Daniel 12:4

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actually it could be argued that 1948 was not a fulfillment of prophecy,only a partial fulfillment if at all. Two main reasons:

Not all the land that God gave to Israel was restored to them and they still don't have it today. I believe a partial restoration of Israel's land does not count as a fulfillment of prophecy.
Israel has not had peace on its borders since 1948. I believe that's a condition of the prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled as well.
Read Joel chapters 2 & 3. Afterward you will come to an understanding that what happened in 1948 was indeed a fulfillment of scripture. In fact, in Joel 3, God warns those who have divided the land.
Feb 14, 2009
Actually Mohagony, the temple in Jerusalem is already being prepared for this time from what I have been reading, and seeing but in America it is not being shown in the meida, a peace treaty is in the works as we speak. This is not opinion, this is reliable fact. The argument is they cannot settle this on their own, and so we need to step in and help. Those who believe and are true Christians that follow Christ are feeling the energy in the air. Those who are not in Christ are blinded to all of it and brushing it off as conspiracy theories That is the deception of the evil one. Think about it? What else is Satan going to tell God's people other than a lie. He is the father of lies. He wil have us thinking the microchip is just something that needs to be done and to just ignore those crazy Christians, they are all whack jobs! I love this one "there have been earthquakes and famines and even worse than now and still Jesus has not returned, so come on understand, take the chip, you know you want some Doritos today", these are lies straight out of the pit of hell. As far as rapture, "there is no rapture in my opinion", there is a time where God's elect will be gathered up into the air when he returns, but those are for those who are still alive when he returns from what I am understanding. As far as a period of "come on ya'll no suffering for you cause you are Christians!" um... not from what I am reading in his word. I don't even find the word rapture used in the bible even once. It is a blanket of secruriy I believe was created cleverly by Satan so that God's people were not prepared for the final battle. God is speaking to his people like never before. God says he will come like a thief in the night, but he wants us to be prepared for the time period of his return which is now. 2 Corinthians 5: 5 is what I am feeling everyday.
Jan 8, 2009
Read Joel chapters 2 & 3. Afterward you will come to an understanding that what happened in 1948 was indeed a fulfillment of scripture. In fact, in Joel 3, God warns those who have divided the land.
Thanks for that. I was forgetting about Israels return to their land for their end-times judgement ( Eze 20).


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Jan 19, 2009
In this verse of Daniel my personal take on it is that the lord gave him the propehcies of what is to happen in the end, Daniel was told to seal this knowledge up till the end time was upon us, all people would understand that daniel had been given these prophecies, and many want to know just what that prophecy is and entails. Therefore many people will research, ask questions, do all they can to try and figure out just what might be written in those words.
It is just like what many have posted and shared on this website about end times, 2012, tribulation, rapture, etc. We are going to and fro trying to make heads or tails of these things, and in essence we are increasing our knowledge in this matter so that we can be prepared.

Daniel 12:4 But you, O Daniel, seal these words and be silent, and seal this book even to the time of the end; many shall want to know the end, and knowledge will be increased. (Ancient Eastern Text)

After verses 5-9 wherein the words daniel heard that he did not understand are given. Then verse 10 says....Many shall be chosen and made white and tried; but the sinners shall continue to sin; and none of the wicked shall understand; but those who have done good works shall understand.(AET)

My thought on this verse 10 is that it possibly ties into verse 4...Many shall want to know the end, and knowledge shall be increased. Is that those believers in the lord have sought out the lord and through much prayer, bible study, and belief. We understand what is going to happen in the end, do we know exactly? No. We do know that Christ is coming back and that is all we need to know. Many see possible signs all around us every day of our lives, however the sinners, and unbelievers do not see these things as we do. Some put it off as just the way nature goes, or don't even pay attention to the world around them and focus on just themselves.

These of course are just some thoughts of my own and i guess my own way of trying to increase my knowledge.

Lift up your faces to lord and smile because he sees our faces and loves us.


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Jan 1, 2010
Daniel 12:4 (King James Version)

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The part of this scripture that grabs my attention is "knowledge shall be increased." WOW, my parents grew up and lived in a totally different kind of world than we do. Little of the industrial revolution had yet touched them. Look how different our world is from 100-1960. I don't even try to buy the latest computerized gadget, they will be dinosaurs tomorrow. Visited NASA last year and viewed the control room for first Apollo mission to the moon. The monitors were huge! And that wasn't even the room that housed the computer mother boards (sorry, I'm not a computer geek). Anyway, the computers took the whole basement of NASA. The narrator said that our cell phones hold more information than that entire basement of those computers. My point is, knowledge has greatly increased and is moving faster than ever. Also knowledge has increased through the internet, and it is not just for a few languages but every tongue. We have become a one world language. Thanks to google translator we can shift to any language we are reading in to another language. Mind boggling, but yet a sober reality. The coming of the unsealing of the book makes a lot of sense when this generation reads the Word. In my parents day, there focus was on a wrathful God, fire and brimstone. Today, the focus has switched to a more cynical approach of the Word. It is being falsely preached (especially in the media) that there is HEALTH, WEALTH AND PROSPERITY promised in God's Word. Also the focus is too much on Charismatic...notably false prophets and something weird called "slain in the spirit". What has this world come to? So much confusion and seems everyone is certain of their interpretation of the Word. Personally, I have no desire to focus on is there a rapture, a third or fourth coming of Christ. Speaking to just rapture theorist, the pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib, REALLY can't anyone agree or is confusion the purpose of this rapture theory. I see all three positions as being legitimate and thus "no man shall know the hour or day" is even more confirmed through this Bible Scholars/Theologians teachings. Back to my point, one new world order, starting with communication, and the ability to "beam me up Scotty" travel is not that far fetched. After all, my parents never dreamed of communicating to anyone in the world at any time of the day and being able to see the person you are talking to. So what ever your mind can fathom of advanced technology, the truth is it has probably been around for 20 plus years before it is revealed to the general public. Get ready, more is coming. More weather phenomenon, more war, more famine (probably all linked to acts of God - ha Satan!) Anyway, the path is slippery but at the end the road leads to only two destinations and one eternal leader. Perhaps we really do know about the ONE WORLD ORDER - and it ain't nothing for us Christ-sons to fret over, but God says fear of the Lord is healthy. So fear not what the world is doing, but what is not in the world's control. Love the book of Daniel and Revelation, we get to know how the story ends.


I feel depressed:( as Christians, is it normal during these trying times to lose that zest for living? All I do lately is search for info via the net, my bible, it is really hard to pry myself from the computer just to get stuff done. I was able to fold some laundry, but then I am right back on! lol I have school Mon-thru Thursday, but today class is cancelled, poor me. I have a softball game on Thursday, thank God, but I mean, all I do is read all this info. This verse speaks to me, I am going to and for on the net.
Yes it is . The bible says blessed are the poor in spirit and those who are persecuted for my sake. Me and my twin brother are always depressed about the times we are living in it always seems like your not doing enough. Just remember the devil will use whatever he can to make you doubt your salvation or to make you try to think you can earn it. Be strong brother or sister we are all suffering with you. Gods family will suffer together as he did but they will also rejoice together and what a day of rejoicing that will be. It will all be worth it when we stand with our family before God in a place with no sin and true love uninhibited by the ways of this world.
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