Depression

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Lecrae

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Is it a sin to be depressed?

I used to be going through depression, I've been out of it for a few years now but those feelings of depression have been creeping back ever so slowly in my life. I haven't found any Biblical reference to depression so I was just wondering if you guys knew anything about it.
 
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MaggieMye

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DEpression is OBsession with SELF. It is obsession with OPpression.

POssession of OBsession of OPpression is DEPression.
Yes, it is sin. Why? Becuase the focus is on SELF and not Jesus. Sometimes it is simply stinkin' thinkin' and the person needs to be retaught how to view themselves and the world around them. Other times it is demonic and the demon has access because of unrepented sin in the person's life. It can also be generational, having the iniquity passed down from generation to generation. Far too often depression runs in families. It is a twisted form of PRIDE in reverse. When a person has the stinkin' thinkin' for a long enough period of time, the demon that IS 'Depression' WILL come in and reside within the person because the door has been opened, unGodly thoughts and behavior have not been confessed and repented of.
Maggie
 
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Slepsog4

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Depression is an effect. It is not a sin although unrepented sin may be a cause. There can be any number of causes: poor diet, hormonal imbalance, sleep deprivation, etc.
 
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HornetFlight

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DEpression is OBsession with SELF. It is obsession with OPpression.

POssession of OBsession of OPpression is DEPression.
Yes, it is sin. Why? Becuase the focus is on SELF and not Jesus. Sometimes it is simply stinkin' thinkin' and the person needs to be retaught how to view themselves and the world around them. Other times it is demonic and the demon has access because of unrepented sin in the person's life. It can also be generational, having the iniquity passed down from generation to generation. Far too often depression runs in families. It is a twisted form of PRIDE in reverse. When a person has the stinkin' thinkin' for a long enough period of time, the demon that IS 'Depression' WILL come in and reside within the person because the door has been opened, unGodly thoughts and behavior have not been confessed and repented of.
Maggie
This is ridiculous. Depression is a medical condition that is no different than a broken leg. If you fell off a ladder would you only pray about it or call an ambulance? Seek medical help and don't be afraid to admit that you are having problems. Depression can also be a sign of other medical conditions such as lupus or hypothyroidism.

Please don't isolate yourself. There are other forums that deal with depression and there is help out there. There is nothing to be ashamed of if you have depression.
 
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Cleopas

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Saying depression is a sin is like saying diabetes is a sin, or any illness for that matter. See a doctor, mate. Like Hornet said, you would if you broke your leg. There's no shame in depression. I've suffered it many times, and I don't consider myself focussed on SELF.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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well if you mean depression as in suffering because of Christ, then no friend it is not




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DEpression is OBsession with SELF. It is obsession with OPpression.

POssession of OBsession of OPpression is DEPression.
Yes, it is sin. Why? Becuase the focus is on SELF and not Jesus. Sometimes it is simply stinkin' thinkin' and the person needs to be retaught how to view themselves and the world around them. Other times it is demonic and the demon has access because of unrepented sin in the person's life. It can also be generational, having the iniquity passed down from generation to generation. Far too often depression runs in families. It is a twisted form of PRIDE in reverse. When a person has the stinkin' thinkin' for a long enough period of time, the demon that IS 'Depression' WILL come in and reside within the person because the door has been opened, unGodly thoughts and behavior have not been confessed and repented of.
Maggie
Why not take the time and build up this young man in who he is in Christ and give him good doctrine that will edify him so that he can have God's thoughts and learn how to think with God. This young man needs just as much grace as we do and to hear the word of God that will quicken him in Christ through the Spirit. The blood of Christ has justified him from all sin. He has been given a gift of God's imputed righteousness as a free gift of grace so that he can be accepted in Christ. There are 7,834 precious promises of God that are all Yea and Amen, that when embraced will help him to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. He has been hid will Christ in God and he is complete in that position. God has not given him a spirit of fear but of love and of a sound mind.

His life is precious in God's sight because he has been redeemed by the blood of Christ. All of his sins have been paid for, buried and put away forever. This young man is a new creature in Christ and all the old things in his life have passed away and all things have become new. He has been born of the incorruptible seed of the word and born of the Spirit and nothing shall be able to separate him from the love of God as he grows in grace an knowledge of Christ. If he would cleave to these things that God has done and provided to him through grace and if he continues to build himself up in love and faith, he will not have time to be depressed because he will be occupied with Christ and following Him by faith. This is only part of our heritage as an adopted son of God.
 
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MaggieMye

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This is ridiculous. Depression is a medical condition that is no different than a broken leg. See Prov 26:2 If you fell off a ladder would you only pray about it or call an ambulance? You are equating EMOTIONAL health to physical health Seek medical help and don't be afraid to admit that you are having problems. MEDICAL heath is different from emotional health or mental health. Depression is an illness of THE MIND. Depression can also be a sign of other medical conditions such as lupus or hypothyroidism. Even so, Prov 26:2

There is nothing to be ashamed of if you have depression. This is true. Christians with depression need EDUCATION...SPIRITUAL EDUCATION

Saying depression is a sin is like saying diabetes is a sin, or any illness for that matter. Everything leads back to Prov 26:2 See a doctor, mate. Like Hornet said, you would if you broke your leg. There's no shame in depression. I've suffered it many times, and I don't consider myself focused on SELF. Really? what is the focus of your heart when you are depressed? Whom do your thought revolve around when you are depressed?

well if you mean depression as in suffering because of Christ, then no friend it is not WHAT???

Why not take the time and build up this young man in who he is in Christ and give him good doctrine that will edify him so that he can have God's thoughts and learn how to think with God. He never said HE was depressed. He simply asked if it was a sin. It is the result of sin and choosing to remain in it IS sin because it can lead to death and Scripture tells us to choose LIFE.

 
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Is it a sin to be depressed?

I used to be going through depression, I've been out of it for a few years now but those feelings of depression have been creeping back ever so slowly in my life. I haven't found any Biblical reference to depression so I was just wondering if you guys knew anything about it.
It is not a sin to be depressed.
 
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HornetFlight

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Medical health and mental health are not distinctly different. However ignorant you are on the subject you are eequally stubborn so I'm done arguing the point. OP feel free to PM me and I will help however I can.
 
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MaggieMye

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Medical health and mental health are not distinctly different. However ignorant you are on the subject you are eequally stubborn so I'm done arguing the point. OP feel free to PM me and I will help however I can. This coming from one who says their spiritual status is UNSURE, I'm sure you have not studied the affects of curses and how the spiritual realm works.

As a trained deliverance and spiritual warfare minister, I am not ignorant on the subject at all. Having said this, if anyone has questions that they would like privately answered, email me.

Maggie
 
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Slepsog4

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"deliverance and spiritual warfare minister"
Hmm! Strange, I can't find that in my Bible. Oh, yeah, it's not in there.

Some folks see demons under every rock.
 
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juliet84

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DEpression is OBsession with SELF. It is obsession with OPpression.

POssession of OBsession of OPpression is DEPression.
Yes, it is sin. Why? Becuase the focus is on SELF and not Jesus. Sometimes it is simply stinkin' thinkin' and the person needs to be retaught how to view themselves and the world around them. Other times it is demonic and the demon has access because of unrepented sin in the person's life. It can also be generational, having the iniquity passed down from generation to generation. Far too often depression runs in families. It is a twisted form of PRIDE in reverse. When a person has the stinkin' thinkin' for a long enough period of time, the demon that IS 'Depression' WILL come in and reside within the person because the door has been opened, unGodly thoughts and behavior have not been confessed and repented of.
Maggie
I think your opinion is extreme. Mental illness such as depression can sometimes be caused by sin, but not all are the same. The Psalms of lament describe the depressed feelings of the Psalmists which were usually no fault of their own. However, we do have Psalm 32 and 51 which clearly link the traumatic physical and mental symptoms of depression with David’s sins of murder and adultery.
 
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Is it a sin to be depressed?

I used to be going through depression, I've been out of it for a few years now but those feelings of depression have been creeping back ever so slowly in my life. I haven't found any Biblical reference to depression so I was just wondering if you guys knew anything about it.
Many people in the bible were depressed. They were people just like us going through problems.

The bible says we are to have a sound mind. Not a depressed mind. The bible says we are to have peace and joy. It doesn't say we are to be sad right?

There are things we need to learn. We aren't born knowing everything. We must learn.

Everything Maggie said is true.

But the good news is we can learn.

I spent many years in depression. I didn't know why or how but it was there. The bible tells us that Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy us. How can he do that? He can steal our peace. He can steal our joy. He's a thief. He's a destroyer. He destroys peoles minds and their souls and he tried to break down our spirits and of course he steals peoples health.

The good news is God came to set the captives free. The bible teacjes us how to live in Christ. The bible says we have the mind of Christ. We know Christ wasn't depressed. So we know we are not to be depressed. The joy of the Lord is your strength. Ask God to help you. He can deliver you from this. One thing is the bible says you must hold every thought captive. That's said for very good reason. The enemy will come and give you ugly thoughts. It's up to you with God's help to not let bad thoughts stay in your mind. This you do till the day you die.

Start saying good things about yourself. Study all the good things God says about you. When he made you he said it was good. You are the majesty of God. God has a good plan for you.

We are to be all we can be in Christ. God wants all goodness for us. He doesn't want us all depressed and sick. Even in the bad times God says we are to rejoice. As long as we live in this world there will be bad times. But as you learn more and more of God he can teach you that no matter what is going on you can be just fine through all times. This is something we learn. We are not born instantly knowing this.

So is it a sin to be depressed? Yes. God doesn't want us that way. God died on the cross for us. He took sickness to that cross.

You my dear child are in no way bad because depression has gotten onto you. God loves you so much. I have no idea how this has happened. Things at home what ever. It doesn't make any difference. You can right this minute say I am not going to be depressed ever again. I am a child of God. I am covered in the blood of Jesus.

God wants you to to have good health. Control your mind. Keep calling on God. Tell satan to get away from you in the name of Jesus.

Some people here don't know what they are talking about. Depression is not a gift from God. Is it?

You start a new life right this minute. You command depression to get away from you right now in the name of Jesus. Mean it! Depression has no rights to be in, on or around you. None. Don't put up with this. This is your life. Chose life!
 
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If someone is in depression then they cannot be led of the Spirit,for the fruits of the Spirit overcome depression,and if not led of the Spirit then you are not with Christ.
If someone is in depression,then they are not giving their life to God as they should,which is not right.

A person can mourn and be sad for a time,because of the loss of a loved one,which would not be considered depression,but do not let it become depression.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law(Galatians 5:22-23).


7For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind(2 Timothy 1:7).

22And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you(John 16:22).

6Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you(1 Peter 5:6-7).


28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light(Matthew 11:28-30).


17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost(Romans 14:17).

The truth is that a person who is depressed is not submitting to God.

9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up(James 4:9-10).


I do not look at this as depression.Depression is different than this.


3Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better(Ecclesiastes 7:3).

It is good to be sad every now and then,if it is a good reason to be sad,but steer clear of depression.
There is no reason to be depressed if you are with Jesus,for everything is alright,but it is good to weep and mourn in the right context,and then come back to peace and joy.
Jesus said He gives us joy that no man can take away.No matter how rough things are that joy will always be with us,so there should be no way to fall in to depression.
 
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ed

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Is it a sin to be depressed?

I used to be going through depression, I've been out of it for a few years now but those feelings of depression have been creeping back ever so slowly in my life. I haven't found any Biblical reference to depression so I was just wondering if you guys knew anything about it.
Hi Lecrae,
I posted these verses on another thread but feel they are also appropriate here. I hope you draw comfort from them.

Exodus 4:11 .... who makes him deaf and mute. Who gives him sight or makes him blind. Is it not I, the Lord. Now go, I will help you speak and teach you what to say." What a great way to have Moses trust in the Lord.
Paul was ill. No one healed Paul
Timothy was ill 1 Timothy 5:23 No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities.
Trophimus was ill. 2 Tim 4:20 And I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.

No one healed these people
Jesus was sick. Luke 4:23 ..... Physician heal thyself.
Exodus 4:11 The Lord speaking to Moses says it is He who makes men blind and deaf.

Acts 13:11 And now indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you and you shall be bllind not seeing the sun for a time. And immediately a dark mist fell on him and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had been done, being astonished at the teaching of the Lord.

1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged we are chasened by the Lord that we may not be condemned with the world.
Matthew 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you.
Matthew 5 same for the right hand.
My experiences is that we are His workmanship and He decides if the eye or hand or other illness is needed to KEEP us.

These scriptures agree with my teachings in Jesus Christ. See my earlier post "witnessing and university scholars"

Jesus was sickly.
Paul was sickly.
As were others mentioned in Scripture. Scripture has Paul calling on God to make a person blind. And the man became blind.

Don't bother taking any notice of these persons here who have twisted ideas on healing. Yes, you have been healed and that is healing from the consequences of sin. But God still "keeps" us safe and He uses many many ways to "KEEP" us, including illness. Ie if your right eye or right hand should offend pluck, cut it out. We are God's workmanship. He will do that for us if it is necessary to KEEP us.
Jesus healed because His healing was His witness. That is the reason Jesus healed.
Jesus said if you had faith as big as a mustard seed you could say to this mountain, move and it would move. Do you really believe that Jesus could move the mountain? I do.
But did Jesus move the mountain. No
why not?
Because it was not part of God's will that the mountain be moved.
Jesus did not use His faith to the limit of His faith. Jesus only used His faith in obedience.
To listen to the carping of these here who would destroy your faith is to listen to those who do not understand. They preach building faith to do your own will. Never do you hear these people pleading with you to seek God's answers. No , go straight to healing, because that is what your faith should do. They tell you that your faith is too weak if you are sick.
I ask these people , "could they heal Paul if Paul was with us? Could they heal the man struck blind when Paul called on the Lord to strike him blind. No
These people don't talk about discerning God's will. They seek glory for themselves, standing on a mound they made themselves so that they can take the high ground.
they lack understanding.
Please keep on believing and pray constantly and read scripture as much as you can. You will come through and be stronger for the trial. God bless you.
love
edwin.
 
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Medical health and mental health are not distinctly different. However ignorant you are on the subject you are eequally stubborn so I'm done arguing the point. OP feel free to PM me and I will help however I can. This coming from one who says their spiritual status is UNSURE, I'm sure you have not studied the affects of curses and how the spiritual realm works.

As a trained deliverance and spiritual warfare minister, I am not ignorant on the subject at all. Having said this, if anyone has questions that they would like privately answered, email me.

Maggie

Maggie,

I am going to keep this short as am a little frustrated by your own ignorance. I work with people who suffer from metal illness, including clinical depression. And for a long time held your point of view...if these people just made changes.... go for a walk, pray... change their mental state. Then this would cease. STOP thinking about themselves. I believe/d that anti depressants were/are over prescribed. And was passionate on the topic.

Last year for the first time, I myself found myself to be depressed. Severely. I did not want to see family/friends. And had I not known God I would have commited suicide. Working in the industry I made myself do all the things I preached to my clients; exercise, eat healthy, maintain social suppports... to no avail. Until my doctor diagnosed me with a serious hormone imbalance... Once stabilised I was back to my old self.

Moral of the story? Only God knows what going on. You have no authority (or enough knowledge) to say that depression is a sin or not an illness. To the young man asking these questions.... God loves YOU! You are unique and special. Only God has the authority to classify sin. And the best part... his amazing graze absolves it anyway!

"Come to be me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest" Matthew 11:28

This prayer is not originally mine... but have found solace in it...

Father, our faith rests in the finished work of Jesus at Calvary. Because of His tremendous sacrifice our sins are forgiven and a place is reserved for us in heaven. We also find rest from our unending troubles in this life as we respond to Jesus
 
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HornetFlight

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Maggie,

I am going to keep this short as am a little frustrated by your own ignorance. I work with people who suffer from metal illness, including clinical depression. And for a long time held your point of view...if these people just made changes.... go for a walk, pray... change their mental state. Then this would cease. STOP thinking about themselves. I believe/d that anti depressants were/are over prescribed. And was passionate on the topic.

Last year for the first time, I myself found myself to be depressed. Severely. I did not want to see family/friends. And had I not known God I would have commited suicide. Working in the industry I made myself do all the things I preached to my clients; exercise, eat healthy, maintain social suppports... to no avail. Until my doctor diagnosed me with a serious hormone imbalance... Once stabilised I was back to my old self.

Moral of the story? Only God knows what going on. You have no authority (or enough knowledge) to say that depression is a sin or not an illness. To the young man asking these questions.... God loves YOU! You are unique and special. Only God has the authority to classify sin. And the best part... his amazing graze absolves it anyway!

"Come to be me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest" Matthew 11:28

This prayer is not originally mine... but have found solace in it...

Father, our faith rests in the finished work of Jesus at Calvary. Because of His tremendous sacrifice our sins are forgiven and a place is reserved for us in heaven. We also find rest from our unending troubles in this life as we respond to Jesus


Katy,

Thanks for your reply. I work indirectly with those who have mental illness and unfortunately have seen the end result of depression too many times. You can't change a chemical imbalance with happy thoughts.

Let's not forget it is a 17 year old boy that is asking the question and we are adults and have a responsibility to guide him. So again, seek help whether it is your family doctor or a parent/pastor who can guide you towards the proper help.

As for my spiritual status, you're right Maggie. I'm still searching and I scrutinize the actions of "Christians". And don't assume because it says "unsure" it means "uneducated".

Anyway, I wasn't going to post again but I think it's important that Lecrae knows that there isn't anything wrong with him. You might be a negative thinker...you can change the way you speak to yourself. If it is something clinical, you will need help.
 
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Asgardian

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Depression is NOT a sin. As far as emotions are concerned, depression is (simplified for time constraints) just extreme sadness. Is it a sin to be sad? Of course not.

Not to mention, the prophet Jeremiah was depressed his entire life, and David was depressed quite often and he was "a man after God's own heart"!
 
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MaggieMye

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There is righteous sadness and demonic sadness. Righteous sadness is temporary and for a reason, like someone died...but still temporary.
Demonic sadness is without specific reason and does not leave of it's own accord.

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE because Satan is sneaky and loves that you think it is a 'chemical' imbalance that you have no control over. He loves that you justify being anything other than joyful as the Lord would have it.
Maggie