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He didn't have anybody around to teach Him to name it and claim it. It's a good point. The Lord Jesus really healed, wasn't some faker. Think of the money he could have collected, doing a Benny Hinn hoedown? He told the woman at the well everything about her, without a Peter Popoff hidden earpiece and plant in the audience. Think of the wine cellar He could have had. Think of the whole New Testament, nobody naming and claiming it, nobody "sowing that seed" for ten to hundred fold returns. Paul making tents. They must have been such spiritual dullards!
Still don't understand why seed sowin' and name and claim guys like Creflo need money sent to them to get everything they need, down to paperclips. But, it's not ours to think about anything.
Still don't understand why seed sowin' and name and claim guys like Creflo need money sent to them to get everything they need, down to paperclips. But, it's not ours to think about anything.
WAS JESUS RICH?
There are many today who are teaching that Jesus was rich. Jesus and the disciples were rich, only rich people could take off for 3.5 years. (Fred Price, Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/23/90)
Frederick K.C. Price states: "The Bible says that He [Jesus] had a treasurer-a treasury (they called it "the bag"); that they had one man who was the treasurer, named Judas Iscariot; and the rascal was stealing out of the bag for three-and-a-half years and nobody knew that he was stealing. You know why? Because there was so much in it, He couldn't tell. Nobody could tell that anything was missing..., if Jesus didn't have anything, what do you need a treasury for? A treasury is for surplus. It's not for that which you're spending. It's only for surplus-to hold it until you need to spend it. Therefore, He must have had a whole lot that needed to be held in advance that He wasn't spending. So He must have had more than He was living on." ("Ever Increasing Faith" program on TBN [23 November 1990.)
Among those who teach Jesus and the apostles are rich are Oral Roberts, and Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Hagin. John Avanzini attacks and mocks theologians for teaching that Jesus was poor. "I don't know where these goofy traditions creep in at, but one of the goofiest ones is that Jesus and His disciples were poor. Now there's no Bible to substantiate that."
Was Jesus Rich
There are many today who are teaching that Jesus was rich. Jesus and the disciples were rich, only rich people could take off for 3.5 years. (Fred Price, Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/23/90)
Frederick K.C. Price states: "The Bible says that He [Jesus] had a treasurer-a treasury (they called it "the bag"); that they had one man who was the treasurer, named Judas Iscariot; and the rascal was stealing out of the bag for three-and-a-half years and nobody knew that he was stealing. You know why? Because there was so much in it, He couldn't tell. Nobody could tell that anything was missing..., if Jesus didn't have anything, what do you need a treasury for? A treasury is for surplus. It's not for that which you're spending. It's only for surplus-to hold it until you need to spend it. Therefore, He must have had a whole lot that needed to be held in advance that He wasn't spending. So He must have had more than He was living on." ("Ever Increasing Faith" program on TBN [23 November 1990.)
Among those who teach Jesus and the apostles are rich are Oral Roberts, and Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Hagin. John Avanzini attacks and mocks theologians for teaching that Jesus was poor. "I don't know where these goofy traditions creep in at, but one of the goofiest ones is that Jesus and His disciples were poor. Now there's no Bible to substantiate that."
Was Jesus Rich
Luke 8.1-3:
8 Soon afterwards, He began going around from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God. The twelve were with Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who were contributing to their support out of their private means.
I do not know if he was rich, but according to this he certainly was not as poor as you make him out to be either.
Before you open your mouth, consider the women in this passage and then ask yourself, were they poor?
8 Soon afterwards, He began going around from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God. The twelve were with Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who were contributing to their support out of their private means.
I do not know if he was rich, but according to this he certainly was not as poor as you make him out to be either.
Before you open your mouth, consider the women in this passage and then ask yourself, were they poor?
One former employee said, "The Copelands employ guerrilla tactics to keep their employees silent. We are flat out told and threatened that if we talk, God will blight our finances, strike our families down, and pretty much afflict us with everything evil and unholy. Rather, God will allow Satan to do those things to us because we have stepped out from under His umbrella of protection, by "touching God's anointed Prophet". Further, employees are encouraged to shun and treat badly anyone who dares speak out.” [29]
[29] Senate Finance Committee, Minority Staff Review of Eagle Mountain International Church d/b/a Kenneth Copeland Ministries. (Prepared by Lynda F. Simmons)
http://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/emic-copeland-01-5-11.pdf OR
http://finance.senate.gov/newsroom/ranking/download/?id=d12db357-ce3f-49f8-babb-4134ff994e50
Tele-Evangelist Lifestyles
[29] Senate Finance Committee, Minority Staff Review of Eagle Mountain International Church d/b/a Kenneth Copeland Ministries. (Prepared by Lynda F. Simmons)
http://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/emic-copeland-01-5-11.pdf OR
http://finance.senate.gov/newsroom/ranking/download/?id=d12db357-ce3f-49f8-babb-4134ff994e50
Tele-Evangelist Lifestyles
Just another sign that the end is near. God will send strong delusion that they will believe the lie. They will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. They will not endure sound doctrine.
Big daddy dollar going to take them to the poor house in a hurry. The cycle repeats itself. Just another in a long line of deceivers.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Big daddy dollar going to take them to the poor house in a hurry. The cycle repeats itself. Just another in a long line of deceivers.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
J
Cults usually have psychopathic, control freak leaders, and also shear the sheep for funding. There's always some lying doctrine involved, as they need a "product exclusive" to ensure having loyal customers: you can't get what they're peddling anywhere else. On purpose. A product exclusive is just "good business," to create a flock of chosen few, legends in their own minds. It tickles ears, appeals to egos. That's what that apostate comment of Dollar was about, denigrating the deity of the Lord Jesus. Notice how he went on to say all the other churches have it wrong? That was no casual comment. If people buy that, he has them hooked, clearly trying to plant the seed he has some lease on truth, which is always a lie.
