and taste fully of their own misery. When they come to be fed, we will feed them.

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[Word_Swordsman]

Isn't it time Credo Dollar's jet landed and was put in the hangar? LOL

The old worn out jet does need to be replaced. Creflo is going around the world more than Kerry or Hillary, like many other true gospel preachers, taking Jesus to all. Why not send a check for a pound of new jet? God will bless you for actually taking his great commandment to heart.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

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You might be revealing the food of your heart, and the fruit of it. The word of God is not anything like manufactured meat. It is truth.

 

[Tankman131]

Fighting for the Faith: Interview With the Televangelist, Brian Powers

Wow lol, the defenders of these wolves in sheeps clothing argue just the same as their idols

 

[Angela53510]

You might be revealing the food of your heart, and the fruit of it. The word of God is not anything like manufactured meat. It is truth.

I can agree totally that the Word of God is truth! It's just that these WoF false teachers are not teaching it! They are adding to the revelation of the Bible. They are taking away by ignoring verses on suffering, and developing character through suffering. They are fleecing the flock, stealing from the poor, then contributing a tiny bit back and expecting people to think they are doing something good for God.

The sad truth is, the WoF teachers do not know the whole counsel of God. They don't know the original languages. They don't know hermeneutic, or Bible interpretation. They are liars, cons and cheats.

And the really sad thing is, they blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying they are revealing or teaching under the "annointing" of the Spirit. And people are naive enough to believe them.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

Over and over the Bible warns us to beware of false teachers. It was a major issue for the early church, which is why the apostles wrote this over and over. In those days, most people did not have access to the Bible, maybe only part or fragments of certain books. But there is no excuse today. We not only have Bibles, but all the tools, commentaries and books to rightly discern the Word of God.

As long as you judge these conmen by the size of their congregations, and the amount of money being donated by people that probably cannot afford to give what they are giving, and not by the Word of God, you are going to be led astray. You justify over and over that the size of the congregations validates the WoF movement, instead of it standing up to scrutiny based on the Word of God.

I took a course in Seminary a few years ago. One woman was there for her first class. She testified that they had gotten sucked into the WoF movement and that when a certain preacher started guilting the crowd for money they felt "led" to donate $50,000, their entire savings. She admitted that the appeal was the preacher said this "seed money" would be returned 100 fold.

Well, they got nothing back in return, and they left the WoF churches and she and her husband were coming to a Baptist seminary to learn what God really says in his Word about money, health, etc. I admire her honesty in admitting what a terrible mistake they had made in believing the lies of the WoF false preacher.

I pray that one day, God will enlighten the minds of those who are so deeply caught in this idolatrous and false cult.

 

[Tankman131]

Just like In matthew 24:4-5
And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [c]Christ,’ and will mislead many.
There are many psuedochristos and this thread is full of the decieved

 

[JesusIsAll]

I can agree totally that the Word of God is truth! It's just that these WoF false teachers are not teaching it! They are adding to the revelation of the Bible. They are taking away by ignoring verses on suffering, and developing character through suffering. They are fleecing the flock, stealing from the poor, then contributing a tiny bit back and expecting people to think they are doing something good for God.

The sad truth is, the WoF teachers do not know the whole counsel of God. They don't know the original languages. They don't know hermeneutic, or Bible interpretation. They are liars, cons and cheats.

And the really sad thing is, they blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying they are revealing or teaching under the "annointing" of the Spirit. And people are naive enough to believe them.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

Over and over the Bible warns us to beware of false teachers. It was a major issue for the early church, which is why the apostles wrote this over and over. In those days, most people did not have access to the Bible, maybe only part or fragments of certain books. But there is no excuse today. We not only have Bibles, but all the tools, commentaries and books to rightly discern the Word of God.

As long as you judge these conmen by the size of their congregations, and the amount of money being donated by people that probably cannot afford to give what they are giving, and not by the Word of God, you are going to be led astray. You justify over and over that the size of the congregations validates the WoF movement, instead of it standing up to scrutiny based on the Word of God.

I took a course in Seminary a few years ago. One woman was there for her first class. She testified that they had gotten sucked into the WoF movement and that when a certain preacher started guilting the crowd for money they felt "led" to donate $50,000, their entire savings. She admitted that the appeal was the preacher said this "seed money" would be returned 100 fold.

Well, they got nothing back in return, and they left the WoF churches and she and her husband were coming to a Baptist seminary to learn what God really says in his Word about money, health, etc. I admire her honesty in admitting what a terrible mistake they had made in believing the lies of the WoF false preacher.

I pray that one day, God will enlighten the minds of those who are so deeply caught in this idolatrous and false cult.

The whole prosperity gospel, as well as a host of charlatans of a watered down gospel, may as well have their charters written into scripture, also, as well as the results of these deceptions, nothing ambiguous here of "I'm okay, you're okay, name it and claim it." You wouldn't want to be in those shoes!

Revelation 3:16-18 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

What gospel is it, that turns people into spit? The ministers of it are in the OP, to whit,

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It's all there, prophesied ages ago, but it takes eyes to see these truths that are clear, in no uncertain terms. Just this whole ethic of conspicuous, carnal consumption is completely counter-Christian, of the world, the flesh and the devil. This is not the true church or the true ministers of the New Testament, with their con man pitches not found in scripture. People are simply deceived.

 

[FancyNancy]

She cant even help but lie, criticize and name call in this thread let alone all others. She will say whatever it takes to defend her cult leaders *cough* i mean word of faith preachers

You are a mocker. You can't get past the haze of that to see the truth.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

This is a question for you, and everybody, and one I'd like to just bow out and see what people willing to answer this have to say.

When you look at any so-called Christians, living in obscenely conspicuous consumption, do you see anything wrong with this, and, if so, what? (Or just say you don't see anything wrong with it, then, all honest answers appreciated, whether agreeable, or not.)

It is widely believed the apostle Paul languished in a dungeon until taken out to be executed. That is false.

Have you ever visited Rome? The rent there is very exorbitant, whether you stay in a hotel or cottage. Paul spent his last two years there in a rented home, with a Roman guard, freely preaching the gospel, hosting religious leaders in that place. Even in those days we're talking serious expenses.
Acts 28:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

He also wrote of it in Philippians 1:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
and more in Philippians 4:21-22 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.


It takes money to put God's ambassadors in the right places at the right times. Notice the anti-prosperity ambassadors are not much on the world scene, not growing, but their numbers shrinking. Let the weak and powerless ministers struggle to do it their own way, while the true representatives of Christ flourish. They understand the heart of heavenly finances as introduced in Deuteronomy 8:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

The church doors close daily at the rate of 7,000 a year in America among those refusing to do things God's way. They are too timid about tithing, and obviously fall way short of common offerings. They fear asking for money to operate a ministry that needs money to minister to the needy, so they won't ask, themselves falling onto the needy list. So they don't receive from God. They will not find help from God until asking rightly. Those that do are prospering, often helping out those ministries that need to learn the word of God.

If the scoffers here spent their scoffing time helping ministries that are opposed to financial prosperity, maybe they could make a difference, ending up significantly supporting those anti-prosperity ministries?

That's an example of Churchill's "riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma".

 

[FancyNancy]

I seriously doubt that I sin by exposing scavengers and charlatans, "Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake". Titus 1:11

The only thing you expose is your fangs, snarling at people who actually do the works of Christ, making false and unlearned judgments about their hearts, when their excellent spiritual fruit is multiplying as we speak. Where's yours?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Just like In matthew 24:4-5
And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [c]Christ,’ and will mislead many.

It's neither rocket science that, if many will come, right there in scripture, if there are charlatans coming out of the woodwork in scripture, and scripture we know is 100% truth, just where could they be? Well, turn on your TV, for starters. Scripture says they will exist, in the many, the hucksters say they don't exist. Do we need to toss a coin who to believe?

 

[FancyNancy]

You sin against the god of creflo dollar, joyce meyer, and joel osteen when you do that; the dollar. By exposing their lies, you sin against their pocketbooks and thus against their god the dollar.

More insanely envious mockery. It's ugly, and it comes from an ugly source...not a godly source, clearly.

 

[Angela53510]

If you knew the word, you'd know that they do not misuse it. You have no clue about your charges against them. The send more relief and money and much other types of help to extremely needy areas of the world than you obviously know about.

Until your life bears the same level of fruit that theirs does, then you need to button it. You will be judged harshly by God for your unkind criticisms of people who have been led to where they are by their obedience to God.



Your denial of God's word is as obvious as a flashing neon sign.



God tells us in His word to keep being filled with the Holy Spirit!

Ephesians 5:!8
Stop getting drunk with wine, which leads to wild living, but keep on being filled with the Spirit.

It's not a one-time for all time thing. You are being non-scriptural, here, denying God's word and defying His truth about His anointing, and His gifting and His equipping and His promoting of people of HIS CHOOSING. Who do you think you are? Do you have a strong ministry where people are saved and discipled and trained in righteousness?

I have the entire word of God behind me, thanks.

Well, finally a Bible quote, but with a wrong assumption attached to it.

I find no Scriptural evidence for a "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" or second blessing. But of course, I believe in being filled daily, hourly and minute by minute by the Holy Spirit, who renews our mind and tranforms us. I am an annointed believer and a saint, because that is what the Bible says all those who are saved by God are. Your dichotomy of "annointed teacher" versus the rest of us, borders on creating a priesthood and hierarchy, which is as bad as the RCC.

"καὶ μὴ μεθύσκεσθε οἴνῳ, ἐν ᾧ ἐστιν ἀσωτία, ἀλλὰ πληροῦσθε ἐν πνεύματι," Eph. 5:18 Greek.

The indwelling Spirit of God is the one who should continually control and dominate the life of the believer. The word for "be filled" in Eph. 5:18 is πληροῦσθε or plarousthe and is in the present imperative passive. The idea of the word is "control." The present tense calls for a habitual and continuing action. The Passive could be the permissive passive "allow yourselves to be," which is supported by the command tense or imperative.

The problem with charismatics and especially Word Faithers, is that they do not realize that ALL believers, not just themselves, are filled and being filled with the Holy Spirit. A serious error, but understandable when you surround yourself only with other like minded believers.

I went to pentecostal/charismatic churches for 15 years after I was saved. I assumed they were the "right" churches. I finally left, not over doctrine, but because of the lies and unethical behaviours of the pastors in these churches. It took me 10 years to finally hear a Baptist preacher talking about being filled with the Holy Spirit as necessary to our Christian walk. And then to obey the call of God to go to Seminary to learn the Bible and how to do ministry.

Of course, I knew the Holy Spirit was working in and through me since the day I was saved. No "second blessing necessary!" But how nice to learn that non-charismatics/WoF people also believed in the Holy Spirit.

Such a bad Pneumatology most charismatics/Wofers have to think they have cornered the market on the Holy Spirit.

And yes, to answer your question. I have a had a very strong ministry in helping people come to know God and disciplining them. Discipleship is a calling God has laid on my heart. I write Bible studies, and teach them and help people grow closer to God. I do this in my chaplain ministry and in my home church. I try to live and follow Jesus as a demonstration to the world and believers that Jesus has done an amazing work in my heart and life.

As for your nasty rhetoric and accusations, I think you need to go back to God and ask him to take away your very angry and defensive spirit, which I have noticed many charismatics and WoFers have! Praying for God to reveal the truth of these false teachers to you, and others on this thread who have fallen for these false teachers.

 

[FancyNancy]

Amazing to see kool-aid drinkers like Nancy ignore the Bible and stick up for their false teacher idols.

I NEVER ignore the word. But you are, regularly, the way you speak ill of people, when you have clue zero about their walk with God. Judging in this way is a sin.

As for idols, I have none. See how falsely you assess people? That is a spirit that is working in you, and it isn't the Holy Spirit. If you have received Jesus Christ by faith, you need to stifle that voice that is using you.