Dates of Creation

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Searching4somethinglost

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LETS CONSIDER THAT IN 2 PETER WE LEARN TO GOD A DAY IS AS A 1000 YEARS AND VICE VERSA

now does it literally mean that, or does God mean since he is enternal 1000 years to us is AS 1 day to him (notice it doesnt say just IS)
 

pickles

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I believe this information is being withheld untill full disclosure. ie after revelations.

God bless, pickles
 
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Well yeah, we won't find out everything that we want to know till after we get into heaven. But untill then, It's still fun to guess. :p
 

pickles

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Well yeah, we won't find out everything that we want to know till after we get into heaven. But untill then, It's still fun to guess. :p
Amen to that doth!
smiles and God bless, pickles
 
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greatkraw

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Not sure about the actual "dates" of creation but the age of the Earth, possibly...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IQoLg7w-_4[/video]
yeah well i wont be going to the talbot school of theology
 
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greatkraw

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the bible account in genesis does not leave room for allegorising or converting 1 to 1000 or 1 to 1000000
you either accept the Genesis account or you discard the Bible
The ungodly spread their lies and there is plenty of evidence that they are ignoring the bleeding obvious in the geological layers and putting their own twist on what is found
 
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LETS CONSIDER THAT IN 2 PETER WE LEARN TO GOD A DAY IS AS A 1000 YEARS AND VICE VERSA

now does it literally mean that, or does God mean since he is enternal 1000 years to us is AS 1 day to him (notice it doesnt say just IS)

I SEE YOUR POINT AND AGREE

BUT
WE BOTH CAN AGREE THAT WE BELIEVE IN DINOSAURS
AND
WE BOTH CAN AGREE THESE WERE NOT MOST LIKELY IN EXISTENCE WITH ADAM
SO
THIS WOULD MAKE THE PRIOR DAYS OF CREATION BEFORE MAN
THAT THESE GREAT RELICS EXISTED

BUT
MY POINT BEING IS THAT
THESE CREATURES DID NOT EXIST, EVOLVE, AND THEN DISAPPEAR
WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD
OR
A 5 24 HOUR DAY PERIOD AFTER GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH TO MAN

I BELIEVE IT CAN BE SAFE TO SAY
THAT PETER'S REFERENCE HAS MORE THAN ONE DEFINITIVE EXAMPLE
 
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greatkraw

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#28
I SEE YOUR POINT AND AGREE

BUT
WE BOTH CAN AGREE THAT WE BELIEVE IN DINOSAURS
AND
WE BOTH CAN AGREE THESE WERE NOT MOST LIKELY IN EXISTENCE WITH ADAM
SO
THIS WOULD MAKE THE PRIOR DAYS OF CREATION BEFORE MAN
THAT THESE GREAT RELICS EXISTED

BUT
MY POINT BEING IS THAT
THESE CREATURES DID NOT EXIST, EVOLVE, AND THEN DISAPPEAR
WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD
OR
A 5 24 HOUR DAY PERIOD AFTER GOD CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH TO MAN

I BELIEVE IT CAN BE SAFE TO SAY
THAT PETER'S REFERENCE HAS MORE THAN ONE DEFINITIVE EXAMPLE
I would be happpy to accomodate you but God saw this coming

that is why He inluded

and there was evening and morning, one day

He put it there to show He was being literall

He could have left it out and given us latitude in the interpretation but He didnt
 
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I would be happpy to accomodate you but God saw this coming

that is why He inluded

and there was evening and morning, one day

He put it there to show He was being literall

He could have left it out and given us latitude in the interpretation but He didnt

BUT
AT THAT MOMENT
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT
MORNING AND EVENING DIDNT LAST A 1000 YEARS IN THE BEGINNING
AND THEN BECAME
A 24 HOUR PERIOD LATER

TO ME AND YOU A 6 DAY 24 HOUR WORK PERIODS
WOULD INDEED MAKE US REST ON THE 7TH DAY
EVEN THOUGH GOD WAS SETTING PRECIDENT FOR THE SABBATH
BUT
DO YOU THINK GOD WAS TIRED AFTER 144 HOURS...?
OR
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE HE RESTED AFTER 52,560,000 HOURS = 6X24X365X1000

WHAT IS LITERAL IN YOUR MIND
CANT FATHOM
WHAT IS LITERAL IN GOD's MIND
 
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Maranatha_Yeshua

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yeah well i wont be going to the talbot school of theology
The only problem I see with Dr. Craig's theology is Molinism, other than that he's one of the world's leading Christian apologist today.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#31
I would be happpy to accomodate you but God saw this coming

that is why He inluded

and there was evening and morning, one day

He put it there to show He was being literall

He could have left it out and given us latitude in the interpretation but He didnt
I agree. The plain meaning is the most likely reading. There is nothing in the passage to indicate that the day isn't a 24 hour day.
 
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greatkraw

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BUT
AT THAT MOMENT
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT
MORNING AND EVENING DIDNT LAST A 1000 YEARS IN THE BEGINNING
AND THEN BECAME
A 24 HOUR PERIOD LATER

TO ME AND YOU A 6 DAY 24 HOUR WORK PERIODS
WOULD INDEED MAKE US REST ON THE 7TH DAY
EVEN THOUGH GOD WAS SETTING PRECIDENT FOR THE SABBATH
BUT
DO YOU THINK GOD WAS TIRED AFTER 144 HOURS...?
OR
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE HE RESTED AFTER 52,560,000 HOURS = 6X24X365X1000

WHAT IS LITERAL IN YOUR MIND
CANT FATHOM
WHAT IS LITERAL IN GOD's MIND
i will grant that it depends on the earth rotating in relation to its source of light

would you like 1 billion years for each rotation in creation week?

but you do realise that then creates its own problems
 
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i will grant that it depends on the earth rotating in relation to its source of light

would you like 1 billion years for each rotation in creation week?

but you do realise that then creates its own problems

IF YOU READ CLOSELY
IT SAYS THAT GOD CREATED LIGHT TO DIVIDE DARKNESS
THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON ROTATION YET
FOR EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETELY DARK
THEN
GOD MADE LIGHT
AND AT THAT MOMENT WHEN HE MADE LIGHT IT BECAME MORNING
WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY
BUT IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE 4TH DAY GOD MADE SUN AND MOON
SO
WHAT WAS THAT LIGHT DURING THE DAY IN THE FIRST 3 DAYS
IF IT WAS NOT THE SUN...?
THIS WOULD MEAN THE EARTH HAD NO ROTATION YET
TO BE SUBJECTIVE UNTO THE SUN AND MOON
TO BECOME DAY AND NIGHT FOR FIRST 3 DAYS
SO THE CLAIM THIS WAS 24 HOURS IS INACRUATE
IT COULD BE AS IN GOD's TIME A DAY AS 1000 YEARS

AS I STATED BEFORE

YOUR MEANING OF LITERAL
IS UNLIKE
GOD's MEANING OF LITERAL
 
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#34
If a day was 1000 years, then we would be celebrating the Sabbath every 1000 years not every 7th DAY.

I can't believe how stupid some people are.
 
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If a day was 1000 years, then we would be celebrating the Sabbath every 1000 years not every 7th DAY.

I can't believe how stupid some people are.


ITS OBVIOUSLY CLEAR WHERE YOUR INTELLIGENCE LIES SINCE YOUR ANSWER SUGGEST YOU HAVE NOT READ ANYTHING BY WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED UP TO THIS POINT.

YOUR RESPONSE GIVES EVIDENCE TOWARDS YOUR AGE WHICH PROBABLY IS ALSO A CLEAR REFERENCE TO YOUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE.

DAY = 1000 YEARS IS 2 PETER 3:8
BUT
WE ARE USING IT TO CALCULATE POSSIBILITIES TO SECURE THE AGE OF EARTH

WHICH YOUR ANSWER SHOWS
PRECISE IGNORANCE CONSIDERING
YOUR RELATION TO THE SABBATH
AND ITS ROTATIONAL OCCURENCE
 
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Morning and evening is a 24 hour period. Sun rise, to sun set. It says the evening to the morning was the first day. There would be no reason why God could not make the earth rotate at the right speed from the start. Even if it did start slow and speed up, it would not take thousands of years. In any case, no where in scripture does it say you can take a day to mean 1000 years. But you probably twist this creation acount of genesis the same way you twist the rest of scripture because you have a spirit of error.
 
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Morning and evening is a 24 hour period. Sun rise, to sun set. It says the evening to the morning was the first day. There would be no reason why God could not make the earth rotate at the right speed from the start. Even if it did start slow and speed up, it would not take thousands of years. In any case, no where in scripture does it say you can take a day to mean 1000 years.

MORNING AND EVENING IN THE FIRST 3 DAYS HAD NO SUN OR MOON
THOSE CAME IN THE FORTH DAY
THE EARTH COULD HAVE STOULD STILL FOR THE FIRST 3 DAYS WITH NO ROTATION
SINCE
THE LIGHT THAT DIVIDED DARKNESS WAS NOT THE SUN
BUT OBVIOUS
THE LIGHT OF GOD
AND THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY LIMITED TIME PERIOD
AND GIVE AMPLE TIME
FOR DINOSAURS AND THESE RELIC WE FIND THAT DIDNT EXIST WITH ADAM
 
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It doesn't matter that there was no sun or moon, there was still an evening and a morning, there was a beam of light shining on the earth from one direction, leaving the other side in darkness. This was God's work light so He could see what He was doing. See Genesis 1:5:

God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.

It has nothing to do with the sun and moon or what the future source of the light would be. Light is day, and darkness is night.

The purpose of light shining on one part of the earth was to de-thaw it and get it to the right temperature for supporting life. The source of this light was God Himself (see Revelations, no sun is needed in the new earth). Then God created the sun, which I suppose was His first "hands off" approach to a self sustaining universe.
 
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HumbleSaint

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Not sure about the actual "dates" of creation but the age of the Earth, possibly...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IQoLg7w-_4[/video]

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Romans 16:18
 
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FROM MOHOG SNAIL
But you probably twist this creation acount of genesis the same way you twist the rest of scripture because you have a spirit of error.


THE SPRIRT OF ERROR WOULD BE TO EVER LISTEN TO YOUR ACCOUNT ON HOW TO TIE YOUR SHOES
CONSIDERING
NO ONE FINDS YOUR RESPONSES TO BE CREDIBLE
BUT RATHER
YOU HAVE BECOME THE JOKE OF MANY
BY YOUR LACK OF WIT